Another shambolic performance from England

[tricky_colour]

So much for fancy Italian managers!!!!!!!!!

[NeilMcD]

What the hall has this got to do with the Irish team.

[tricky_colour]

What the hall has this got to do with the Irish team.

Italian manager link ;)

[Greenforever]

So much for fancy Italian managers!!!!!!!!!

Who called Tra fancy:D

Post is defnitely in wrong thread

[Razors left peg]

so one Italian manager lost a game in Paris so all the rest of them must be crap too..... good logic mate!!!!!

[tricky_colour]

Not just one, one of the best. The creme de la creme.

[Razors left peg]

Not just one, one of the best. The creme de la creme.

and he lost one game, your point still make no sense

[Razors left peg]

Not just one, one of the best. The creme de la creme.
a fancy Spanish manager lost a game in Manchester last weekend and Fancy French Manager lost a game in London.... suppose by your logic all Spanish and French managers are crap too???

[Superhoops]

Why should anyone on here really care about England and their manager :confused:

[livehead1]

Why should anyone on here really care about England and their manager :confused:

Although in the wrong thread, a lot of people on here actually live in England and have to listen to the utter tripe that comes out of the media and the mouth's of england fans about how good their team is! Its lovely when time and time again they're quietened for a while!

[boovidge]

it wasnt really a "shambolic" performance anyway,just a typical one- dimensional and uninspired England team. I wished i'd watched the North's game now but i was tricked by the Sky Sports hype again :o

[FarBeag]

its got nothing to do with Ireland Italian manager or not so it should not be in here.

[Mayo_Bhoy]

it wasnt really a "shambolic" performance anyway,just a typical one- dimensional and uninspired England team. I wished i'd watched the North's game now but i was tricked by the Sky Sports hype again :o

You could always have swithced over:)

[cavan_fan]

There is a point here. No-one doubts Capello is a top manager but he's had 2 england friendlies so far and it's hard to see any great changes hes brought about. Given Trap has so few friendlies we need to be realistic about how much he can change.

[eirebhoy]

I only saw the 1st half before switching over to the Scotland match. England were the better team. They had more possession and the ball was mainly in the French half. Their movement was much better and they didn't look 2nd best for the first time in a long time away from home. Big improvement imo. Maybe they fell apart in the 2nd half though.

[NeilMcD]

Yeah they changed to a four four two and brought Crouch and Owen on and Downing too. So they did not keep possession and were done in midfield.

[OwlsFan]

Yeah they changed to a four four two and brought Crouch and Owen on and Downing too. So they did not keep possession and were done in midfield.

But didn't he also take off Gerrard and Rooney which might have more to do with it ?

[jebus]

How did Beckham get on?

[razor]

Anyone hear the abuse Djibril Cisse got when he came on for France?
What was that all about?

[shakermaker1982]

I didn't see the game (was at Emirates watching Brazil - twice in 2 months now!!!) but they got a lot of stick off the fans on the radio. Slow, one paced and lacking passion. Sounds like the Sven and McClaren era all over again.

[Dodge]

Anyone hear the abuse Djibril Cisse got when he came on for France?
What was that all about?

Its a Paris v Marseille thing.

[Sligo Hornet]

How did Beckham get on?

Just walked on ....like the rest of the players!;)

[eirebhoy]

I didn't see the game (was at Emirates watching Brazil - twice in 2 months now!!!) but they got a lot of stick off the fans on the radio. Slow, one paced and lacking passion. Sounds like the Sven and McClaren era all over again.
A Sven and McClaren team may have had the majority of possession away from home against the very worst teams in the world but never in a million years would their teams have the majority of possession against France in Paris. It was a big improvement from what I've seen which is plenty of England in recent years.

[jmurphyc]

I didn't see the England game but half watched the highlights on MOTD. Hansen was spot on in saying that England just don't have the personnel to play a passing game, which is what Capello is supposedly trying to do. Anyway, if Capello can't sort their problems out then it's difficult to see who can.

[DaveyCakes]

A Sven and McClaren team may have had the majority of possession away from home against the very worst teams in the world but never in a million years would their teams have the majority of possession against France in Paris. It was a big improvement from what I've seen which is plenty of England in recent years.

You can have all the possession in the world, but it'll do you no good if you can't use it to create scoring opportunities...

