Conspiracy theories that turned out to be true?

[anto1208]

In the wake of Jim Corr's radio rant which i dont believe ( i dont belive the official account either) i think some where in between the two stories lies the truth. But what annoyed me was the amount of people that just brush it off as just wrong and the presenters ( ray darcy in paticular) that knew nothing on the subject where still dissmissing him as a loon.

What i was wondering was was there any big conspiracy theory that years later was true and prooven alll the Loons where right.

I guess smoking causing lung cancer would be a big one.

[Lionel Ritchie]

In the wake of Jim Corr's radio rant which i dont believe ( i dont belive the official account either) i think some where in between the two stories lies the truth. But what annoyed me was the amount of people that just brush it off as just wrong and the presenters ( ray darcy in paticular) that knew nothing on the subject where still dissmissing him as a loon.

What i was wondering was was there any big conspiracy theory that years later was true and prooven alll the Loons where right.

I guess smoking causing lung cancer would be a big one.

what's the story there?

[Wolfie]

what's the story there?

Jim Corr subscribes to the conspiracy theory that 9/11 was a "False Flag" operation. In summary - the American Government carried it out and created the illusion it was Terrorists.

[jmurphyc]

Jim Corr subscribes to the conspiracy theory that 9/11 was a "False Flag" operation. In summary - the American Government carried it out and created the illusion it was Terrorists.

I've wondered about that for a while. I don't think it's true but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was.

[gilberto_eire]

I've wondered about that for a while. I don't think it's true but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was.

Having examined several documentaries about it i'd have to say i agree with Jim.
There's at least 50 things to say the offical report's are flawed, but little to back them up.
One simple thing to point out is the ''911 commissions report'' the commissioners appointed all had close ties to the Republican party and never any serious questions were asked even against the wishes of the victim's families, the report was a joke and never asked any real questions on the matter!.

I don't see how anyone could examine all the evidence and disregard it as coincidance

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CCtb9nlV_20

Here is George Bush saying he saw the first plane hit even though it was never televised, it was only captured by the French documentary makers who were with the fire department that day.

Jim Corr is'nt a loon like the papers made him out to be, quite the opposite, only a loon would disregard all the evidence and take the story for how it was told to us that day!!.

For anyone who has'nt watched too much on it i'd recommend the ''Loose Change 2nd edition'' as the definitive guide to all you need to know, it has everything, if you want a link PM me!!

On a side note i think the JFK one too was definitely a hit by the CIA, the ''Magic Bullet'' is the damming piece of evidence here against the offical account.

They are'nt ''Conspiracys'' it's just the American's have'nt been very good at covering there tracks and left too much evidence for any intellectual person to believe!.
But the main thing is the majority of people believe the actual accounts as they never look into them properly and that's all that matters in the long-run.

[forza rovers]

also they way they fell as if they were being demolished

[anto1208]

The problem with some of those documentaries is they go too far that whole thing about the jet fuel wouldn’t melt steel is true but it is hot enough for it to lose 60% of its strength
Add that with a massive impact and the building would collapse.
But when you look at the fire its clear to see its only on one side so it would be safe to assume the top would fall on that side not straight down as it did. The building may continue to fall straight but its such a fluke that it wouldn’t happen twice with two buildings right next to each other.

Then on the other side you have the government which named 15 highjackers on board the flights even though they didnt appear on any flight lists and 8 turned up alive in the weeks after !!!!

When you see operation Northwoods which was a plan by the American government to generate support for military action against cuba by attacking US military or civilian locations. Anything is possible which is why it annoys me that people think they wouldn’t do it. Im not saying they did im saying I wouldn’t put it past them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[skitz3]

Jim Corr is a raving mad lunatic and anyone who thinks he's talking sense is an idiot.

[superfrank]

I guess smoking causing lung cancer would be a big one.
Do you mean to say smoking doesn't cause lung cancer?

[oldyouth]

Jim Corr is a raving mad lunatic and anyone who thinks he's talking sense is an idiot.
I agree. He spent too many of his teenage years playing in his sister's laundry basket. I think it sent him over the edge

[John83]

Jim Corr subscribes to the conspiracy theory that 9/11 was a "False Flag" operation. In summary - the American Government carried it out and created the illusion it was Terrorists.
I thought he'd claimed the Lisbon Treaty was another step on the road to the single world government when the illuminati will enslave us all. Or something.

