Limerick: European Capital of Murder 2008 [Archive] - Page 2

sadloserkid

23/04/2008, 1:11 PM

Someone's getting more liberal as they get older anyway. I remember back in your youth when you had plans of wiping out the human race bar a select group of your choosing. What next, coffee with Jon Stewart, discussing the day's Guardian, whilst signing cheques for third world orphanages! You've changed man :mad:

Well the 80% figure is really more of a first wave than anything else. :) And I'm still caffeine free at least so John Stewart can find another consort.

And on an aside while I know some will we've dragged this thread off topic I think our three way love in has proved beyond doubt what a warm, friendly bunch us Limerick folk really are. :)

6yardpunisha

23/04/2008, 2:00 PM

have been out in Limerick on numerous occasions and to be quite honest i have never seen or encountered any trouble ever down there, would recommend it to anyone for a night out, some great bars and clubs there

Roadend

23/04/2008, 2:13 PM

Again yes.

But before we get too smug let's not forget we knocked our slums and moved everyone into the wonderful Moyross, Southill and Ballinacurra Weston estates. :)

Well in fairness the urban regeneration is changing all that, I believe they've just built two lovely new handball alleys in Moyross. That should see crime rates in the area drop rapidly as youngfellas take up handball in the hope of being the next Duxie walsh.

Pike B

23/04/2008, 2:18 PM

Rugby and murder. At least we're top of two things:D :D :D

anto1208

23/04/2008, 3:12 PM

So what??

Maybe a dozen in fifteen or so years??

So what??

You're talking out your ar$e with your points anto.

I've lived all of my 22 years in the middle of one of the "Most dangerous estates in Ireland" (Trademark: Paul Williams, Sunday World) so I'd wager I'm far closer to the ground than you and judging by your posts have a far far better idea of how things work.

Sure an awful lot of my childhood friends are to quote some gangsta rap for you "locked down, cracked out, or in the dirt" but does it effect my ability to live my daily life?? Of course not! Because I'm not a whinge bag constantly looking for excuses to be in fear or things to give out about.

If you leave the actual real hard criminals alone they are not going to bother you. To suggest people are going around randomly attacking other people for no reason is ludicrous.

Absolute nonsense.

It effects you if you allow it to effect you. Your visions of random, rampant crime are patently false.

More sensationalist rubbish. How, pray tell, is this in any way unique to Limerick.

Of course its not acceptable.

Really though, what is your point??

People, pay little heed to anto Limerick is not that bad. Take it from someone who knows. I've had a lot of stuff happen that might shock someone not from an area like mine but I can assure you its a rare occurence.

What you have in Limerick is a lot of poverty coupled with sprawling massive housing estates which were far too big on day one and the drug related crime which inevitably results. What you don't have in Limerick is huge gangs of murderers and thieves prowling every street corner.

"Feuding Families"

Jesus Wept. :rolleyes:

Who said people are going around randomly attacking others ? I mentioned 2 random attacks i was involved in, in 30 years living here and a few not so random . Only an idiot would think that there are gangs running around attacking everyone on the streets from that statement i didnt think i had to spell that out.

This idea that if you talk about crime in the city you are bad mouthing it or whinging and convincing people to stay away is rubbish. Its a big city every big city has crime what do you think if we dont mention the crime and the newspapers stop reporting it people will think its a great place ? where we have ice cream parties every day with balloon animals.

Where did i say this is unique to limerick ( in fact i said its not )

To quote you "an awfull lot of my friends are locked up cracked up " Who is supplying the drugs to them ? what are they locked up for ????

Are you still missing the point im making ?

anto1208

23/04/2008, 3:32 PM

You said I would get robbed. This is the part I was dismissing as nonsense. You may not have meant to sound as sensationalist but you did.

It is not a crime to look like a dirtball. Nor should it be. There was no trouble at the club event and if anybody has a problem with how people look it says more about their own middle class ass clenching than anything else.

I'm 27. :) And I have never been the victim of a crime. Two guys demanded my wallet once. I refused, punched one and ran off like a great big sissy. Not the end of the world. Again scobes probably have a right to exist if their only crime is looking scobish.

