Drogs Stadium

[pineapple stu]

Congrats to Drogs.

What's the next step, objections aside?

[Celdrog]

there are no residents!
Drogs are getting the stadium built by the developers in return for the developers getting planning for the rest of the site which has now happened.

Not sure you are right there, the deal is the new stadium for United Park - that planning and rezoning was passed a couple of months ago. There has been no permission sought for the 5,000 houses, although it is in the county development plans (afaik)

Shannon Homes are the rival developer and the main objector (surprise, surprise)

[Greenforever]

Not sure you are right there, the deal is the new stadium for United Park - that planning and rezoning was passed a couple of months ago. There has been no permission sought for the 5,000 houses, although it is in the county development plans (afaik)

Shannon Homes are the rival developer and the main objector (surprise, surprise)


you could be right but my understaning is the developers who own the land for the new site were providing the land for the stadum and ancilliarys subject to them getting planning for the rest of site which has happened with the rezoning.

The funds for building are coming from the disposal of United Park which has also been granted planning. I think there are 2 sides to the deal but all has now come together.

Shannon homes own land heading down the Colpe road towards Mornington / Bettystown, I don't believe they own any land up towards the M1.

The're objections should be finished as their shoping centre will be open within a few months.

[eamoss]

Its good to see Meath will finally have a team in the eL :D

Na seriously congrats

One question though, is there only one phase or is there 4 phases like phase will be to build the main stand then once that is done the ground will be open and then later down the line they will do the other stands?

[Greenforever]

Its good to see Meath will finally have a team in the eL :D

Na seriously congrats

One question though, is there only one phase or is there 4 phases like phase will be to build the main stand then once that is done the ground will be open and then later down the line they will do the other stands?


No the stadium will be delivered in sections and clipped together like a mecano set :D see drogs website for pictures of stadium and link on previous page on thsi thread about the building company.

6 months is th etime frame for completion, the infrastructure will take longer

[WoodquayBoy]

Congrats, looking forward to paying a visit

[pete]

Would I be correct in suggesting the only possible objectors are another Developer who has previously objected? Were they using it as delaying tactic in the past but now they nearly finished their own development so development around new stadium not a competitor?

100% approval is a fair achievement in Meath. Congrads on the decision but that doesn't mean you'll be spared the Meath United jokes :p

[SeanDrog]

Would I be correct in suggesting the only possible objectors are another Developer who has previously objected? Were they using it as delaying tactic in the past but now they nearly finished their own development so development around new stadium not a competitor?

100% approval is a fair achievement in Meath. Congrads on the decision but that doesn't mean you'll be spared the Meath United jokes :p

About right there Pete but in this little land of our who knows when it comes to planning, I am fully expecting some form of objection leading to a delay.

There were other objectors to the orginal planning so they can all appeal etc.

Aside from that here is really hoping it gets past the next month as this would be a great development.

[bigmac]

Must be delighted with this now - am I the only one to have spotted it or am I miles behind the times?


SOCCER: Drogheda United have got the green light to build their new football stadium after councillors in Meath unanimously voted in favour of the €65 million development, reports Elaine Keogh.

The club hope to play their first game in the 10,000-seat arena in time for the 2010 season.

The club's grounds at United Park in Drogheda, which opened in the 1920s, are well below the standards accepted by the FAI and the club has had to play European matches at other grounds.

It's anticipated that European matches will also be played at the new venue. As well as the 10,068-seat stadium to be built at Bryanstown in Co Meath, a leisure centre and multiplex cinema are planned, plus a four-kilometre road linking the M1 to the N1, the former main Dublin to Drogheda road.

The 25-hectare site is on the southside of Drogheda and just within the Co Meath boundary and some 20 minutes from Dublin Airport.

To grant permission the county councillors in Meath voted to contravene the Meath county development plan. The site was un-zoned and is currently used for agriculture.

[Celdrog]

Must be delighted with this now - am I the only one to have spotted it or am I miles behind the times?

Its all in the Drogheda section mate

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=92951]

[Dodge]

You do know what club the mods support?????
Most one club news gets moved. Can't understand why people get worked up about it tbh

Merged the 4 recent threads into one.

[Buller]

Most one club news gets moved. Can't understand why people get worked up about it tbh


Because it's stupid to move it out of the main forum into a small section that most people wont see when everybody is interested in it...

