Tardelli to have a look at Saints trio

[youngirish]

I'd warn anyone who views Fahey as being a reject to discount those theories. I know for fact that he asked to leave Arsenal (similar to McShane at United) due to Wengers purchasing (or attempted signing) of every top underage international midfielder at the time. Call it disillusioned if you will.
Yeah that's all very well and good but why did he fail at Aston Villa?

[Dodge]

Yeah that's all very well and good but why did he fail at Aston Villa?

because he can be arsehole at times.

Or at least he used to be. He's definitely matured

[Kingdom]

Yeah that's all very well and good but why did he fail at Aston Villa?

I'm not willing to say why, but someone alluded to earlier on that he's more mature now and his performances are starting to show that. Nothing more to add to that.

[tetsujin1979]

He certainly hasn't started 17 premiership games, I doubt that he has even played in 17 premiership games. 0 goals and golden oldie David Connoly also gets a call up. Brady doesn't eircom league players

NI had 3 Irish League players playing in their last win and they are ranked higher than us, while the EL is ranked higher than the IL
From http://www.chatsoccer.net/irishabroad/playerDetails.xquery?playerID=47075&seasonID=137
5 starts (3 at home, 2 away) - all but one in the Premiership, the other in the FA Cup
came off the bench 11 times (6 at home, 5 away), 16 appearances in total - all but one in the Premiership, the other in the League Cup

[Bluebeard]

Tardelli has gone on record as saying that if a player is good enough then he is good enough to be called up, regardless of the level of competition he plays at.
He has gone to the game, observed the players in question, lets wait and see.
I'd hope he would attend a few more LOI games.

I'm inclined to accept whatever Tardelli is likely to say, to be honest. I trust him to be honest and objective in his views, and not corrupted by years of the national broadcaster promoting the game in England and Scotland. My suspicion is that he will be the chief eye of Trappatoni, and I am hoping that he will be keeping an eye on the roots of the game in Ireland and at youth level. If he goes to one or two games involving top LOI clubs every month or so, I will not complain if no LOI player is called up.

And I think many LOI fans would be happy if there was an eye being cast over the league by those in charge. The problem is that we have always felt that the standard approach was to ignore the local game on the basis of the fact that it wasn't as lauded, or convenient, as in England - most of our managers since Jack have been based in England - with the exception of Kerr, they normally have never played in Ireland, Mick being the only one in our history, I think, to have played on the continent.

Indeed, following this on, I would like to know if it was advantage or disadvantage to ply your trade as a footballer on the continent almost as much as in Ireland? I seem to recall that Mick's book suggested that he moved back to England to stay in contention, Moran had a similar experience I think. Mick Robinson, and Ian Harte made far fewer appearances when playing in the best league in Europe at the time, and I seem to recall that when Cas was knocking goals in all around in France, he was continually falling behind in the pecking order to goalscorers of great renoun like Tommy Coyne and Niall "All fall down" Quinn. John Aldridge seemed to be the only one to be guaranteed a starting place while on the continent in Jack's time.

Hopefully, if not Brady or Trapp, at least Tardelli will make a few games here a year, and, as he said, if the players are good enough, then they get their chance. And if not, well, we start asking different questions.

[mypost]

Indeed, following this on, I would like to know if it was advantage or disadvantage to ply your trade as a footballer on the continent almost as much as in Ireland? I seem to recall that Mick's book suggested that he moved back to England to stay in contention, Moran had a similar experience I think. Mick Robinson, and Ian Harte made far fewer appearances when playing in the best league in Europe at the time, and I seem to recall that when Cas was knocking goals in all around in France, he was continually falling behind in the pecking order to goalscorers of great renoun like Tommy Coyne and Niall "All fall down" Quinn. John Aldridge seemed to be the only one to be guaranteed a starting place while on the continent in Jack's time.

Hopefully, if not Brady or Trapp, at least Tardelli will make a few games here a year, and, as he said, if the players are good enough, then they get their chance. And if not, well, we start asking different questions.

Ian Harte's match rate dropped sharply while he played for Levante.