All very tragic. But if the truth is somewhere between my own blessed existence and your seemingly luckless one (as far as crime goes) then it's still not a widespread problem.

Indeed. 80% of the world's population if I had my way. :)

Yea that first bit came out wrong i didnt mean it to be you will get robbed more if you did get robbed as some one somewhere does each day, by a junkie its directly linked to these gangs

Im not suggesting the city is over run by scum bags attacking every one but there is a far larger % than in other areas of the country ( same can be said for dublin etc ). Maybe thats me just getting old looking at the youngsters as hooligans. But i dont want any crime around me i dont want to have to walk past the bunch of 20 scoabs drinking on the canal bank each day.I dont want to have to finish a match because some dirtballs have started throwing stones at the players. I dont want to have to get alarms dogs gates etc to try protect my stuff. beacuase if i dont it gets robbed.I know this happens everywhere and its not unique to Limerick but i dont think thats an excuse.

Maybe its easier for someone that has never been a victim of crime to over look these things but the idea of some dirt ball being in your house never leaves you.

Your sending mixed signals too 80% to be wiped out yet standing up for the rights of a scoab to dress like a scoab i think your going soft i want Jebus in charge of the cul :D just in case

Pike B

23/04/2008, 4:16 PM

anto1208

23/04/2008, 4:27 PM

Limerick born and raised. It's no worse than any other town in Ireland. Anybody can be shot or robbed or assaulted or murdered, at any time in any town, for any reason. All that statistical nonsense isn't worth the paper it's printed on. I only use the tabloids for my Dog to pi$$ on. Any Limerick person can tell you all this. I'm amazed by a few Limerick responses on here. Some of you have no pride in your home town.

I have lots of pride in the good things about the city thats why it kills me when i see it being ruined, and no its not the tabloids ruining the city its the scumbags.

Why is wanting to better your city seen as a bad thing ? What is likely to improve the city highlighting the situation or brushing it under the carpet.

Highlighting it has brought the regeneration plan to the city because politicians where forced to finally do something because of the coverage rather than just saying "its no worse than any where else" all the time.

Lim till i die

24/04/2008, 7:55 AM

Only an idiot would think that there are gangs running around attacking everyone on the streets from that statement i didnt think i had to spell that out.

Limerick is a dump infested with scumbags

Im not overly worried about the "gang war" id prefere if something was done, anything!!! at all about the amount of dirt balls in the city it seems that we have an extra large % of them in the city.

you will prob get robbed by some herion addict

How many times in Rathbane did we have dirtballs throwing rocks over the wall

You cant have anything in the city that isnt a filthball magnet

Now i find it hard to believe you have lived in Limerick for what 30+ years and have never been the victim of crime? Or have failed to notice the scoabs around the city.

small few fueding families

Bravo anto :rolleyes:

Are you still missing the point im making ?

Unless it's a point about your middle class persecution complex and how you pick up all your information from the Daily Sun I suppose I am missing your point.

jebus

24/04/2008, 8:49 AM

Unless it's a point about your middle class persecution complex and how you pick up all your information from the Daily Sun I suppose I am missing your point.

:D:D:D

anto1208

24/04/2008, 8:50 AM

Bravo anto :rolleyes:

Unless it's a point about your middle class persecution complex and how you pick up all your information from the Daily Sun I suppose I am missing your point.

Right my mistake ill try not to make wild sweeping generalisations about people.

Lads it turns out Limeirck has no crime no poverty no gang related shootings that all this was created by the middle class tabloid readers in Limerick because they want to ruin there own businesses and reduce the value of there homes put off tourists and investors etc etc . I know thats hard to believe because it sounds really really stupid but aparently its true.

Ps. I have nt read a tabloid in about 7 years all my "info" comes from people dealing with this on a day to day basis. i suppose if i stuck my fingers in my ears and went la la la la la i too would think there is nothing wrong.

PPS your middle class !!! ;)

jebus

24/04/2008, 9:08 AM

Ps. I have nt read a tabloid in about 7 years all my "info" comes from people dealing with this on a day to day basis.

Do they work for the Irish Sun though?

:)

Lim till i die

24/04/2008, 9:12 AM

Right my mistake ill try not to make wild sweeping generalisations about people.