[Newryrep]

I didn't see the game (was at Emirates watching Brazil - twice in 2 months now!!!) but they got a lot of stick off the fans on the radio. Slow, one paced and lacking passion. Sounds like the Sven and McClaren era all over again.

How many were at the game ? and were they watching the match or the female fans from either side?

[eirebhoy]

You can have all the possession in the world, but it'll do you no good if you can't use it to create scoring opportunities...
From the 45 minutes I saw they were much more of an attacking threat than France. Ferdinand had a free header in the box, Gerrard decided to shoot when 1 on 1 with Thuram, Rooney had a header saved, Beckham was a foot away from putting the ball in the net when sliding onto a ball across the goal. France created nothing that I can remember other than the penalty.

Believe me, I wish it was the other way around as I've a good few quid on France for the Euros. As I said, I only saw the first half. Anyone that saw the full match will largely remember the 2nd half because from my experience opinions are usually 70-80% based on 2nd half performances. You could win motm on an excellent 2nd half performance and poor 1st half. No chance of winning motm if you reverse that.

A lot of pointless stuff posted there as I'm bored in work but it was a much better England performance in that 1st half then I've seen from them away from home in a long time.

[tricky_colour]

its got nothing to do with Ireland Italian manager or not so it should not be in here.

Yes it has, thats the whole point of the thread.

[jmurphyc]

Yes it has, thats the whole point of the thread.

How? Trapattoni and Capello are two completely different managers and England and Ireland are two different countries. It's been moved to the World Football forum and rightly so. England's result last night has absolutely nothing to do with us.

[tricky_colour]

How? Trapattoni and Capello are two completely different managers and England and Irelland are two different countries. It's been moved to the World Football forum and rightly so. England's result last night has absolutely nothing to do with us.

No it was a post about the suitability of Ireland choosing an Italian as a manager
of it's international football team. Can't understand what it is doing in here.

[DmanDmythDledge]

I didn't see the England game but half watched the highlights on MOTD. Hansen was spot on in saying that England just don't have the personnel to play a passing game, which is what Capello is supposedly trying to do. Anyway, if Capello can't sort their problems out then it's difficult to see who can.
Hansen and Graham Taylor mentioned that in their post match comments but don't think that's the case. Imagine a team of:

--------------James

Brown----Ferdinand----Terry------Cole

---------Carrick------Hargreaves

Bentley--------Rooney------J Cole

----------------Owen

I think in addition to that being England's strongest lineup available to them, it would allow Capello to play the passing games he wants effectively. I can't understand how he could leave Carrick out of the squad entirely when he is by far the most comfortable England midfielder with the ball at his feet.

[shakermaker1982]

if I was Capello I'd go down the Young/Agbonlahor route. Pace out wide, they aren't the finished article but it's surely worth a look - especially in a friendly game with nothing at stake. Too many of the doughnuts from previous failures at major tournaments remain in the side.

Let us pray their poor form continues :) Unfortunately Capello should turn things around and will make them a hard team to beat.

[Lim till i die]

Imagine a team of:

--------------James

Brown----Ferdinand----Terry------Cole

---------Carrick------Hargreaves

Bentley--------Rooney------J Cole

----------------Owen


Wes Brown is nowhere near good enough.

Ferdinand and Terry will be exposed time and again at the very highest level

Carrick is ludicrously over-rated.

Bentley, Rooney, J Cole is nowhere near as awe inspiring as the tabloids would have you believe.

And Michael Owen is finished.

[jebus]

Wes Brown is nowhere near good enough.

Ferdinand and Terry will be exposed time and again at the very highest level

Carrick is ludicrously over-rated.

Bentley, Rooney, J Cole is nowhere near as awe inspiring as the tabloids would have you believe.

And Michael Owen is finished.

And thats without mentioning Cashley, Calamity and Owen 'The Milky Bar Kid' Hargreaves :)

It's a poor team in fairness, no balance whatsoever

[DmanDmythDledge]

if I was Capello I'd go down the Young/Agbonlahor route. Pace out wide, they aren't the finished article but it's surely worth a look - especially in a friendly game with nothing at stake. Too many of the doughnuts from previous failures at major tournaments remain in the side.
I would agree with that. One problem with England is that they haven't had a player that is capable of exposing space behind their opponents defence.


Wes Brown is nowhere near good enough.

Ferdinand and Terry will be exposed time and again at the very highest level

Carrick is ludicrously over-rated.

