Poor Standard of Ref's in the Eircom League.

[Schumi]

as soon as he blew the final whistle, one of the linos sprinted, and I mean sprinted down the tunnel, not waiting to shake hands with the players or go meet up with Kelly and the other lino? No idea what that was about, Kelly was poor but he hardly expected the refereeing team to be lynched??Maybe he really needed a ****. :)

[Réiteoir]

Crap that game was reffed by Declan Hanney, I was getting my refs mixed up


Declan must be good then - seeing as he can referee two games at the same time at grounds 3 miles apart.

Maybe he hires a Zepplin to hover above Dublin to accomplish this task...

:D

[Fivesilver]

Tourmey . . . was brutal in terryland tonight . . . If a ref in a premiership game makes a mistake he gets demoted for a few weeks to reffing league 1 games.maybe a stint in the leinster senior league for Kelly,Tourmey etc would cure them

Very observant - albeit a few months premature - to point out that the next step down from Terryland is the LSL. :D

[Jicked]

Let me start by saying that I ****ing HATE Alan Kelly. One thing he got right last night was the sending off. Initially I had thought that the first yellow card was a bit harsh and everybody agreed that the second tackle on Guy deserved a yellow. But when you look at the first infringment, you can clearly see that he went over the ball and into Fahy's ankle. Definite yellow IMO.

He did however make a mistake when Purcell was adjudged to have fouled Paisley. I cannot for the life of me see how he could have made this out. Paisley clearly got his angles wrong and realising this, he backed into Purcell before falling over. Purcell got his head to the ball and set up Amond(?) who had a clear shot on goal. These types of decisions infuriate me. Classic case of a referee bottling situation, easiest thing in the world to do is blow the whistle and give a free kick out. Pure böllóx.

I can't comment on the first yellow, I can't remember which one was O'Connor's foul as there were so many cards, but I've no complaints over his second. Its just the way Kelly lets the game turn in to such a scrappy affair by constantly pulling the game up for fouls like the one you noted. He must have booked 3 or 4 players by half time despite there not being a bad tackle involved. Way too quick to get the cards out, something I think is worse when the cameras are on him and he wants to make a point.

[finnpark]

Anyone know what match Alan Kelly is refereeing next weekend?

Also, anyone know if there is anywhere on the web with a complete result list from the LOI showing results and the referee?

[Greenforever]

Have any of you ever reffed a game?

Done a refereeing course?

Been assessed as a ref or even know what it entails?

Remember the Ref is the same for both teams...

However one huge improvement could be if the ref was wired for sound like in Rugby and explained all descisions.

[holidaysong]

What I didn't understand was that as soon as he blew the final whistle, one of the linos sprinted, and I mean sprinted down the tunnel, not waiting to shake hands with the players or go meet up with Kelly and the other lino?

Maybe he had to pee?

I was sitting behind that ref. The Rovers fans were giving him abuse for most of the game, although most of it was deserved. He gave one offside against Rovers at one stage when there was a St. Pat's defender in the centre of the pitch playing him onside by at least 5 metres. One of the worst decision I have ever seen!

[sligored]

richie winter is very fussy also. constantly blowing for frees when no need and giving petty yellow cards. he ruined the north west derby and wanted to be the centre of attention at all times.
he as referee gave a goal and then went to his donegal linesman who disallowed rovers goal for kicking the ball out of the goalies hands.
i was a qualified league of ireland official in the past and this would question the linemans decision to amend a referees decision who was 20 metres closer to the incident.
even a number of the finn harps faithful have said that the goal should have been allowed on their forum
watch out for it on MNS tonight

[Dugout]

The last few El matches that I have attended or watched on TV Alan Kelly has been the referee and I have watched his performance's closely. I think he is a very good referee but he does show yellow's too quickly in my opinion and that is why he gets so much stick. I was at the derby last night and this is exactly what happend and the same last week at the Drogheda-Bohs match. To me it seems that he feels if he doesn't give out yellow cards he will lose control of the game which I don't think he would as teh game can be controlled without throwing around cards.

As for the AR sprinting off the pitch at full time, he did the same at half time as well and waited at the tunnel for Alan and the other AR. I found this rather strange myself!

[football fan]

As for the AR sprinting off the pitch at full time, he did the same at half time as well and waited at the tunnel for Alan and the other AR. I found this rather strange myself![/QUOTE]


As far as I know, its a new uefa instruction that the lino nearest the tunnel go to the tunnel area at full time and half time in case there is any hassle. Reitoir have you heard anything about this??

[thischarmingman]

Have any of you ever reffed a game?

Done a refereeing course?

Been assessed as a ref or even know what it entails?



Nope. I've never played professional football either but that doesn't stop me criticising players.

[Sheridan]

However one huge improvement could be if the ref was wired for sound like in Rugby and explained all descisions.
"Well, basically, what's happened here is that I wasn't keeping up with the play and frankly don't have a clue what went on, but the number 4 called me a **** at the Carlisle Grounds in 2003 and I don't have as far to run if it's taken from here, so it's a yellow card and a free-kick to the attacking team. Okay?"