[all drogged up]

the 5,000 houses and the DUFC complex are decoupled. He will build stadium etc. first and if it turns out later (after stadium is finished) that he doesn't get plan permission for houses then that's tough on him - but he'd be more likely to get plan perm for 5K houses if infrastructure in place beforehand. Still a one lane accees road for 5K houses and a 10K seater stadium even if it's yards from a motorway is a bit irish. Anywho

Most money coming from developer as FAI own most of United Park.

It's to be built in one phase - it's how they operate. the roof on each stand can be removed and a further tier inserted should we want to double capacity for example in a future bid to host euro champs etc. not likely but possible. It's the way forward!

[pineapple stu]

You'd need to triple capacity to host a Euro game (minimum requirement is 30000, I think)

[Celdrog]

You'd need to triple capacity to host a Euro game (minimum requirement is 30000, I think)What sort of Euro game?
A full qualifier will obvously go to Lansdowne but under-21 games will be fine

[Dodge]

Because it's stupid to move it out of the main forum into a small section that most people wont see when everybody is interested in it...

There's always redirects from where it was posted (and not everybody is interested).

Anyway back to the real point...

[pineapple stu]

What sort of Euro game?
A full qualifier will obvously go to Lansdowne but under-21 games will be fine
European Championships, as per all drogged up's post.

[Celdrog]

European Championships, as per all drogged up's post.Ah - no chance of it happening, though technically possible. Hosts must have at least 8 grounds with a minimum 30k capacity. They may choose to use more grounds with a lesser capacity.

[Greenforever]

Ah - no chance of it happening, though technically possible. Hosts must have at least 8 grounds with a minimum 30k capacity. They may choose to use more grounds with a lesser capacity.


Hate to say it but you're wrong on this one.

THey can use more stadiums but the minimum capacity is still 30,000.

[Juanace]

Talk about jumping the gun! Lets just hope the 10,000 seater staium is built then we can dream of the 30,000 capacity Euro Championship Stadiuj being built!!

[higgins]

So after June 18th if nobody puts in an objection you start the building phase ?

Is that right ?

[pineapple stu]

They get to the "finding the money" phase.

[Greenforever]

They get to the "finding the money" phase.

No they have to wait till the 4km link toad is built before they can start building according to the drogheda leader, this is to be approved by the NRA. Expecting this to get the go ahead shortly according to the paper, then the finding the money begins but I'm pretty sure that the funding is in place from the developers of the site.

[higgins]

A 4km has to be put in place before they can start to build ?

I guess you'll be in United Park for years to come then...
No way that will be finished anytime soon is there ?

Stu, any chance you might answer the previous questions I asked on Shelbourne overspending anytime soon ???

[pineapple stu]

I'm pretty sure that the funding is in place from the developers of the site.
By all accounts, a large chunk of the money is coming from the sale of United Park, which as far as I'm aware (and I may well be wrong) hasn't been agreed yet. It has planning permission alright, but I haven't heard of anyone wanting to buy it. Given that flats in Drogheda are going to become markedly less desirable as property prices fall and people in the likes of Drogheda, Gorey, Port Laoise, etc, move closer to Dublin, that's going to get harder (and the cash will get lower) as time goes by.

Usual question for higgins - what are you on about?!

[Bald Student]

Usual question for higgins - what are you on about?!Earlier in the discussion you claimed that Shels are still drawing down money on the sale of Tolka, he's asking you to produce some evidence of that.

[Greenforever]

A 4km has to be put in place before they can start to build ?

I guess you'll be in United Park for years to come then...
No way that will be finished anytime soon is there ?

Stu, any chance you might answer the previous questions I asked on Shelbourne overspending anytime soon ???


It would appear that the funding for the road is in place, in fairness to Drogs they seem to heve every angle covered and the stadium will be being built off site while the link road is built.

The link road is essential as I believe it goes right down to the Colpe Shopping centre due to open shortly. It is also essential for the developers to build the commercial aspect of the site, so it's not quite a case of the road being required just for the stadium. Also 4km of road from a greenfield site should be very straightforward, IMO.

Drogs reckon they will be in by 2010 and I'd believe them.

[pineapple stu]

Earlier in the discussion you claimed that Shels are still drawing down money on the sale of Tolka, he's asking you to produce some evidence of that.
That was four weeks ago on a different thread in a different forum?!

