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iceman
01/06/2008, 5:15 PM
Drogheda on brink of total meltdown

Special Report By Jack White - The Mail on Sunday 1 June 2008.

AT 11.05 on May 26 last, the following statement was posted on the website of League of Ireland champions i Drogheda United FC on behalf of [club chairman Vincent Hoey and his fellow directors:
"On the 9th of June next, there is a vital meeting of Meath County Council to consider our stadium plan. The approval of the councillors is essential if the stadium is to proceed. The very future of Drogheda United is at stake. We have put all the details before the councillors and are confident that they will support the club. However, a few prayers from the supporters would be appreciated."
It was typical of Hoey. Reserved. Respectful. Regal. Understated too, it could be argued, but that's always been his modus operandi. Those who know him best will attest that, over the years, he's never been the sort to bang the drum or cry wolf.
Few, however, who picked up on the original statement (published again in last Tuesday night's match programme) fully appreciated the quiet desperation contained his carefully chosen words which fell some way short of articulating the real sense of turmoil currently being experienced by himself and fellow directors Chris Byrne and Eugene O'Connor.
Almost always positive in outlook, Hoey's "plea" merely hinted at the gravity of the scenario facing the club should the vote on the latest stage of their quest to construct a new state-of-the-art 10,000 plus seater stadium on the outskirts of the town fail to garner the required 75 per cent support of all Meath County Councillors when they sit in judgement a week tomorrow.
The message, however, is stark. The very existence of the defending League champions at a senior level in the game lies almost entirely in the hands of the 29 men and women who are due to consider a material contravention request for the rezoning of agricultural land to facilitate the project.
It's just another (and far from the biggest, it has to be said) obstacle in a convoluted and somewhat bewildering process for all concerned, but a thumbs-up will at least show progress, however small, and cement the future of the club for evermore.
Already, though, Drogheda are on borrowed given that a now dilapidated United Park falls well below the standards demanded under UEFA's licensing procedures. Their Champions League qualifying games will have to be played elsewhere and, with the possibilities for commercial development at their current Windmill Road base nonexistent, staying put is not an option.
Thus, the consequences of a no vote are unthinkable - and not only for Drogheda. A number of other clubs -including the big money investors at both Cork City and St Patrick's Athletic who are believed to have similar plans in the pipeline - are monitoring the current situation and. anxiously awaiting developments before considering their own options. Should Drogheda's project stumble and fall, few (especially in light of Shamrock Rovers' Tallaght saga) are likely to have the stomach for similarly costly and laborious campaigns with no guarantees at the end.
That Drogheda are now regarded so highly is remarkable turnaround in itself. Having narrowly avoided going to the wall in 2002, the Boynesiders emerged stronger than ever, determined the mistakes of the past would not be repeated. The decision was subsequently taken to leave United Park, develop a full-time professional club and establish it in a state-of-the-art facility replete with sufficient associated commercial ventures feeding in to ensure its sustainability long after the current board has departed.
It was a bold and brave move but, as the most ambitious and convincing business plan ever produced by a LOI club, a suitably impressed FAI put its full weight behind the project holding it up as the prototype for other aspiring members. (Indeed such was the comprehensive and radical nature of the plan, detailing as it did substantial job and tourism opportunities, it got an audience far beyond the modest League of Ireland community.) .
Four years since the process began and almost €10million later, however, Drogheda United are once again peering into an abyss and the FAI may have to look elsewhere for then-standard bearers.
Without some indication that then-ambitious plans might yet come to
fruition, frustration has grown to such an extent that Hoey, Byrne and O'Connor are on the verge of cutting their losses and walking away despite the thousands of hours, millions of euro and boundless energy expended in pursuit of a dream.
Regarded as the driving force behind the current move, Byrne (whose father, Paddy, 86, passed away on Thursday, 11 years to the day after his mother Alice) feels he can do no more. His exasperation reached its zenith in recent weeks to the point that he is no longer willing to even discuss the proposal either in private or in public.
