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Réiteoir
17/04/2008, 11:44 AM
Sweet Buddha - you've swallowed the whole American right-wing 'we're in a war, Goddam it !' nonesense hook, line and trawler.... :o

Yet no doubt you'd be the first to claim 'The Troubloes' weren't a war.

You can rest easy at night though - safe in the knowledge that Osama Bin Laden doesn't even know where Norn Iron is... :)

He knows where it is - he's hiding in a cave just outside Aldergrove

A bit like some other people I know...

pól-dcfc
17/04/2008, 2:07 PM
And he'd be right, they were 'Troubles' not a war. Two armies were not engaged in conflict, two countries were not engaged in conflict - it as more a continuous uprising, a revolution, but certainly wasn't a war.
One side may believe it was a war against an occupying force (and I'd subscribe to that to be honest) but a war, in the purest (war? pure?) sense of the word it was not

I think you'd want to do some reading Boy.

Even the British authorities privately acknowledged that the Troubles was a war (as documented in minutes revealed under the 30 year rule on state secrets).

"Two countries were not engaged in a conflict" - so was the Irish Civil War also not a war? Was the American Civil War not a war?

Billy-Green
17/04/2008, 2:10 PM
How-ya lad's, Im new to this site but have been peeking my nose in for some time now. Im prity sure that this bloke http://www.sportsfile.com/fotoweb/Preview.fwx?position=32&archiveType=ImageFolder&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=(IPTC103%20contains%20S0804062)&fileId=294F5BF0F068A5E1863CAD52A05A9F6D9E25F84E5FE 7EE0879418E4C487F0EBA25114CA9BD078AFBBE326098DD83C BD4DF6128572D4CDE86EFCE9E7E0FFCE2470B45EE29910C45F DAB7CC4915C7C0EEF7F1F3C1A04A436F9B22DE9E4A595F23EA FD778DC3D77FCEA28F17AF26386C52B5AA22564D564D07714F A136BC8ECAB26

has that Stone Island badge on his left arm. This is normally worn by self proclaimed "hooligans" who attach themselves to clubs and create a "firm". I'd say this chap came down looking for trouble and was deterimed to get it regardless of it being with Pat's fans, the Garda or Linfield fans.

WoodquayBoy
17/04/2008, 2:13 PM
"Two countries were not engaged in a conflict" - so was the Irish Civil War also not a war? Was the American Civil War not a war?
Well, as the name suggests, they were actually. Maybe we should ditch the 'Troubles' tag and just call it the Northern/North of Ireland Civil War?
Anyway, you live there, I don't, so I respect the fact you are more au fait with the situation.

pól-dcfc
17/04/2008, 2:20 PM
Well, as the name suggests, they were actually. Maybe we should ditch the 'Troubles' tag and just call it the Northern/North of Ireland Civil War?
Anyway, you live there, I don't, so I respect the fact you are more au fait with the situation.

The Troubles is mush easier thanNorthern/North of/Occupied Six Counties of Ireland Civil War. ;)

And also, Nationalists wouldn't consider it a civil war at all, as the fight was against a percieved occupying force.

Calcio Jack
17/04/2008, 3:00 PM
The Troubles is mush easier thanNorthern/North of/Occupied Six Counties of Ireland Civil War. ;)

And also, Nationalists wouldn't consider it a civil war at all, as the fight was against a percieved occupying force.

I think your use of the word 'perceived' is sums it up perfectly...for some it was the Troubles etc. for others a War.... let's face it from 1939-1945 we in the Republic managed to survive the 'emergency' when the rest of the world was caught up in a World war!!

David
17/04/2008, 3:00 PM
How-ya lad's, Im new to this site but have been peeking my nose in for some time now. Im prity sure that this bloke http://www.sportsfile.com/fotoweb/Preview.fwx?position=32&archiveType=ImageFolder&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=(IPTC103%20contains%20S0804062)&fileId=294F5BF0F068A5E1863CAD52A05A9F6D9E25F84E5FE 7EE0879418E4C487F0EBA25114CA9BD078AFBBE326098DD83C BD4DF6128572D4CDE86EFCE9E7E0FFCE2470B45EE29910C45F DAB7CC4915C7C0EEF7F1F3C1A04A436F9B22DE9E4A595F23EA FD778DC3D77FCEA28F17AF26386C52B5AA22564D564D07714F A136BC8ECAB26

has that Stone Island badge on his left arm. This is normally worn by self proclaimed "hooligans" who attach themselves to clubs and create a "firm". I'd say this chap came down looking for trouble and was deterimed to get it regardless of it being with Pat's fans, the Garda or Linfield fans.

Picture is not showing up for me but if it is the guy with the bloodied face I can assure you he is not a self confessed hooligan and is a regular at Linfield games.

Billy-Green
17/04/2008, 3:32 PM
Picture is not showing up for me but if it is the guy with the bloodied face I can assure you he is not a self confessed hooligan and is a regular at Linfield games.

Fair enough, that was my perception anyway, i suppose i shouldnt tarnish the lad with the same brush as the rest of the "hooligans". That badge is associated with trouble makers so by displaying it he is open to be classed as one. Unfortunately there are plenty of regular trouble makers at alot of clubs.