Bentley, Rooney, J Cole is nowhere near as awe inspiring as the tabloids would have you believe.

And Michael Owen is finished.
Don't think Wes Brown is great myself but he's the best of a slightly above average bunch of right backs at the moment.

Ferdinand has done it at the highest level, was excellent in two world cups and has been the best centre back in Europe this season. Terry would be slightly dodgy but I think he would be comfortable with Rio beside him and protection from the midfield.

We've been thorugh Carrick before (;))- how anyone doesn't rate him beggars belief. I think if we were exposed to as much La Liga/Serie A/whatever most people would rate him. Players of his style get virtual no credit in England.

Don't care what the tabloids think, I've made my opinions based on watching them play.

Owen isn't doing amazing at the moment, although I think he will be back on form next season if he gets a good pre-season under his bealt. Nobody can deny that if he is at the top of his game he is a world class goalscorer.


It's a poor team in fairness, no balance whatsoever
Care to suggest why? I can't issue a response until you share your thoughts. :)

[feo123]

fact is england played alright in the first half yesterday, away from home to a good side like the french, they couldnt do an awful lot more. reading some of the posts on here really shows how anti english almost everyone on the site are.

[eirebhoy]

No it was a post about the suitability of Ireland choosing an Italian as a manager
of it's international football team. Can't understand what it is doing in here.
This didn't do you any favours:
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=77155&page=2

If you wanted it kept in the Ireland forum then you could have opened the thread with a better post. Then it wouldn't just turn into a discussion on England.

[gustavo]

No it was a post about the suitability of Ireland choosing an Italian as a manager
of it's international football team. Can't understand what it is doing in here.
Bullcrap
:rolleyes:

[osarusan]

No it was a post about the suitability of Ireland choosing an Italian as a manager
of it's international football team.
That might make sense if we shared the same manager, or if all Italian managers has similar traits, or if Capello and Trapattoni shared similar management philosophies, or in fact, if there was anything that hinted that results involving Capello and England might give us any indication of how Trapattoni would perform as Irish manager........but there isn't.

[OwlsFan]

For those who are already having a dig at Trappatoni, perhaps they might tell us what better manager was on offer?

[jebus]

For those who are already having a dig at Trappatoni, perhaps they might tell us what better manager was on offer?

Honestly, they seem to be intent on taking the term 'Irish whingebag' into a whole new stratosphere

[Lim till i die]

Don't think Wes Brown is great myself but he's the best of a slightly above average bunch of right backs at the moment.

Ferdinand has done it at the highest level, was excellent in two world cups and has been the best centre back in Europe this season. Terry would be slightly dodgy but I think he would be comfortable with Rio beside him and protection from the midfield.

We've been thorugh Carrick before (;))- how anyone doesn't rate him beggars belief. I think if we were exposed to as much La Liga/Serie A/whatever most people would rate him. Players of his style get virtual no credit in England.


Man United fan by any chance?? :)

[feo123]

Man United fan by any chance?? :)

sure you always have something negative to say anyway, typical irishmans attitude to england and man united.

[osarusan]

sure you always have something negative to say anyway, typical irishmans attitude to england and man united.

I'd say that your support of Man Utd is more typical of the Irishman than his.

[feo123]

I'd say that your support of Man Utd is more typical of the Irishman than his.

how would that be?

[osarusan]

how would that be?

Given the thousands upon thousands of Man United fans on the emerald isle, compared with the relatively small attendances at eL games, I'd say that your attitude to English football is more typical than his.

[feo123]

we'd all love if our national side were as good as the english one though

[NeilMcD]

Just watching Carrick here he is clearly showing up Barry for being an average player. I am not quite sure how Carrick does not get in that team ahead of Barry. Carrick has been class against Villa.

[shakermaker1982]

Just watching Carrick here he is clearly showing up Barry for being an average player. I am not quite sure how Carrick does not get in that team ahead of Barry. Carrick has been class against Villa.

Carrick has really come on leaps and bounds at United over the last 3 months, a much improved player from last season. I was a little sceptical at first as to whether he could make the step up into the 'big time' but he is starting to impress in his 2nd season.

Man Utd were outstanding today, the movement from their front 3....... when they are on form they are a sight to see.

[feo123]

carrick was brilliant again today, as was scholes. both of them dictated the play. carrick's probably my favourite united player now, love his style of football