Unfortunately, our bosses still see English leagues as the benchmark for playing international football. Anthony Stokes had to leave Falkirk in order to play for us. What I don't understand, is how can playing in lower leagues in England, qualify you to play for Ireland against the creme de la creme of European and World football?? They have next to no experience of European football with their clubs, yet then they're sent out to face Germany, France and co?? :confused::mad:

Unfortunately, Tardelli was only there last night to combat boredom. He wasn't looking at LOI players for possible squad selection anyway.

[eekers]

Indeed, following this on, I would like to know if it was advantage or disadvantage to ply your trade as a footballer on the continent almost as much as in Ireland? I seem to recall that Mick's book suggested that he moved back to England to stay in contention, Moran had a similar experience I think. Mick Robinson, and Ian Harte made far fewer appearances when playing in the best league in Europe at the time, and I seem to recall that when Cas was knocking goals in all around in France, he was continually falling behind in the pecking order to goalscorers of great renoun like Tommy Coyne and Niall "All fall down" Quinn. John Aldridge seemed to be the only one to be guaranteed a starting place while on the continent in Jack's time.


From what i remember playing in Holland didnt hamper David Connolly's selection at the time.

[Buller]

so your telling me he would have scored both those goals against manchester united?

there is a gap in standards lads dont deny it. of course the person whos marking you has a bearing on your touch if im playing in a sunday league game against 11 35 year old men my touch will be way better than if i was playing against 11 internationals

Funny how that wasnt the case for Kevin Doyle, Roy O'Donovon, Shane Long or Daryl Murphy...

[cavan_fan]

I'm sure there are players in the eircom league of sufficient potential to be in the squad. I'm even prepared to accept that the league is of suffcicient quality to prepare a player for the international squad.

My problem is that given the exodus of irish players to british clubs over the last few years you have to assume all the best ones have moved (apart from young up and coming guys). I dont quite understand why someone would move to Dunfermline or Barnet rather than play for e.g. Derry but the fact is that it appears anyone with any potential is picked up quite quickly. I also reckon the combined scouting network of British clubs is unlikely to misss players. Nick Hornby made a good point once that football's not like music; you dont have unnoticed geniuses languishing in obscurity, if you have football talent you will be given a chance.

So there may be breifly be a player that is good enough in the eircom league but as a general rule if after 2 years they are not playing in Britain then, unless they have decided to reject an offer, they are probably not good enough.

[osarusan]

So there may be breifly be a player that is good enough in the eircom league but as a general rule if after 2 years they are not playing in Britain then, unless they have decided to reject an offer, they are probably not good enough.
How does that work?

After 2 years they are worse then they were?

[cavan_fan]

No, after 2 years they will have been heavily scouted. If they have not been offered a contract by a British club then they are preumably less able than the swathes of other players being signed, some of whom are hardly setting the world alight.

[dynamo kerry]

I just think we should put out the best side regardless of who they play or what league they play in. If the new management come to the conclusion (after an objective consideration) that no LOI players are good enough for the international team then so be it - after all we all want to see the team win matches and to do so we need to put out our strongest side. I can't comment on the NI situation but there is a core of professional clubs in the LOI that potentially can provide players for the international squad and I think the future development of the league would be helped if it was known that league players are being considered for the international team.


ok it seems it was me who wasnt initially clear enough. I agree with you on all of your points and it's fair to say that if the guys in the LOI were northern Irish I think they'd get games for the north. alas not so for the south. which is hard to reconcile as the north are doing better than us. I don't have all the answers - no one does to that conundrum.

otherwise I agree with you totally - it would be a boost to see more LOI players in the squad/team and thats frustrating for the fans (us)

everyone comes at it from different ways but the result is the same.. we'd all like to have half a dozen guys playing at home that we could see on a regular basis in the league representing us internationally and doing well. it's just a shame it isn't happening as quick as we'd like.


On the continent: Cas and hartey werent really that high in regard when they went abroad and i think cas got more into the team towards the end of his career (brief indian summer). The real test is if a major player went abroad. didn't do brady, aldridge or stapo any harm.

if mcgeady or someone goes to spain I bet they'd still get a game for ireland.

[Billsthoughts]

I think fahey is a great player.anyone in any doubt should go down and watch him play. n fact I reckon he'd benifit from having better players round him. who cares if he isnt considered good enough to be in an Ireland squad. they have been atrocious for the best part of two years.