Please do.

To save yourself looking ridiculous as much as anything else

Lads it turns out Limeirck has no crime no poverty no gang related shootings

That's just ludicrous.

Reverse anto, REVERSE!!

You've gone too much the other way now and you were doing so well........

that all this was created by the middle class tabloid readers in Limerick because they want to ruin there own businesses and reduce the value of there homes put off tourists and investors etc etc .

Absolute drivel.

And I bet you thought you were really clever writing it and everything.

I know thats hard to believe because it sounds really really stupid

It does.

REALLY.

but aparently its true.

Haven't had a chance to glance at The Sun yet today so no idea where you got this from.

Ps. I have nt read a tabloid in about 7 years

Read it yourself, had it read to you by someone.

Makes no difference to me, the result is the same.

all my "info" comes from people dealing with this on a day to day basis.

Expand your circle of friends anto

The Salem Young Womens association had more luck than your lot.

i suppose if i stuck my fingers in my ears and went la la la la la

Mind you don't poke yourself in the eye while aiming those fingers at your ears

i too would think there is nothing wrong.

Or you'd still be cowered in a corner somewhere waiting for the inevitable gangland bullet.

PPS your middle class !!!

WTF :confused:

anto1208

24/04/2008, 9:16 AM

Do they work for the Irish Sun though?

:)

Nope investigating detectives and social workers.

anto1208

24/04/2008, 9:27 AM

Please do.

To save yourself looking ridiculous as much as anything else

That's just ludicrous.

Reverse anto, REVERSE!!

You've gone too much the other way now and you were doing so well........

Absolute drivel.

And I bet you thought you were really clever writing it and everything.

It does.

REALLY.

Haven't had a chance to glance at The Sun yet today so no idea where you got this from.

Read it yourself, had it read to you by someone.

Makes no difference to me, the result is the same.

Expand your circle of friends anto

The Salem Young Womens association had more luck than your lot.

Mind you don't poke yourself in the eye while aiming those fingers at your ears

Or you'd still be cowered in a corner somewhere waiting for the inevitable gangland bullet.

WTF :confused:

How am i cowering waiting for a gangland bullet ? it doesnt stop me from going about my day.thats rubbish raising issues about the city doesnt mean your hiding in your attic afraid to go out what a dumb response.

Are you working class ? No ! so your either Middle or upper class ? i presume your middle class like the rest of us on here.

Anyway i cant be arsed anymore it makes no difference to me what you think of me. If you cant respond to a thread without throwing insults at people who dissagree with you then dont bother.

jebus

24/04/2008, 9:29 AM

Nope investigating detectives and social workers.

I'm friends with social workers in Cork, and guess what, they too have crime in their city, and not only that they have drug related gangland crime! He tells me it's the worst place to live in the world for crime bar Disneyland Japan, and he should know, he's a sensationalist.

The only detective I know is Bluebeard however, so I'll get on to him about it and get back with his findings in due time

Are you working class ? No !

Because the working class don't exist anymore? seriously giving away your middle class Irish Independent reading ways here anto

anto1208

24/04/2008, 9:41 AM

I'm friends with social workers in Cork, and guess what, they too have crime in their city, and not only that they have drug related gangland crime! He tells me it's the worst place to live in the world for crime bar Disneyland Japan, and he should know, he's a sensationalist.

The only detective I know is Bluebeard however, so I'll get on to him about it and get back with his findings in due time

Because the working class don't exist anymore? seriously giving away your middle class Irish Independent reading ways here anto

Again i never said other cities dont have the same problems one last time Every city has these problems, limerick isnt the worst you go to dublin cork galway they all have crime its just this is a thread about crime in Limerick so i talked about crime in limerick.

Nope but does a working class person sit at a Pc at 10 in the morning on a thursday ? ;)

Lim till i die

24/04/2008, 9:50 AM

Are you working class ? No ! so your either Middle or upper class ? i presume your middle class like the rest of us on here.

Nope but does a working class person sit at a Pc at 10 in the morning on a thursday ?