Anyway, given what happened to the last 9/11 conspiracies thread, I'd tread carefully here folks. Dahamsta doesn't need any grassy knolls. ;)

Evidence of the link between smoking and lung cancer was certainly covered up by Big Tobacco. I don't know if it was common knowledge at the time that some loons were trying to do down nice healthy cigarettes with crazy talk of the 'long illness'. I suspect not.

[pineapple stu]

Do you mean to say smoking doesn't cause lung cancer?
I assume he means that smoking causing lung cancer was long thought a crackpot conspiracy theory until it was proven true.

[Rovers fan]

Do you mean to say smoking doesn't cause lung cancer?

no he means it does cause lung cancer

[superfrank]

Sorry, too young to rememer that.

[jebus]

Anyone else not care if it was the Taliban or the American government who knocked the WTC? One's a douche and the other's a turd sandwich (to reference South Park) in my eyes. True Americans killing other Americans for profit (didn't happen in my opinion)would shock the world in the week before Angelina Jolie announces her next pregnancy, but we couldn't say we were ignorant of the fact that American oil and weapons merchants were anything other than warts on the anus of humanity. If we, and the American people, really cared we could find out what happened, or we could change any number of things that are wrong in this world, but we won't, because quite simply we'd rather be watching Lost, drinking a €5 cup of coffee, and complaining about how there's nothing on TV anymore and this coffee just isn't that good.

[jmurphyc]

If we, and the American people, really cared we could find out what happened, or we could change any number of things that are wrong in this world, but we won't, because quite simply we'd rather be watching Lost, drinking a €5 cup of coffee, and complaining about how there's nothing on TV anymore and this coffee just isn't that good.

Hey, just because you're apathetic you can't paint everyone with the same brush. I make my own coffee FFS.

[Student Mullet]

Evidence of the link between smoking and lung cancer was certainly covered up by Big Tobacco. I don't know if it was common knowledge at the time that some loons were trying to do down nice healthy cigarettes with crazy talk of the 'long illness'. I suspect not.

The story is much more interesting than that if you read up on it. The link was first proven by the Nazis and the western countries didn't accept it as true.

[deecay]

Anyone else care if it was the Taliban or the American government who knocked the WTC? One's a douche and the other's a turd sandwich (to reference South Park) in my eyes. True Americans killing other Americans for profit (didn't happen in my opinion)would shock the world in the week before Angelina Jolie announces her next pregnancy, but we couldn't say we were ignorant of the fact that American oil and weapons merchants were anything other than warts on the anus of humanity. If we, and the American people, really cared we could find out what happened, or we could change any number of things that are wrong in this world, but we won't, because quite simply we'd rather be watching Lost, drinking a €5 cup of coffee, and complaining about how there's nothing on TV anymore and this coffee just isn't that good.
Ha,good post

[anto1208]

Do you mean to say smoking doesn't cause lung cancer?

I mean that at one stage that theory was dissmissed as ramblings from a few "loons" but was proven to be true.

Was thinking if any others had turned out like that.Not too interested in current ones being disscussed as it will go around in circles and get no where fast.

[Bald Student]

I mean that at one stage that theory was dissmissed as ramblings from a few "loons" but was proven to be true.

Was thinking if any others had turned out like that.Not too interested in current ones being disscussed as it will go around in circles and get no where fast.
If you're going to include the link between smoking and cancer you'll probably have to include a lot of science. The notion that the earth orbits the sun was quite controversial in its day.

[OwlsFan]

People will believe any sort of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 on is so unbelievavle you have to be really paranoid to believe it. The number of American citizens that would have to be involved to carry out the attack on their own country would run in to hundreds. Then you'd have to find more lunatics to fly the planes in to the buildings etc etc.

The fact is NO CONSPIRACY THEORY has ever proven to be correct, except perhaps the Nazis staging their own attack on the radio station and which was allegedly by the Poles to start WW2.

You've either a predisposition to believing these things or you don't. Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK and the latter murdered Marlyn Monroe and the Queen Mother killed Diana :rolleyes:

[anto1208]

People will believe any sort of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 on is so unbelievavle you have to be really paranoid to believe it. The number of American citizens that would have to be involved to carry out the attack on their own country would run in to hundreds. Then you'd have to find more lunatics to fly the planes in to the buildings etc etc.