O'Connor, meanwhile, is still recovering from a recent serious accident (he fell from a scaffold). Not a known lover of football despite his input, the down time has afforded ,him an opportunity to reflect on the past and contemplate the future.
Hoey, retired solicitor, lifelong fan and one of the club's founding fathers, will probably find it hardest to extricate himself emotionally, but, like his colleagues, he has over €3m reasons to do so at this point.
Remarkably, and for once, in League of Ireland terms, it won't be the lack of finance or ambition that will have thwarted the efforts of
those harbouring lofty ambitions. Rather, a combination of seemingly endless red tape and a not inconsiderable level of what has been described as 'disingenuous opposition'.
The club had initially attempted to pitch camp in its traditional heartland to the north of the river Boyne. But, despite whispered assurances of a positive outcome, they were forced into a rethink following a significant period (over 12 months) consumed by the ultimately futile pursuit of land purchase and rezoning amid rumours of broken promises and political interference on a number of levels.
Determined to press ahead, they turned their focus across the county line to Meath, commissioning an archeological survey of their chosen site (at a cost of €250,000). Once again, however, they've encountered resistance to the project on a number of fronts, not all of which can be said to be motivated by genuine or legitimate concerns.
So far, councillors have been appraised of the project in detail through information sessions and meetings with planners with another in the offing before the week is out. Some, though, are said to be still unconvinced of its bona fides.
Central to the apparent confusion is the description of the site area (carried on the council's website) as being 25.925 hectares (64 acres) with the stadium accounting for just over 20 acres. The balance, however, is easily accounted for in the four kilometres of link road, roundabouts and services between the Ml and Nl.
The planning authorities are satisfied with the. proposal and have already indicated that the project should get the green light. It remains to be seen, however, whether the councillors can be persuaded in time. While fear that Drogheda United will lose its benefactors and the town its club along with a substantial development grows by the day, Hoey, Byrne and O'Connor retain a modicum of hope it won't come to that. In the event of the unthinkable, however, there are few, if any, who will bear them any ill will given the unprecedented commitment they have shown the club since helping save it from certain extinction in 2002.
Their input, both practical and financial, at a time when the club just barely survived the latest in a seemingly endless stream of financial crises cannot be overstated. They've presided over a period of unqualified success (one Eircom League Championship, one Ford FAI Cup, two Setanta Sports All-Ireland Cups)... an impressive haul for an outfit with just one League Cup to show for its 40 previous years.
It had to end sometime, though. That they have persisted thus far is to be lauded but such support was never sustainable, regardless of the perceptions abroad. It doesn't help either that the uncertainty over the future also appears to be having an effect on the field of play.
Manager Paul Doolin all but waved the white flag in the club's League title defence following Tuesday night's home draw with Sligo Rovers amid tales of unrest in the dressing room, much of it (according to one playing source) linked to the apparent unwillingness to enter contract talks with up to 11 players until after the June 9 vote.
But while there is no question that the club won't see out the remainder of the current season, what happens after that is anybody's guess.
The chatter of "less than helpful" forces at work in the murky worlds of construction, local politics and with no little negative input from other vested interests has never been far from the surface.
As a result, there is now a palpable fear on the United Park terraces (such as they are) that a council with no real attachment to the club (or the League of Ireland for that matter) will be less than sympathetic to its plight and ultimately, if not intentionally, preside over its demise.
On the positive side, Drogheda Borough Council has been true to its word and rezoned United Park which, owing to its location, will fetch a pretty penny towards the new stadium. (Planning permission for 115 apartments and 20,000 sq ft of retail space has been granted in the past couple of weeks and although this will not proceed if the club does not relocate.)
Unless their counterparts across the river in Meath can also deliver, however, it will have been a wasted exercise, an expensive lesson and possibly a watershed in the FAI's hopes of ever developing a national league of stature.