:D

And here, in a rather ludicrous nutshell, is everything you need to know about anto and his attitudes

Jesus Wept. :rolleyes:

Lim till i die

24/04/2008, 9:52 AM

Anyway i cant be arsed anymore it makes no difference to me what you think of me.

Probably just aswell.

If you cant respond to a thread without throwing insults at people who dissagree with you then dont bother.

There are only some many times you can bang your head against a brick wall before you grow resentful of bricks.

Pike B

24/04/2008, 9:54 AM

Probably just aswell.

There are only some many times you can bang your head against a brick wall before you grow resentful of bricks.
Your a bully...

pete

24/04/2008, 11:39 AM

Keep the tit for tat ramblings to PMs please.

sadloserkid

24/04/2008, 11:59 AM

Nope but does a working class person sit at a Pc at 10 in the morning on a thursday ? ;)

Do you have a problem with educating the working class now? :rolleyes:

Your sending mixed signals too 80% to be wiped out yet standing up for the rights of a scoab to dress like a scoab i think your going soft i want Jebus in charge of the cul :D just in case

I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not here? If you're not and you're seriously advocating dictating how people can dress you're gone completely off in the deep end. Are you going to ban hoodies completely can I ask (regardless of whether it's scobe, skater, rocker or other wearing it?) Perhaps any t-shirt with a vaguely outrageous message?

They can dress however the hell they want surely (and indeed drink on embankments if they want) as long as they don't mess around with stellar pillars of the community such as detectives (part of the problem by the way) and social workers.

rebs23

24/04/2008, 1:02 PM

New Garda Recorded Crime Stats out; http://www.cso.ie/
Doesn't show Limerick in the best of lights when compared to other urban centres.
Those stats are for all of Limerick including the County whereas the Dublin stats are broken down to the various urban divisions and the Cork stats are broken into Cork City and the two county divisions. They don't show just the Limerick urban stats (city and environs) per head of population, fortunately for Limerick otherwise the figures and comparisons would be truly shocking.

sadloserkid

24/04/2008, 1:09 PM

Nobody is denying that (though the gardai would do well to examine their own role in the whole thing too). The crux of the issue is that the popular perception is that Limerick exists as a sort of Irish Baghdad or something where ordinary, decent folk can't walk from one end of the street to the other without suffering at least three vicious crimes against their person. The figures fail to show that the violence is mostly, not entirely but mostly, conducted within the city but without impacting upon the vast majority of its citizens (the luckless anto seemingly dragging the figures up all by himself). If you moved to Limerick tomorrow the chances of you personally being the victim of a violent crime are no higher than in Cork (unless you're an active member of the criminal underworld :)) but the figures are unable to show that most of the violent crime in the city is far removed from the everyday live of those of us who live here.

This does not lessen the significance of the murders per se but it is wholly different situation to the one that is commonly spun.

anto1208

24/04/2008, 1:19 PM

Do you have a problem with educating the working class now? :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not here? If you're not and you're seriously advocating dictating how people can dress you're gone completely off in the deep end. Are you going to ban hoodies completely can I ask (regardless of whether it's scobe, skater, rocker or other wearing it?) Perhaps any t-shirt with a vaguely outrageous message?

They can dress however the hell they want surely (and indeed drink on embankments if they want) as long as they don't mess around with stellar pillars of the community such as detectives (part of the problem by the way) and social workers.

Where the hell did you get that from ? education is a good idea for every class.Not being smart about it but I dont get this class concept anyway what defines your class why am i being called middle class and others claiming to be working class, like being middle class is something to be ashamed off and being working class is something to be so proud of that even middle class people claim to be working class.

How do you figure it out is it where your from ?
Is it your education ?
Is it you job ?

On your 2nd point (even though it was clearly a joke )ive no problem with how people dress and since im wearing a hoody now i dont think id ban them.i think they are quite comfortable . I do have a problem with guys getting there dole money and buying cans drinking them then throwing all the cans on the ground for some one else to clean up. why is that a problem for you am i infringing on there human rights to make a mess ?

Its great to see you so worried about a scoabs right to dress how he wants and act how he wants but you completly disregard somebody else right to go about there day minding there own business and not bothering anyone.