[Réiteoir]

As for the AR sprinting off the pitch at full time, he did the same at half time as well and waited at the tunnel for Alan and the other AR. I found this rather strange myself!


As far as I know, its a new uefa instruction that the lino nearest the tunnel go to the tunnel area at full time and half time in case there is any hassle. Reitoir have you heard anything about this??[/quote]

Haven't had any directives from the English FA regarding this (as it's usually the Fourth Official who monitors the tunnel area) - but will keep an eye out for anything

[rambler14]

Poll on the standard of referees is available on the MNS website. www.rte.ie/mns

[Réiteoir]

I can see only one outcome of this - and it may not be justified - or it may be - I'll let the rest of yer decide that one

[Sheridan]

It always amuses me when refs get uppity and threaten to withdraw their labour (unless they're being physically abused.) It happened in Spain about ten years ago - their ego-less replacements from the Second Division performed so well the strike was over before it had begun.

[Réiteoir]

tbh Sheridan - I'd gladly kill to be allowed to even run the line on an eircom League game.

Sadly I won't get the chance due to me being stuck in the English system

[osarusan]

tbh Sheridan - I'd gladly kill Alan Kelly to be allowed to even run the line on an eircom League game.

That's the spirit.

[sligofan4ever]

Don't know how many have you have been to the Showgrounds but the refs we get are very poor always give decisions the other way :( no matter what if were onside he says were offside if the other team are a mile off its onside in there eyes its madness

[Dodge]

Don't know how many have you have been to the Showgrounds but the refs we get are very poor always give decisions the other way :( no matter what if were onside he says were offside if the other team are a mile off its onside in there eyes its madness

Its also a lie. None of them are biased. They're just poor.

[deecay]

I hate so many people,ref's are up there but they make mistakes every game.There is NOTHING that can be done,lets just enjoy abuseing them

[ramsfan]

it makes it worth the admission alone just to be allowed give them some heartache when they make a crap call

[eamo1]

I was told to "relax and take it easy" by one woman at the match in terryland last Friday night.She just doesnt understand though,she never will.:D

[ramsfan]

i had the total opposition experience a players mother nearly climbing the wall to call the linesman a fist of obscenities when her son was hacked down,proper hardcore none of this comin to games just to be seen and moaning about it the whole way through

[rambler14]

I was told to "relax and take it easy" by one woman at the match in terryland last Friday night.She just doesnt understand though,she never will.:D

I know the feeling. I'm constantly being told to "relax and take it easy" but they just don't understand.

[thischarmingman]

I was told to "relax and take it easy" by one woman at the match in terryland last Friday night.She just doesnt understand though,she never will.:D

lyl5DlrsU90

[Réiteoir]

Guys - just want to slightly divert from the subject - but the FAI are crying out for any extra referees they can get to oversee games at Amateur and Schoolboys Level - we have a massive disparity between the number of teams and the number of registered and active referees (the UEFA average is something like 1 referee for every 8 teams - here it's 1 referee for every 18 teams).

Dates and venues of remaining seminars for this year:

7th May - 9:30am - ALSAA, Dublin Airport
10th May - 9:30am - St Mary's Diocesan School, Drogheda
17th May - 9:30am - ALSAA, Dublin Airport
24th May - 9:30am - ALSAA, Dublin Airport
28th May - 6:30pm - ALSAA, Dublin Airport

23rd May - 6:30pm - Mounthawk Park, Tralee

17th May - 9:30am - Daingeann, Galway


For more details or to register an interest - please email referees@fai.ie

[Angus]

Not sure I can count everything but I suspect I am in a minority.

I actually think the standard is not bad. Yes big teams get more decisions on balance but it was ever thus and is the same all aorund the world.

By and large they do a decent job and while I have cursed like all of us I could never say a ref ruined a game or most importantly failed to deal with thuggishness

[hedderman]

Its also a lie. None of them are biased. They're just poor.

Would agree completely with that statement. There always seems to be a perception in Derry of Dublin bias when I think it's just poor refereeing at times

[Rovers Maniac]

Dublin based Ref's favour Dublin teams that is fact !

[KevB76]

Not sure I can count everything but I suspect I am in a minority.

I actually think the standard is not bad. Yes big teams get more decisions on balance but it was ever thus and is the same all aorund the world.

By and large they do a decent job and while I have cursed like all of us I could never say a ref ruined a game or most importantly failed to deal with thuggishness

Agreed, I too think our refs in general are decent enough. Some are better than others and all prone to the odd mistake, but by and large I have few complaints.

Been some dodgy lino's this year though;
Exhibit A: Lino raises flag for offside, then puts it down again because the ref didnt notice - 3 times in one game.
Exhibit B: Player does brilliantly to keep ball from going over side-line, lino's view is obscured, 2 or 3 seconds later he raises his flag after opposition player calls for throw-in

[Angus]

Been some dodgy lino's this year though;


Never mind dodgy lino's - anybody seen the very cute lino that does under 21 games ? There is a nearly cute lino called Rhona but this other lino is decent stuff.