Aaron
01/06/2008, 5:22 PM
I hope it dosnt get to the stage of Drogs going out of senior football. As much as I hate their style, they are a strong club and it would be a dagger to the town should they go out of senior football. Also he new stadium would help the LOI, I really hope those 3 dont pull the plug. Its worrying times though for Drogs fans:(

Buller
01/06/2008, 5:54 PM
No doubt there are a couple of GAA custodians on the council... It's a terrible position to be in; when it's out of your clubs hands. This is very important for Irish football and I really hope it goes through.

D.U.F.C Daire
01/06/2008, 7:11 PM
Club are extremely confident of it getting the go-ahead.

LeixlipRed
01/06/2008, 7:13 PM
Club are extremely confident of it getting the go-ahead.

Yes of course they are. If they were extremely confident would this article have been written?

DmanDmythDledge
01/06/2008, 7:29 PM
Remarkably, and for once, in League of Ireland terms, it won't be the lack of finance or ambition that will have thwarted the efforts of those harbouring lofty ambitions. Rather, a combination of seemingly endless red tape and a not inconsiderable level of what has been described as 'disingenuous opposition'.
Surely that is wrong. If Drogs don't get the go ahead for their new stadium are they not more or less gone because of finances?

Comic Book Guy
01/06/2008, 7:30 PM
A simple question here, if this was a GAA club looking to relocate would as much red tape/beaurocracy have been thrown in their way? I doubt it.

superfrank
01/06/2008, 7:46 PM
Planning permission, you mean?

Yes, GAA clubs are subject to it.

iceman
01/06/2008, 8:26 PM
The issue is not about Planning Permission. Meath planners have given it the thumbs up , its just a matter of the councillers agreeing to rezone the land. If that happens on 9th June then the County Manager will finally approve it.

Buller
01/06/2008, 8:41 PM
A simple question here, if this was a GAA club looking to relocate would as much red tape/beaurocracy have been thrown in their way? I doubt it.

And we all know the answer to that one...

higgins
01/06/2008, 8:44 PM
It would be great for it to get the green light but what's all the nonsense about the end of Drogheda if it doesn't ?
The three lads will stop putting in the money and the big players will move to follow the money elsewhere but why would Drogheda go bust ??

I thought the three lads were writing off the debt as they went ?

pineapple stu
01/06/2008, 8:45 PM
The article is basically turning up the heat on the councillors; it's political pressure.

A face
02/06/2008, 11:53 AM
Best of luck to Drogs on this one. Hopefully is all goes well.

Will the councillors give their reasons why if it is turned down?

BohDiddley
02/06/2008, 3:23 PM
No doubt there are a couple of GAA custodians on the council... It's a terrible position to be in; when it's out of your clubs hands. This is very important for Irish football and I really hope it goes through.
There was a report in, I think, the Meath Post, quoting, I think, the Meath Co. chair, saying GAA should have a piece of the action. Sorry for the fuzziness, but it's a bank holiday and I don't have the record close to hand. Anyone else?
Slightly more complicated than Tallaght, though. In this case any gallant Gael wanting to prevent the encroachment of the sacair into Meath will be able to point to the development plan and legitimate planning issues, and perhaps question whether the whole thing is simply developer-driven.
GAA doesn't need to rely on those kind of economics, of course.
Incidentally, why on earth has this been moved to the Drogheda forum?

Schumi
03/06/2008, 7:55 AM
How could the GAA look for a cut of a private development?

BohDiddley
03/06/2008, 2:58 PM
Privately owned, publicly sanctioned. You think they couldn't if they wanted to, in Meath?

pete
05/06/2008, 12:14 AM
Doesn't sound good as 75% is a lot of votes in bogball land which has no connection to Drogs. If it gets rejected what odds the area is rezoned & in the next county development plan?

A face
07/06/2008, 4:31 PM
What time on Monday can we expect to hear something on this?

ndrog
07/06/2008, 7:48 PM
prob be tues until we hear a decision as the meet is on mon nite .

BohDiddley
09/06/2008, 10:40 AM
Meeting agenda (doc) (http://www.meath.ie/LocalAuthorities/Meetings/MeathCountyCouncilMeetings/File,31859,en.doc)

TheBoss
09/06/2008, 12:42 PM
It says 18th June Now

http://www.meath.ie/ePlan40/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=SA70455&LASiteID=0

iceman
09/06/2008, 2:38 PM
Meath councillers voting on the rezoning today. Meeting currently in session. Decision due shortly after 4pm. If the rezoning is passed , County Manager will sign planning approval if rezoning is passed today.

Drogman.
09/06/2008, 3:27 PM
Re-zoning approved just now.

Full steam ahead for new stadium.

Massive news for us!!

thischarmingman
09/06/2008, 3:29 PM
Excellent news, congrats!