Im all for personal liberties its the people infringing on others personal liberties that im against i dont know why your getting so uppidy about it.

sadloserkid

24/04/2008, 1:31 PM

Where the hell did you get that from ? education is a good idea for every class.Not being smart about it but I dont get this class concept anyway what defines your class why am i being called middle class and others claiming to be working class, like being middle class is something to be ashamed off and being working class is something to be so proud of that even middle class people claim to be working class.

Don't worry, whatever else you're being in this thread it's not smart! I'm middle class. And not ashamed of it in the slightest. Most middle class people claim to be working class or upper class because they're tossers. Nothing I can do about that. And the point I was making is that one reason that a working class person may be on such a middle-class tool as a PC at peak cost times is because they're in an educational facility.

I do have a problem with guys getting there dole money and buying cans drinking them then throwing all the cans on the ground for some one else to clean up. why is that a problem for you am i infringing on there human rights to make a mess ?

You haven't mentioned rubbish until now which I'll concede is necessary for you to put some distance between you and your previous contention that was to be honest very close to saying 'scobes should be rounded up and erradicated regardless of their history of criminality'. Of course I have a problem with people littering. It's a classless act that should be punished far more severely than it is. However prior to your last post you objected to 'scobes drinking on embankments'. You made no mention of littering, simply their presence as you walked past. Those were your words, I'm not making anything up, you objected to having to walk past groups of scobes drinking.

Its great to see you so worried about a scoabs right to dress how he wants and act how he wants but you completly disregard somebody else right to go about there day minding there own business and not bothering anyone.

Im all for personal liberties its the people infringing on others personal liberties that im against i dont know why your getting so uppidy about it.

Again you are disregarding (wilfully or not) my repeated contentions that it is wrong to prosecute somebody just for looking 'scobbish' if they are not actively involved in criminal acts. I just happen to think that your objections to having to share air and common space with people that you think look as though they may potentially dangerous are pretty facistic.

if you can show me one place in my posting where I've suggested that it's ok for a criminal act to be perpetuated against anybody not involverd in criminality you may have a case. Otherwise your arguments are groundless.

anto1208

24/04/2008, 1:38 PM

Don't worry, whatever else you're being in this thread it's not smart! I'm middle class. And not ashamed of it in the slightest. Most middle class people claim to be working class or upper class because they're tossers. Nothing I can do about that. And the point I was making is that one reason that a working class person may be on such a middle-class tool at a PC at peak cost times is because they're in an educational facility.

You haven't mentioned rubbish until now which I'll concede is necessary for you to put some distance between you and your previous contention that was to be honest very close to saying 'scobes should be rounded up and erradicated regardless of their history of criminality'. Of course I have a problem with people littering. It's a classless act that should be punished far more severely than it is. However prior to your last post you objected to 'scobes drinking on embankments'. You made no mention of littering, simply their presence as you walked past. Those were your words, I'm not making anything up, you objected to having to walk past groups of scobes drinking.

Again you are disregarding (wilfully or not) my repeated contentions that it is wrong to prosecute somebody just for looking 'scobbish' if they are not actively involved in criminal acts. I just happen to think that your objections to having to share air and common space with people that you think look as though they may potentially dangerous are pretty facistic.

if you can show me one place in my posting where I've suggested that it's ok for a criminal act to be perpetuated against anybody not involverd in criminality you may have a case. Otherwise your arguments are groundless.

Again ive no problem with how people dress i dont think of people wearing hoodies as scoabs , scoabs to me are people up to no good i dont care if they have a hoody or a suit on.

The "scoabs" im refering to that i want rounded up are criminals, why would i want rid of somebody that is doing no wrong ?

