The best programme

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by James
where do the rest of the proceeds go
tut tut so much for doing prog for the love of your club..student scum :D

That's ex-student scum to you!

Most of the proceeds go to Angels', the rest go to the girls of course!:D

[Macy]

Originally posted by max power
i think what macy is trying say can be put another way, new orders song blue monday was the biggest selling 12" single of all time , but they made no money because of the lavish blue vynal and the expensive blue velvet sleeve,
Actually they lost 30p per copy..... Good old Tony Wilson business sense!!!!


Originally posted by max power
i agree with macy, but he'll probably change his mind once he sees i've agreed with him. LOL
James you were right all along...

[max power]

still amcy it had been relased again since then and kylie used it too so over all it should have made a bit of money by now, but not for tony wilson or factory records......do you agree ??

[Countyman]

Originally posted by pineapple stu
What's the standard of programme like in the First Division like then? (Might as well get prepared...:( ) I presume they have to suffer somewhat from a lack of contributors and to a lesser extent from a lack of money?


Some first division programmes are actually very good.

Finn Harps - excellent glossy programme with good mix of articles and ads.

Dublin City - glossy but full of ads. Little content

Kildare County - Full colour, great new stats section, regular contributors plus the compulsory ads, very rarely has anything on the opposition...probably not our fault. Down to 24 pages from 36 last year i think?

Sligo Rovers - of a good standard with some decent emphasis on local soccer news

Galway United - haven't seen this years, last years was ok

Kilkenny - have none

Limerick - heard they had none for our game

Athlone - much improved from last years with new colour cover

dundalk - same cover for each game with sticker on front, no colour, cheap looking effort.

Monaghan - cant remember if they had one or not

Cobh - cheap looking with not much content.

Bray - haven't seen yet

[Macy]

I thought it was League rules that you had to produce a programme?

On New Order axmpower: Of course it's made money, but not on the format it was actually released in...

[NewDrogFan]

Att Pineapple Stu:
Just to set the record straight. I am the editor of the Claret & Blue Review - otherwise the Drogheda united Programme. The resaon that the UCD pen pictures were incorrect is very simple. OUR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FELL ON DEAF EARS :eek:. We had to resort to taking the incorrect and patchy information from your website.

Also could you get your facts correct - where does it say "Had of gone in" - Anyway where do you get off on correcting grammer - if you want to do something useful may I suggest that you sort out your own pamphlet - sorry programme - Even your stadium announcer had to correct the errors that your programme had - and not because you had downloaded wrong information from our website

For anyone requiring information of any Drogheda United player - contact our offices at (041) 9802702

[The Donie Forde]

Originally posted by NewDrogFan
Att Pineapple Stu:

For anyone requiring information of any Drogheda United player - contact our offices at (041) 9802702

As the editor of City Edition we included NO Drogs penpix in our last issue as we received NO reply from (a) Drogheda United FC and (b) North East printers, where I had earlier in the season been requested to send CCFC penpix. I did oblige on that occasion, my gesture was NOT reciprocated, unfortunately.

Just to set the record straight, like.

Donie

[pete]

Originally posted by Macy
I thought it was League rules that you had to produce a programme?

Yup unless they also changed that rule i think all clubs have to produce a programme (minimum of a team sheet or something) as part of the league membership.

[NewDrogFan]

Donie Forde.

Our apologize for that. As I said if you contact our commercial offices in future we will be more then happy to oblige. When I contacted you earlier this year you were more then helpful with your assistance.

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by NewDrogFan
Att Pineapple Stu:
Just to set the record straight. I am the editor of the Claret & Blue Review - otherwise the Drogheda united Programme. The resaon that the UCD pen pictures were incorrect is very simple. OUR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FELL ON DEAF EARS :eek:. We had to resort to taking the incorrect and patchy information from your website.

Also could you get your facts correct - where does it say "Had of gone in" - Anyway where do you get off on correcting grammer - if you want to do something useful may I suggest that you sort out your own pamphlet - sorry programme - Even your stadium announcer had to correct the errors that your programme had - and not because you had downloaded wrong information from our website

For anyone requiring information of any Drogheda United player - contact our offices at (041) 9802702

New Drog Fan - Who exactly did you e-mail about the pen pictures? Shels e-mailed the club and it was forwarded to me, so I can only imagine that if you did that, I would have gotten it and sent you the info. I e-mailed all clubs with addresses I had to hand - most got back very promptly.