Duggie
09/06/2008, 3:35 PM
cool - any design pics of this stadium ? never actually saw any.

Boo_Boy
09/06/2008, 3:37 PM
cool - any design pics of this stadium ? never actually saw any.

http://www.droghedaunited.ie/news/single/id/1323

amaccann
09/06/2008, 3:40 PM
Congratulations guys; a hairy one for sure, but it's good to see it getting the go ahead - no excuses now :p

What was the ETA for building / completion assuming the go-ahead was got?

iceman
09/06/2008, 3:41 PM
Yeeessssss :d

Duggie
09/06/2008, 3:43 PM
http://www.droghedaunited.ie/news/single/id/1323

nice - pity the corners arent rounded but im been picky there !
this is the kind of facilities we need in the league if it is to attract spectators if u ask me. go the drogs !

Drogman.
09/06/2008, 3:50 PM
Congratulations guys; a hairy one for sure, but it's good to see it getting the go ahead - no excuses now :p

What was the ETA for building / completion assuming the go-ahead was got?

Well the planning application is to be decided on the 18th, so after that I'm not sure of timescale.

I wouldn't be surprised if at the latest it was 2011 that we get to play the first game there.

gufc4life
09/06/2008, 3:54 PM
hopefully ye actually get it bulit.! how much is it costing ye ???how much seat are in it ?

Magicme
09/06/2008, 3:58 PM
Whooohoo! Great news. Well done.

Flume
09/06/2008, 4:02 PM
Congratulations.Great news for the league.They are type of grounds we need.

iceman
09/06/2008, 4:15 PM
from www.droghedaunited.ie (http://www.droghedaunited.ie)
http://droghedaunited.ie/news/single/id/1341

all drogged up
09/06/2008, 4:16 PM
seats 10,000
it's a lego build apprarently in that it uses all similar parts no matter which stand is being manufactured. not quite pre fab but similar time benefits to pre fab .

bits are shipped in and slotted onto a foundation and pitch. construction happening as foundations prepared and then slotted together - I reckon completion a year after official go ahead so probably end of 2009 possible with 2010 the more likely. Sounds like a date from back to the future but really its the season after next. C'mon the super drogs

Lovin it except for three things
no terrace
it's in meath and
traffic issues may arise

it's free stadium though so eh.. Nice One!

Celdrog
09/06/2008, 4:18 PM
hopefully ye actually get it bulit.! how much is it costing ye ???how much seat are in it ?



The development consists of the following elements on a site area of c25.925 HA with a total gross floor area of c25,864.38 m2;
A 10,068 seat football stadium (including associated club, hospitality and ancillary facilities) with a building footprint of 1.981 HA and an external façade height of c11m above ground level (AGL) and four no. lighting columns of c35m (AGL);
A three story ;leisure centre with a floor area of 3390m2 and height of c14.8m (AGL);
A three storey (mezzanine levels) multi-plex cinema (with 12 no. screens) with a floor area of 4351.98m2 and a height of c22.5m (AGL);
A single storey (with mezzanine level) retail warehouse park that consists of 10 no. retail warehouse units, with a total floor area of 16285m2 a height of c14.10m (AGL);
A single storey motor service station compromising 4 no sets of fuel pumps, a canopy with an area of c344m2 and a height of c6m (AGL), an ancillary retail unit with a floor area of c214m2 and a height of c4.5m (AGL), a 47.5m2 floor area. Significant further information and revised plans, in relation to the application has been submitted.

From what I can remember its €11M to build, but I'm not sure if that's just the stadium. Stadium supposedly build in six months. No idea what the overall timeframe is but I'd imagine the ground will be first before we are thrown out of United Park.


There is still a month for objections .......

all drogged up
09/06/2008, 4:25 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/drogheda-to-show-way-with-new-stadium-115851.html

more accurate than my own memory - have a read!

Mr A
09/06/2008, 4:39 PM
Many congrats to Drogs- so what are the remaining hurdles to surmount before diggers can go on site?