Ive plenty of mates that are from these so called deprived areas and wear tracksuits and hoodys etc yet they still dont break the law and get of there ass and work hard.I want rid of the Dirtballs not the decent people.

you mentioned 80% are you saying 80% of the population are criminals ? or are you getting rid of people that havent done wrong as well ?

rebs23

24/04/2008, 1:42 PM

If you moved to Limerick tomorrow the chances of you personally being the victim of a violent crime are no higher than in Cork

Not sure if I agree with you there. Unfortunately there are plenty of pretty horendous examples of innocent people in Limerick having their lives dented and blighted by the problems of serious violence in the city from the 2 kids that got petrol bombed to Brian Fitzgerald to the families that have had to move out of Moyross, Southhill, etc to those that were told not to testify in criminal cases, to those others that were murdered by members of the crime families in unrelated incidents.
I really like Limerick but I always get into arguments with Limerick people about this issue when they say it doesn't affect the majority of law abiding citizens in the city no more than any other city. Unfortunately it does and you are more likely to be the victim of serious crime in Limerick above other cities evn if you have no connections to anything to do with the fueding.

anto1208

24/04/2008, 1:54 PM

Not sure if I agree with you there. Unfortunately there are plenty of pretty horendous examples of innocent people in Limerick having their lives dented and blighted by the problems of serious violence in the city from the 2 kids that got petrol bombed to Brian Fitzgerald to the families that have had to move out of Moyross, Southhill, etc to those that were told not to testify in criminal cases, to those others that were murdered by members of the crime families in unrelated incidents.
I really like Limerick but I always get into arguments with Limerick people about this issue when they say it doesn't affect the majority of law abiding citizens in the city no more than any other city. Unfortunately it does and you are more likely to be the victim of serious crime in Limerick above other cities evn if you have no connections to anything to do with the fueding.

Oh oh follow on now 4 pages of how wrong you are how stupid you are how you are ruining limerick like i got when i said the same thing :D

Allthough i dont think you are any more likely to be a victim in limerick than any other city id say its prob around the same chance. I was just saying there is a big chance that the crime you are victim to can be traced back to these gangs through a few degrees of seperation.

But what do i know im an idiot that judges people in hoodies. :)

jebus

24/04/2008, 2:17 PM

I really like Limerick but I always get into arguments with Limerick people about this issue when they say it doesn't affect the majority of law abiding citizens in the city no more than any other city. Unfortunately it does and you are more likely to be the victim of serious crime in Limerick above other cities evn if you have no connections to anything to do with the fueding.

Nonsense to be honest, having lived in Cork and Dublin as well as Limerick I can honestly say that there is equal, if not more, of a chance of someone starting on you in both those cities as there is in Limerick City. Neither myself or any of my family have ever been a victim of serious crime despite living literally down the road from one of streets commonly associated with the gangs

But what do i know im an idiot that judges people in hoodies. :)

Shhuuutttt uuppp :)

Roadend

24/04/2008, 3:44 PM

Limerickers taking the fued off the streets and onto the web.:p

anto1208

24/04/2008, 5:31 PM

Limerickers taking the fued off the streets and onto the web.:p

You may not have a higher chance of being a victim of crime in limerick but you do have a way higher chance of getting into an pointless argument about it ! ;)

GavinZac

24/04/2008, 5:47 PM

You may not have a higher chance of being a victim of crime in limerick but you do have a way higher chance of getting into an pointless argument about it ! ;)

Moyross is any thread jebus wades into :D

jebus

25/04/2008, 8:16 AM

Moyross is any thread jebus wades into :D

That's a bit harsh on Moyross isn't it :)

gael353

27/04/2008, 12:48 AM

The statistics which the CSO and the newspapers use are playing on the fact of Fianna Fail non activity in the boundry extension issue. Galway city has expanded many times to meet its needs and has a council housing est population of near 9%. Limerick "city" due to its restricted size by Fianna Fail* has a council est pop of 60% +)Limerick city, is split in 3. Limerick city council (which all the figures are taken from, pop 60,000) Limerick county council, pop 80,000 and that which exists in greater limerick city 30,000) and clare county council of what exists in greater Limerick 20,000+)

* if Willie got his finger out and expanded the city boundries to take in its population, Fianna Fail would lose one TD in west Limerick and one TD in Clare. Willies vote would increase to 40,000+ but his failure to transfer votes to other party members is why he never gets a big ministry. Fianna fail are happy to let Limerick "city" stagnate as long as they keep their quota of TDs.