The fact is NO CONSPIRACY THEORY has ever proven to be correct, except perhaps the Nazis staging their own attack on the radio station and which was allegedly by the Poles to start WW2.

You've either a predisposition to believing these things or you don't. Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK and the latter murdered Marlyn Monroe and the Queen Mother killed Diana :rolleyes:

This is the responce ive been talking about it even includes the rolling eyes to heaven There are plenty of theories that turned out to be true ill post some up later i found last night watergate for example as mentioned smoking was a massive cover up. WMD's in Iraq , Nazi's final solution .............

People that believe these things arent paranoid they just dont believe what a proven bunch of liars are telling them.

And no one found that white fiat uno when Diana died maybe the queen mum was driving it :D

[jebus]

WMD's in Iraq , Nazi's final solution .............


How in the name of God are those two conspiracy theories? One was an excuse for war that we all saw through from day one, the other was a slaughter none of us knew about until after the Allies had rolled through Germany

[paul_oshea]

People will believe any sort of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 on is so unbelievavle you have to be really paranoid to believe it. The number of American citizens that would have to be involved to carry out the attack on their own country would run in to hundreds. Then you'd have to find more lunatics to fly the planes in to the buildings etc etc.

The fact is NO CONSPIRACY THEORY has ever proven to be correct, except perhaps the Nazis staging their own attack on the radio station and which was allegedly by the Poles to start WW2.

You've either a predisposition to believing these things or you don't. Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK and the latter murdered Marlyn Monroe and the Queen Mother killed Diana :rolleyes:

hmm interesting, and why then do you only beleive the Nazis one? I think that says a lot in itself...

[anto1208]

How in the name of God are those two conspiracy theories? One was an excuse for war that we all saw through from day one, the other was a slaughter none of us knew about until after the Allies had rolled through Germany



The Us government said there was WMD's so they where going to war , the people said no you are lying there isnt your using it to cover up your real reason for going to war ! thats a conspiracy

the death camps were known about people had escaped and told about them but it wasnt believed. Do you really think not one person ever talked about it before the allies got into germany ?

I was watching a doc on the history channel only a few weeks ago about this.

Even now there is a theory that it never happened that it was a Jewish conspiracy to gain support for getting Israel back, Holocaust deniers they are called , Mel gibsons dad being a well known one.

So there is 2 CT’s from one event ! that’s how in the name of god the are CT’s

[HarpoJoyce]

I've got a few of my own......
(1) Who killed British comic actor Roy Kinnear......
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/K/htmlK/kinnearroy/kinnearroy.htm
http://www.lastingtribute.co.uk/tribute/kinnear/2565301

He fell off a horse while shooting third film in the Three Musketeers series The Return of the Musketeers with Michael York, Oliver Reed and Kim Catrall. Directed by Richard Lester.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098194/

My bother is that any one who had sen him bounce around, stirrupless and under-controlling on these great beasts from the earlier 1970's films knew it was pretty risky. Obviously it was an instruction from the filmakers that he should perform in this way.

He didn't survive.

It is said Richard Lester who directed some of the famous Beatles films inc. A Hard Days Night never directed again. Not quite. He worked with Paul McCarthy again in the '90's. However, I also point the finger at the producers of the film including Mario Sotela who appears to specialise in sequels.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815402/

[Block G Raptor]

Who killed Brandon Lee? or was it suicide?
Who killed Kurt Cobain? or was it suicide?
theres 2 that I don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of

[jebus]

So anto obvious lying and all crackpot theories are being included? WMDs aren't a conspriacy, it's either a **** up by the authorits (Blair still insists that given the evidence they had they were right in thinking WMDs would be found), or an excuse to go war (just like all the other excuses used throughout mankinds history). No cover up here

Holocaust deniers are morons, and they have never been proved right, so their conspiracy theory is discounted. As for some people telling the tale of concentration camps, well that doesn't really rank as a conspiracy either because the Nazis openly said they were moving Jews into these camps, the Allies did know these camps existed, but bar the people who were there no-one knew how bad they actually were, but no-one tried to cover up that they existed

[TonyD]

Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK


I think most people now believe that JFK was a conspiracy of some sort, don't they ? It's probably the most credible of the famous conspiracy theories.