CuanaD
09/06/2008, 4:39 PM
This is great news:)
delighted that Drogs have moved this step closer to their new stadium; sure its still a long way to go (ask Shamrock Rovers) BUT its a step forward (& many of us worried that MeathCC would block them at this point)


:ball:

CuanaD
09/06/2008, 4:43 PM
Many congrats to Drogs- so what are the remaining hurdles to surmount before diggers can go on site?
This is just the zoning issue,
now they have to get the planning permission
followed by the inevitable appeal to An Bord Pleanalla

possibly followed by recourse to the courts (although hopefully this won't happen THIS time!)

THEN FINALLY, the only hurdles will be finance & problems with the build/builders

kingdomkerry
09/06/2008, 5:22 PM
Well done

Greenforever
09/06/2008, 5:36 PM
This is just the zoning issue,
now they have to get the planning permission
followed by the inevitable appeal to An Bord Pleanalla

possibly followed by recourse to the courts (although hopefully this won't happen THIS time!)

THEN FINALLY, the only hurdles will be finance & problems with the build/builders


Planning has been granted already subject to the land being rezoned.

The council today voted to rezone the land.

Now it's only for the county chairman (i think thats the title) to sign it off.

Could be ready to go for next season.

It's as already said delivered in sections like mecano, just like the point village is being assembled.

It's built off site and assembled here.

All that is needed now is to attract 10,000 season ticket holders:D

Congratulations to all in the Drogs

Buller
09/06/2008, 5:40 PM
the only hurdles will be finance & problems with the build/builders

:eek: never underestimate... (I'm scarred for life for those hurdles)
Great news anyway...

deecay
09/06/2008, 6:02 PM
United Park is probley my favourite ground,gona miss the terracing

A face
09/06/2008, 6:09 PM
There is still a month for objections .......

Ahh, dont like the sound of that. I dont think i could be dealing with another long drawn out fiasco ala Rovers. Hopefully this goes smoothly.

If there is another GAA Thomas Davis type effort then the GAA would look very poor. But its only residents i'd imagine so fingers crossed it all goes swimmingly.

iceman
09/06/2008, 6:09 PM
County Manager has said that he will sign it off once todays vote was passed so Planning is a given.
Finance , partly from the sale of United Park , is in place.
Developer is ready to roll.
Only hiccup now could be an appeal to An Bord Planeala , that could push it back 6 months so would expect work to commence next Spring at the latest , hopefully sooner.

iceman
09/06/2008, 6:15 PM
Ahh, dont like the sound of that. I dont think i could be dealing with another long drawn out fiasco ala Rovers. Hopefully this goes smoothly.

If there is another GAA Thomas Davis type effort then the GAA would look very poor. But its only residents i'd imagine so fingers crossed it all goes swimmingly.
GAA county ground is in Navan , recently redeveloped and would hold considerably more that the new Drogs stadium. Nearest local clubs in the area would be St Colmcilles in Pilltown/Laytown and Duleek - cant see a problem there.
Possible objectors would be developers of a rival complex at Colpe , close to the new site , they objected/made observations at planning but their complex is due for completion in November 2008 so I would think it unlikely that they would get involved again.

Celdrog
09/06/2008, 6:56 PM
Nearest local clubs in the area would be St Colmcilles in Pilltown/Laytown and Duleek - cant see a problem there.
Vincent Hoey has already said the ground is for all sports - including GAA, although it will hardly be big enough for senior.

Celdrog
09/06/2008, 6:59 PM
Incidentally, why on earth has this been moved to the Drogheda forum?You do know what club the mods support?????

Greenforever
09/06/2008, 7:20 PM
Ahh, dont like the sound of that. I dont think i could be dealing with another long drawn out fiasco ala Rovers. Hopefully this goes smoothly.

If there is another GAA Thomas Davis type effort then the GAA would look very poor. But its only residents i'd imagine so fingers crossed it all goes swimmingly.


there are no residents!

Drogs are getting the stadium built by the developers in return for the developers getting planning for the rest of the site which has now happened.

It's going to be a complete new town with excellent access to M1.

The development at Colpe is flying along and will be completed by this November. Shannon homes are the developers and also have provided free playing pitches to East Meath United. Can't see them objecting, more they were using the inital objection for bartering purposes.

There is a residents meeting this evening for the Colpe development for an update, if I hear any comments re the stadium I will post later.