[higgins]

That was four weeks ago on a different thread in a different forum?!


So if I ask it now you'll answer it here ?

You don't seem to have noticed it in the other thread, otherwise I thought you'd have responded by now.

I suppose 4 weeks is not long enough....

[Buller]

He's just clearly wrong, didn't have any evidence and doesn't have the balls to admit it... just let it go higgins!

[pineapple stu]

Probably. ;)

Though I don't tend to go trawling old threads just in case people on my ignore list have posted questions four weeks after the event.

And in any event, I've as much evidence that Shels are spending their ground money still as higgins has that they aren't. And we know how accurate higgins' previous comments on the Shels issue have been.

Anyways, thanks for dragging this way off topic, higgins.

[higgins]

And in any event, I've as much evidence that Shels are spending their ground money still as higgins has that they aren't. And we know how accurate higgins' previous comments on the Shels issue have been.


More lies Stu,,, really you need to just admit you are wrong!

You did see the question in the previous thread and choose to ignore it of course. It was asked by me and aother poster and you replied a few times after without answering or explaining the lies you came out with.

What do you mean by you having evidence to our over spending or spending of ground money ?
I know exactly what money comes into Shelbourne and exactly what goes out of Shelbourne and therefore know you are making sh!t up.

You've been making stuff up about shelbourne for years!! You never know 100% of what is going on yet you jump into things without having the full and proper information.

It's an internet message board and I'm sure lies get told very often on here but your attack on Shelbourne goes back many years now. I'd just like the rest of the people on here to see you for what you really are, a liar!

[Student Mullet]

You've been making stuff up about shelbourne for years!! You never know 100% of what is going on yet you jump into things without having the full and proper information.That's true but some of the things he said about Shels turned out to be more true than false.

[higgins]

Predictions that Shels would blow up ?
Yes, 100% correct but the thing is a lot of Shels fans would tell you the exact same :) It was crazy what was going on,, and those who thought they knew part of what was going on found it was 10 times worse...

Stu states things as if they are facts.
I know from my own involvment with Shelbourne that Stu has lied on many occasions regarding Shelbourne. As the drama unfolded and Stu posted here on who was right or wrong and what those at Shelbourne should do, he almost always failed to take into account one or two facts that changed the picture.

Not your fault Stu but you should stop assuming what you know is 100% of the information

The current line about Shelbourne overspending today and spending money from the Tolka Park sale ??

Nonsense.

You've no idea what's going on and simply made that up but are not man enough to admit it.

[pineapple stu]

I know from my own involvment with Shelbourne that Stu has lied on many occasions regarding Shelbourne.
Can you point these many occasions I've lied?

Can you prove I'm wrong in this instance? It was on your forum last year, I think, that you were still spending the ground money (this after you'd gone tits up).

If you're going to accuse people of lying, you'd want to start at least trying to provide some reasons or examples.

[higgins]

Stu, do you honestly think I am the one who should provide the proof in this instance ?
The proof you would require is what exactly??!!

You lied that Shels are continuing to overspend.
I know Shels are not overspending this year.

Last season was different to this one.
In order to survive the club needed to service some of the debts we had, example might be the tax man or the crowd who look after our pitch or the FAI, ESB etc
Without servicing these debts we simply couldn't run a football club. In order to keep the club going we needed to spend more than what was coming in and more money from the ground sale was used.

Certain sponsorship deals were also tied up into 2 and 3 year deals and money from these had of course been spent early on. It's only this season where we have the ability to bring some money in through sponsorship.

This season what comes in is what goes out.
No overspending Stu!

You said in this thread http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=90147 post number 126
Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.

The onus is not on me to prove Shels are not overspending !!
You made the claim now either back it up with something or admit what I already know to be the case i.e you lied

[pineapple stu]

So you can't actually provide a single instance where I've lied, other than one instance where you can't prove I have?

However, this part -

"Last season was different to this one.
In order to survive the club needed to service some of the debts we had, example might be the tax man or the crowd who look after our pitch or the FAI, ESB etc
Without servicing these debts we simply couldn't run a football club. In order to keep the club going we needed to spend more than what was coming in and more money from the ground sale was used."

- may well be what was referred to on your forum, where I got my info. So we're agreed that you were spending the ground money last year anyways. It'd be a quite remarkable turnaround to have no debts to finance this year and, with a much increased wage bill, you're obviously spending more than last year (don't even try to argue that Philip Hughes is on less than John Brophy).