[OwlsFan]

I think most people now believe that JFK was a conspiracy of some sort, don't they ? It's probably the most credible of the famous conspiracy theories.

No it's not. It was the first major conspiracy theory but time after time the theories have been debunked but this won't stop the conspiracy theorists still believing it.

As the Nazis attacking their own radio station, there was EVIDENCE to show it (not theory and speculation).

[Aberdonian Stu]

If you're going to include the link between smoking and cancer you'll probably have to include a lot of science. The notion that the earth orbits the sun was quite controversial in its day.

Ah but were there concerted efforts to cover this up or did those of a different view just generally believe that the concept was false? Were there conspiracy theories as such about such matters?

[blobbyblob]

How about the FAI World Class Management Team Conspiracy?:)

An unbelieveable tale where the "Organistion" conceives a cunning plan to unveil a manager with no managerial qualifications, limited english and fewer ideas coupled with a back up team who could avail of free transport, sure in the knowledge that they would fail.

All the while in the background negotiations take place with a bankroller to pay big for the next manager so the country can be spared the shame saving the "Organisation" Millions.

MHAHAHAHAHAH!(Evil Laugh)

[Student Mullet]

Ah but were there concerted efforts to cover this up or did those of a different view just generally believe that the concept was false? Were there conspiracy theories as such about such matters?Galileo was put in front of the inquisition so there was certainly an attempt to cover it up. The matter was reasonably well proven but some didn't believe it at first, similar enough to the theory that smoking causes cancer.

[GavinZac]

No it's not. It was the first major conspiracy theory but time after time the theories have been debunked but this won't stop the conspiracy theorists still believing it.

As the Nazis attacking their own radio station, there was EVIDENCE to show it (not theory and speculation).

Most theories would be based on some sort of evidence. You pretty much have to decide which evidence you believe and which you don't.

[gilberto_eire]

People will believe any sort of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 on is so unbelievavle you have to be really paranoid to believe it. The number of American citizens that would have to be involved to carry out the attack on their own country would run in to hundreds. Then you'd have to find more lunatics to fly the planes in to the buildings etc etc.

The fact is NO CONSPIRACY THEORY has ever proven to be correct, except perhaps the Nazis staging their own attack on the radio station and which was allegedly by the Poles to start WW2.

You've either a predisposition to believing these things or you don't. Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK and the latter murdered Marlyn Monroe and the Queen Mother killed Diana :rolleyes:

You really don't have a clue about the Kenneddy one or 9/11, not even going to bother arguing the points with you as you clearly know nothing. the fact you try say someone who believes one believes them all shows how narrow-minded you are!!

[Aberdonian Stu]

Galileo was put in front of the inquisition so there was certainly an attempt to cover it up. The matter was reasonably well proven but some didn't believe it at first, similar enough to the theory that smoking causes cancer.

Was the inquisition not public or at least were it's details not publicly known? Figured a cover up/conspiracy in the traditional sense would try to be less open.

[seanfhear]

is there a conspiracy to undermine the investigation into conspiracies that were proven to be true on this thread
on a more serious note are most human organisations capable of organising these type of events and keeping all their actions under wraps

[ken foree]

karen silkwood? paul wellstone? two interesting ones, the former more public and renowned, the latter more obscure and questionable (in the sense that it's worthy of a conspiracy angle at all).

also project MK-ULTRA, astonishing stuff.

perhaps bobby kennedy?

the john kennedy one is amazing and will grip theorists and armchair experts for years. oswald's uncle-in-law was a high-ranking KGB officer/general in russia, true. the House investigation into presidential assassinations in the 70s (not the Warren Commission) came to the conclusion that oswald was the murderer and was likely part of a larger conspiracy. they relied on dodgy acoustic evidence at the time though. this only makes things murkier.

sometimes it's tempting to think, as i believe someone pointed out, that it is better for a cover-up if the perpetrators actually disseminate this kind of suspicious, conspiratorrially-angled rumour themselves. in this sense the perceived truth is always shifting and the truth-seekers are aiming at a moving target (while often defending themselves against character assassination and other insinuation).

the control of information is a silent weapon that shoots situations rather than bullets.