Exchanged pleasantries a few times at under 21 games when UCD were 7-0 up and there was nothing going on at her end (oo'er)

[CuanaD]

Agreed, I too think our refs in general are decent enough. Some are better than others and all prone to the odd mistake, but by and large I have few complaints.

Been some dodgy lino's this year though;
Exhibit A: Lino raises flag for offside, then puts it down again because the ref didnt notice - 3 times in one game.
That's actually what you are MEANT to do - if the Ref is ignoring you, you can't hold your flag up for hours until he looks around - just give it a few seconds & then lower the flag, but bring it to the ref's attention (at half time). Often the ref will be over-ruling the assistant rather than ignoring them.




Exhibit B: Player does brilliantly to keep ball from going over side-line, lino's view is obscured, 2 or 3 seconds later he raises his flag after opposition player calls for throw-in
No, I can't give any justification for that one:(



Never mind dodgy lino's - anybody seen the very cute lino that does under 21 games ?
This thread just got interesting!
Anyone got some info on this lady?


:ball:

[Réiteoir]

That's actually what you are MEANT to do - if the Ref is ignoring you, you can't hold your flag up for hours until he looks around - just give it a few seconds & then lower the flag, but bring it to the ref's attention (at half time). Often the ref will be over-ruling the assistant rather than ignoring them.

That's not correct Cuana - you're supposed to stay with the flag until the referee spots you and either takes the decision or waves you down.

We have the flags nowadays with the buzzer built in - so if the ref doesn't spot you - you simply press a button on the handle and the receiver strapped to the ref's arm emits a loud beep and a vibration

[pól-dcfc]

loud beep and a vibration

No wonder Rhona and co. have signed up...

Ooooh Matron....

[KevB76]

Never mind dodgy lino's - anybody seen the very cute lino that does under 21 games ? There is a nearly cute lino called Rhona but this other lino is decent stuff.

Exchanged pleasantries a few times at under 21 games when UCD were 7-0 up and there was nothing going on at her end (oo'er)

Possibly Aisling Looney (the lino we had v Shels on Friday) ?

[KevB76]

That's actually what you are MEANT to do
Ehhhh, no ! Please tell me you are not a lino :eek:


if the Ref is ignoring you, you can't hold your flag up for hours until he looks around
That's actually what you are MEANT to do. The ref doesnt ignore him, but he might not see him straight away, he's supposed to keep the flag up until the ref see's him.


just give it a few seconds & then lower the flag, but bring it to the ref's attention (at half time)..
Ask yourself this: Why did he raise the flag in the first place - an offside or some other infringement of the rules, right? Why then would he change his mind, as if it never happened? What would be the whole point of raising the flag only to lower it seconds later? Sorry man, thats just nonsense.


Often the ref will be over-ruling the assistant rather than ignoring them.
Yes the ref occassionally overrules the lino, he will ackowledge the lino and only then should he put the flag down.

[kdjaC]

The ref was a joke tonight - complete tosser. Think it was Hancock not sure though

Was hancock and i thought he did a good job, Cork players trying to kick fahey off the pitch and Murphy leading with the elbow every time he jumed for a ball.

mad how 2 people can see 2 different things.


kdjac

[superfrank]

I noticed a few players, on both sides, swinging kicks when the ball was gone tonight and Hancock did nothing about it.

[A face]

Was hancock and i thought he did a good job, Cork players trying to kick fahey off the pitch and Murphy leading with the elbow every time he jumed for a ball.


Are you saying Danny lead with the arm for the first card? Given that the was turned the other way when he started jumping i would say no. Yeah it was there but there wasn't anything in it. Second yellow was worse decision, should not have got either card.

Sullivans i cant remember, Healys was another stupid decision, and a Pats player booked in the second should have got the card either. Brutal stuff.

[kdjaC]

Sullivans i cant remember, Healys was another stupid decision, and a Pats player booked in the second should have got the card either. Brutal stuff.

yes he should Dempsey took out your player, he also should have been booked for a studs up tackle edge of the box in the 1st half too but ref gave only a free.

Suppose adds more to RRS now.

kdjac

[finnpark]

Im sure its only a coincidence that all the weird refereeing decisions are going in favour of Pats and Bohs and against Cork mainly and even Drogs.

Hope none of you Cork people are getting paranoid:

http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=932024&postcount=12

I wouldn't like to be a Cork fan :o

[GavinZac]

Nevermind that clown - he was making excuses again that time

Ah yes, the clown with the best record of any Cork City manager, ever. Glad we're shot of him, now we've got Mathews in who picks Behan ahead of Flynny and rewards the lads with pizza however mediocre their display. Its a good thing he's in now, to let the players do their own set piece routines, the lack of short corners was killing me.