However, counter facts from yourself would be appreciated. Though I won't hold my breath.

[higgins]

You are lying now.
Shels are not continuing to overspend as your post on the 25th of May indicated.
What proof you require I don't know ?? The onus should be on you to back up your claims.
I know that Shels are not overspending which is how I know you lied.

I never said we have no debts, what I said was 'In order to survive the club needed to service some of the debts we had'. The word SOME is in there... All other debts will be serviced fully when the Tolka Park sale is complete. The debts that were serviced were ones that had to be serviced in order for the club to continue to trade, I've already given you some examples. In fact some of them were being serviced this year too but not costing as much has they did last year as we have dealt with many of them.

I agree money from the sale of Tolka Park was spent last season, without it we would have gone under!!
Not something I am happy with but something that had to be done in order to survive.

Here's another fact for you Stu.

Shelbourne FC are spending less in 2008 on players wages than they did in the 2007 season.
Our playing budget this season is running at about 80 to 90% of last seasons playing budget so come November we will have spent less in 2008 than we did in 2007 on the playing side of things.

[ndrog]

lads do us a favour and argue in pm,s os something please .Drogheda thread about staduim remember ? thanks.

[pineapple stu]

Here's another fact for you Stu.

Shelbourne FC are spending less in 2008 on players wages than they did in the 2007 season.
Our playing budget this season is running at about 80 to 90% of last seasons playing budget so come November we will have spent less in 2008 than we did in 2007 on the playing side of things.
Liar.

See? I can do it too.

Where are all my "many" other lies? Still waiting to see them.


lads do us a favour and argue in pm,s os something please .Drogheda thread about staduim remember ? thanks.
You're right (!). I've actually already asked for the thread to be split (and the rubbish binned). You'll appreciate I don't take kindly to indiscriminately being called a liar with no proof whatsoever. Is there a mod of the Drogheda section?

[higgins]

It makes no difference to me what section you want to talk about this Stu.

Facts are you stated something about Shelbourne and won't back it up. How about we continue in the thread where you came out with the lie ?

I provided a link in my last post.

[pineapple stu]

Not if it's going to continue with you failing completely to show that it's a lie, or show my "many" other lies.

[higgins]

What way would you like me to prove you lied ?
I know what's going on at Shelbourne this year and can tell you there's no overspending. You stated it as if it were a fact. A fact I know not to be true.

You have a twisted way of looking at things.
It's ok for you to state that Shelbourne are continuing overspending on the 25th May 2008. Yet I've to just come on here and prove they are not ???

If I said someone on here had 5 nipples, would he/she have to come on and prove that they don't ? Your logic is crazy!

Please back up your statement with regards to Shelbourne.
I know you told a lie so can confidently post here and call you a liar.

[micls]

Would ye not just take it elsewhere. Talk about highjacking a thread.

Higgins, whatever your problem with him can you not take it to a new thread or to pm. This thread has a specific purpose and being the ground for one of you and pinapples regular bitching 'You're a liar, no you're a liar' sessions, isn't it.

Can ye not let Drogheda enjoy their result without having to bring an age old argument up yet again about a club irrelevant to the thread.

[higgins]

micls, sorry about the thread hijack!
I did try to direct Stu back to the original thread but no joy there...

Anyway

June 18th today

Isn't this the last day for objections to planning permission.
Deadline of about 12 or 1pm isn't it usually ???

[Celdrog]

June 18th today

Isn't this the last day for objections to planning permission.
Deadline of about 12 or 1pm isn't it usually ???
No - permission granted today (formally). One month from today for objections

[higgins]

Another month to wait for objections!!

So what's happening at the moment with regards the new ground?
just waiting around or working on something ??

[iceman]

Heres the formal approval
http://www.meath.ie/ePlan40/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=SA70455&LASiteID=0

[amjl]

Best of Luck with it anyway, I hope it does get the go ahead. Keep them fingers crossed.

[iceman]

Full publication from Meath Co Council , including nice aerial photograph.

http://www.meath.ie/LocalAuthorities/Publications/PlanningandDevelopmentPublications/CountyMeathPlanningPublications/CountyMeathDevelopmentPlan2007-2013-Adopted/CountyMeathDevPlan2007-2013Variations/File,31943,en.pdf