I personally e-mailed Drogheda for our league game two weeks before the Cup game about the pen pictures from the official website - I was aware that they were out of date (and ridiculously so!), so I got in touch about them. I was just told that I could take them and that they were out of date. No attempt was made to say a) where they were out of date; b) who had left or come since or c) to provide up-to-date pen pictures. The squad we were left with from the website then went into the team line-outs in the programme. As they were over a year old - with, as you just denied, wrong information downloaded from your website - there were obviously errors. In my view, this is Drogheda's fault, not ours as we contacted you and received minimal assistance.

Having been in touch with you so soon before the game, there was no excuse for you not to reply to us asking for pen pictures. You quite obviously didn't "have to resort" to our website, and with a bit more care, you would have seen that the pen pictures were out of date and could have got back in touch with us (apparently Robbie Martin scored a hat-trick against Monaghan in the league this season!!). I'm open to correction here, but although our official website isn't very well maintained, I seriously doubt if Pat Jennings' profile begins with Barry Ryan's old profile, as it did in your programme!!! You also had our programme - on the first page is an e-mail address to contact us! Did you do this either? No! Maybe you could enlighten us further as to where you did get the pen pictures from? Needless to say, no source was credited!

As for getting my facts correct - check Harry McCue's column - second row, where it uses the term "had of".

As for our "pamphlet - sorry, programme", I would much sooner pay €2 for our programme which has, by and large, what we call "layout" and "content" rather than pay €2 for yours, which had innumerable typos, very little content (manager's column, sundry stats - possibly taken directly from the internet and some patently wrong - an editor's note making reference to an article which wasn't included and the rest ads). Many errors would have been spotted by proof reading - such as the comment that Brazil are the only country to have been in all 11 World Cups since the series started in 1950! :eek: The stats page in the centrefold was half-complete - matches listed with no line-outs or line-outs with no matches in most cases! Not even the Second Round Cup game was updated - in fact, the fact that you were playing Harps wasn't even included!

The Drogheda programme seems to be first and foremost a money-spinner for the club - fair enough. But a) there must surely be some minimum content to justify charging €2 for what is otherwise just coloured paper and b) if you are going to try and defend what really was an indefensibly poor and inaccurate programme, you surely should "check your facts first"!

I await your reply with interest!

[John83]

Originally posted by NewDrogFan
Att Pineapple Stu:
...The resaon (sic.) that the UCD pen pictures were incorrect is very simple. OUR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FELL ON DEAF EARS :eek:. We had to resort to taking the incorrect and patchy information from your website.

...if you want to do something useful may I suggest that you sort out your own pamphlet - sorry programme - Even your stadium announcer had to correct the errors that your programme had - and not because you had downloaded wrong information from our website...

Interesting that the people who gave no penpics to UCD or to Cork then turn around to snap at UCD for the same thing. Yes, our fans website is totally out of date (we can't update it because of a Computer Services ****-up), but there's hardly a probem contacting us. Schumi and Pinapple Stu are the guys to talk to if you need information, and they're very quick to reply to emails.

What exactly makes it a "pamphlet" of a newsletter?
Would you like me to be pedantic? A "pamphlet" is defined as
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An unbound printed work, usually with a paper cover.
A short essay or treatise, usually on a current topic, published without a binding.
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In other words, every program in the league is a "pamphlet" since none of them are, to my knowlege, bound.

The "errors" that Michael, our announcer, pointed out, were on the crappy teamsheet we had to scrounge from your website on receipt of exactly no information from you lot.

Thanks for your time.

[The Donie Forde]

Originally posted by NewDrogFan
Donie Forde.

Our apologize for that. As I said if you contact our commercial offices in future we will be more then happy to oblige. When I contacted you earlier this year you were more then helpful with your assistance.

Thanks, NDF. Must admit I was a bit surprised when nothing came back from yourself/DUFC, but maybe the message wasn't passed on due to bad vibes between the clubs??