[anto1208]

the john kennedy one is amazing and will grip theorists and armchair experts for years. oswald's uncle-in-law was a high-ranking KGB officer/general in russia, true. the House investigation into presidential assassinations in the 70s (not the Warren Commission) came to the conclusion that oswald was the murderer and was likely part of a larger conspiracy. they relied on dodgy acoustic evidence at the time though. this only makes things murkier.



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Love the Family guy clip where Oswald is looking out the window and goes hey whats that on the grass he is going to shoot the president , he picks up a gun and says come on oswald time to be an american hero

[Student Mullet]

Was the inquisition not public or at least were it's details not publicly known? Figured a cover up/conspiracy in the traditional sense would try to be less open.

The proof that smoking causes cancer was publicly available as well, that's why I'm saying that if you include one controversial scientific discovery you'll have to include them all.

[SkStu]

You really don't have a clue about the Kenneddy one or 9/11, not even going to bother arguing the points with you as you clearly know nothing. the fact you try say someone who believes one believes them all shows how narrow-minded you are!!

i have read a hell of a lot about Oswald and the JFK assassination and the conclusion i arrived at is that the CIA (without doubt) were involved and Oswald (who did shoot he President) was the fall guy. I think the FBI were largely ignorant of the whole situation...

[jmurphyc]

i have read a hell of a lot about Oswald and the JFK assassination and the conclusion i arrived at is that the CIA (without doubt) were involved and Oswald (who did shoot he President) was the fall guy. I think the FBI were largely ignorant of the whole situation...

Just out of interest, have you read the Vincent Bugliosi one?

[SkStu]

ha! if its the one im thinking of - no, i was going to but i think hes just some paid stooge employed by the CIA to debunk conspiracy theories!!! And it was too big. :) ;)

to be honest, i started reading up on it (Michael Kurtz, Livingston, Donald Gibson) after Oliver Stone's movie and while some of the mystique surrounding it has died (for me) at this stage, i did and still do firmly believe that the CIA were in on it. Im no expert on it but one thing i do know is that its too blurred and confusing now to ever categorically know what exactly happened...

[OwlsFan]

i have read a hell of a lot about Oswald and the JFK assassination and the conclusion i arrived at is that the CIA (without doubt) were involved and Oswald (who did shoot he President) was the fall guy. I think the FBI were largely ignorant of the whole situation...


So have I read a host of stuff on it and documentaries as well which debunk all the conspiracy stuff.

[gilberto_eire]

So have I read a host of stuff on it and documentaries as well which debunk all the conspiracy stuff.

I think the motion of his head qualms that, unless of course they lied about the location of the Library in relation to the motorcade??

It was the CIA, he started sticking his nose into there affairs and they did'nt take too kindly to it, funny your defending a country where countless figures who were trying to make a change for the better were gunned down!! (Lennon, Martin Luther), but there was nothing behind any of that, there only conspiracy theories, maybe it's just a coincidence that America keeps getting involved!!

[SkStu]

So have I read a host of stuff on it and documentaries as well which debunk all the conspiracy stuff.

i respect that but how thivk would we be if we took everything we were told at face value. You have accepted one version of events, i have chosen another version of events as most likely. Each to their own.

[stojkovic]

So have I read a host of stuff on it and documentaries as well which debunk all the conspiracy stuff.

Even the magic bullet theory?

And Oswald firing three accurate shots in seven seconds with a WWII rifle with a dodgy scope.

[SkStu]

Even the magic bullet theory?

And Oswald firing three accurate shots in seven seconds with a WWII rifle with a dodgy scope.

added to the fact that he was known as a woefully poor shot when he served in the US forces.

his defection to Russia, his readmittance to America witha Russian bride, his work with pro-Cuban AND anti-Cuban political movements - simultaneously. If nothing else, Oswalds life story is really interesting in the context of JFK's assassination.

To expect people to believe Oswald to be the lone assassin is pretty far-fetched.

[OwlsFan]

Even the magic bullet theory?

And Oswald firing three accurate shots in seven seconds with a WWII rifle with a dodgy scope.

Yes, and I'll try and find the sources. I remember seeing one documentary that dealt with everyone of the theories and debunked them all, including the "magic bullet" that never was.