So why did all the Limerick ppl move to Clare and County Limerick? Wel they didnt actually go, you see Clare county councilors (all of whom are property developers) built new houses (1000s of them) all along the citys borders. This ment that the population of clare rose and also its revenue as road tax now has to go to ennis, while the Limerick cities resources (bus and sewage) is strained by that of another county. Clare will not want to give up its land, not for land sake but for revenue sakes. Likewise Limerick County council who now have most of Limericks high rate payers in its environs. The amount of council ests within the greater Limerick city areas of Clare and County Limerick is under 10%.

Oh and Anto, you live in Clare not Limerick

Lionel Ritchie

27/04/2008, 7:32 AM

The statistics which the CSO and the newspapers use are playing on the fact of Fianna Fail non activity in the boundry extension issue.... ...is the correct answer (as Angus Deaton used say). Top post G353.

theworm2345

27/04/2008, 7:22 PM

Well, we have a 15.65 per 100,000 in Chicago

Lim till i die

28/04/2008, 1:01 PM

rebs23

28/04/2008, 3:02 PM

The statistics which the CSO and the newspapers use are playing on the fact of Fianna Fail non activity in the boundry extension issue. Galway city has expanded many times to meet its needs and has a council housing est population of near 9%. Limerick "city" due to its restricted size by Fianna Fail* has a council est pop of 60% +)Limerick city, is split in 3. Limerick city council (which all the figures are taken from, pop 60,000) Limerick county council, pop 80,000 and that which exists in greater limerick city 30,000) and clare county council of what exists in greater Limerick 20,000+)

Not sure what point you're trying to make as the CSO stats is for the Limerick Garda division includes the city and county. If the stats were for the Limerick urban area only they would be far higher as a per head of population basis as crime tends to be concentrated in the urban areas.

The only urban Garda divisions are those in Dublin and the one for Cork City. The comparisons would look a lot worse only for the fact that 83,000 people living in County Limerick are included with the 100,000 living in the city and it's environs for the purposes of the statistics. Have a read of them, Limerick Citys crime problems are therefore watered down statistically due to the inclusion of the country area of Limerick in the stats. I know they don't make for pleasant reading and I'm not slagging.
eg Rates for 2006
Murder 3.18 per 100,000 in Limerick City and County, Galway West 1.11, Cork City 1.38, Waterford/Kilkenny 2.16
Firearms Limerick City and County per 1,000 .69, Galway West .04, Cork City .10 and Waterford/Kilkenny .11
Aggravated Burglary again Lim .08, Galway .04, Cork .03
Criminal damage Lim 14.9, Galway 7.24, Cork City 12.13
Theft from person Lim 1.37, Galway .29, Cork City .79
Unauthorised taking of vehicle Lim 4.99, Galwway 2.05, cork 2.7
Burglary (not aggravated) Lim 6.37, Galway 4.9 Cork 4.11
Robbery of an estb or inst Lim .21, Galway .17 Cork .18
Remember all the above stats compare Limerick City and County with Galway West and Cork City.

and so on and so on. Sorry lads the stats don't lie

The discussion about the boundary issue, that is also a huge problem in Waterford, Dublin and Cork. None of the city boundaries in Ireland reflect the actual size of the cities except Galway.

pete

28/04/2008, 10:43 PM

eg Rates for 2006
Murder 3.18 per 100,000 in Limerick City and County, Galway West 1.11, Cork City 1.38, Waterford/Kilkenny 2.16
Firearms Limerick City and County per 1,000 .69, Galway West .04, Cork City .10 and Waterford/Kilkenny .11
Aggravated Burglary again Lim .08, Galway .04, Cork .03
Criminal damage Lim 14.9, Galway 7.24, Cork City 12.13
Theft from person Lim 1.37, Galway .29, Cork City .79
Unauthorised taking of vehicle Lim 4.99, Galway 2.05, cork 2.7
Burglary (not aggravated) Lim 6.37, Galway 4.9 Cork 4.11
Robbery of an estb or inst Lim .21, Galway .17 Cork .18
Remember all the above stats compare Limerick City and County with Galway West and Cork City.

and so on and so on. Sorry lads the stats don't lie

Some terrible numbers across basically every category. I am sure the serious crime numbers have gone up for 2007-08 too. The only possible mitigating factor could be that Limerick doesn't have a critical mass for say murder so that even a few extra deaths would skew the results however this would not be the case for "minor" crime.