Anyway, I'll be glad to help out next time City visit O2P. Here's to better relations all round in future, eh!

Donie

[The Donie Forde]

..maybe any prog eds posting here could p/m me (or someone who would like to volunteer!) and I'll compile a list of contacts that will benefit all of us.

At the end of the day, Brian, we'll all have better productions if we co-operate. I suggest we do that early doors...though I'm unlikely to reply for a while as I've got a prog on hands this week and just got landed for the Davenport job also...

Squabbling will solve nothing - let's leave that to the FCs ;)

Donie

[James]

Originally posted by The Donie Forde
.At the end of the day, Brian, we'll all have better productions if we co-operate.

who's brian? :p

[TommyT]

Don't know who I voted for originally but having seen them all it's be Cork first, Derry a close second, and Pats best of the rest.

[The Donie Forde]

Originally posted by James
who's brian? :p

over the moon...
sick as a parrot...
early doors...
end of the day, Brian...

Essential soccerisms for those of us raised on MOTD videos in the Flower Lodge Social Club. Getting old, I am, and anyone that understands me...
Apologies to the younger generation(s).

Donie

[James]

no need to apologise donie
just maybe stay off the drink when you're near a computer

[Dr.Nightdub]

I don't usually buy programmes at away matches (the usual reason, most of what's in it is of interest to home fans only). But after reading this thread during the week, I copped a look at Dodge's on the bus on the way home.

I gotta say, it's a superb piece of work. The size is a bit weird, but the layout, legibility and general interesting-content level are all top notch. Fair play to all concerned.

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by Dr.Nightdub
The size is a bit weird

Didn't youz have an A4 programme as well though?!

[joe]

City's is B5 now

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by joe
City's is B5 now

B5??

I presume that's somewhere between A4 and A5?

[joe]

yep, slightly bigger than A5. think Bohs are B5 too???

[CollegeTillIDie]

I have seen a number of issues from clubs other than my own.
Cork City's B5 is bloody marvellous! it is by far the best publication in the Premier Division. It has content as well as presentation, substance as well as style.
Our programme in UCD has a lot of content and is produced within the constraints of a tight budget and the proviso that it is not to lose the club any money. As such it is a good read, which can be needed if the fare on offer on the pitch is not the mae west!

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by joe
yep, slightly bigger than A5. think Bohs are B5 too???

Ah right, cheers!

Think Bohs and Drogs would be B5 then as well.

You learn something new every day!

[John83]

Went to Bohs-UCD on Friday. Program was, to put it mildly, ****e.

About thirty pages in all. 23 pages of ads, an editorial of sorts, 2 pages on their U16s and a 4-page interview with Simon Webb.

On the other hand, it was glossy...:rolleyes:

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by pineapple stu
I await your reply with interest!

Hmmm...a week later and nothing! What a brilliantly professional club...:rolleyes:

[pete]

CCFC programme gets better every time i see it. By far best programme ever to grace the eL. Hope the sales are good enough to justify the expense.

Isn't far off the quality of the internationla matches at Lansdowne & certainly better than any GAA programmes i've seen this year.

[The Donie Forde]

Originally posted by pete
CCFC programme gets better every time i see it. By far best programme ever to grace the eL. Hope the sales are good enough to justify the expense.

Isn't far off the quality of the internationla matches at Lansdowne & certainly better than any GAA programmes i've seen this year.

Thanks, pete.
We've got it down to a more comfortable size, and knocked a lot of the little glitches out of the presentation, so it's fairly smooth now.
I think the copy is a decent standard and the articles varied, the pix and graphics top notch. Could always be better no matter what standard you actually hit, of course, but we are well pleased with what we've got right now.
Gotta admit there's a lotta work in it, but the last 1 sold out which is rewarding, the first to s/o since Bohs earlier in the season.
IMO, it could be better supported - selling about 1 per 4-5 people incoming. Acceptable norm would be 1 in 3, so we've a way to go there. Guess old habits die hard with some people... :(

BTW, there are back issues available in the Programme Cabin at home games, or in the Club Shop during office hours if you wanna get that 1 you missed out on or would just like to sample what's on offer. Buying the programme = another way of supporting the club.

Donie