Paul Doolin [Archive]

pete

25/03/2008, 12:47 PM

D.U.F.C Daire

25/03/2008, 1:05 PM

As opposed to Alan 'We've got great players' Matthews?:p

Boo_Boy

25/03/2008, 1:20 PM

As opposed to Alan 'We've got great players' Matthews?:p

lol :D

JC_GUFC

25/03/2008, 1:52 PM

It's like anything Pete - they're all out to get him! ;)

WoodquayBoy

25/03/2008, 2:19 PM

As opposed to Alan 'We've got great players' Matthews?:p

Or Tony 'I'm delighted with the character the lads are showing' Cousins?

Dodge

25/03/2008, 2:20 PM

In fairness to Pete, Doolin's been like that for a while now. Even when they won the league he had a chip on his shoulder about it.

ndrog

25/03/2008, 2:26 PM

Doolin is like that because he feels like the team is constantly being criticised for one thing or another .Hes won four trophies in a short space of time and we are still constantly slagged off for spending money ,for defensive tactics etc .Weve lost one game and the negativity by the media is ridiculous . Weve upset the established football elite in this country and they dont like it :D

Dodge

25/03/2008, 2:40 PM

pineapple stu

25/03/2008, 4:13 PM

Even when they won the league he had a chip on his shoulder about it.
Even when he took us down, he had a chip on his shoulder about it. It was Pete Mahon's fault somehow, despite what the nasty media would have you believe. He did a brilliant job.

ndrog

25/03/2008, 4:21 PM

There is no football elite. The biggest clubs in the country are Rovers and Dundalk and they've been in the doldrums for years.

And Drogheda have spent tons of money, and do play defensive football. No reason for Doolin to feel hard done by those comments.

He has taken a yo yo club and turned them into champions in the space of a few years . He spent money but so what , he also brought lots of players into the club for free , players who were returning from the uk etc .He has done a great job here and gets nothing but slagged and negativity from other clubs and the media . He has a chip on his shoulder but is that not a good thing for a manager these days ?

Longfordian

25/03/2008, 5:34 PM

He spent money but so what , he also brought lots of players into the club for free , players who were returning from the uk etc .He has done a great job here and gets nothing but slagged and negativity from other clubs and the media . He has a chip on his shoulder but is that not a good thing for a manager these days ?

90% of transfers within the EL and into the EL are for nothing, that's no great claim. He's had an awful lot of money to spend on wages as well as paying large fees when he has to, such as 55k for Barrett, another 50 or so for Zayed etc. He's doing no better than he should be expected to do in my opinion. As regards the chip on his shoulder, I know people who have met him and one or two who played with him. He's a bit miserable by nature by all accounts.

GavinZac

25/03/2008, 5:38 PM

Can't stand the man. I'd love to see someone like Richardson take charge of the squad and resources he has, the league would be taking an immediate step forward in outsiders' estimations.

Celdrog

25/03/2008, 6:46 PM

Can't stand the manI'd say the feelings mutual. All the Drogs I know can't stand you so I assume Doolo would be the same.

Rovers1

25/03/2008, 7:55 PM

Never had much of an opinion of him, but Cookie told us he literally rang him every week asking what the latest is on Faz. Putting his offer up by €100's every time, when he knew a bid of at least €80,000-€100,000 would work, and only making it to €40,000!

Cosmo

25/03/2008, 8:24 PM

Does any one else see him as the most insecure manager? In almost every interview he seems to feel he has to defend himself.

Matthews hasnt come across as very secure with cork so far this season - reckon he'll be the winner of your special award this season!

As for doolin - hes under no pressure from the board of DUFC even when we went through s*** spells (or never was regadless of what people on here want to believe). That is a fact

Longfordian

25/03/2008, 8:45 PM

It's a bit different for Mathews though. He's just starting with Cork but Doolin should be a bit more sanguine about things by now, given that as you say he's not under pressure from his board. Whether he should be under pressure or not is for another day.

WindmillWarrior

25/03/2008, 8:51 PM

Siege mentality innit. All managers do it. Jaysus lads, its not rocket science.

pete

25/03/2008, 9:02 PM

I know he has been going on like this for a while now but I thought he might ease up with the moaning one he had actually won the league. He doesn't have to answer every question saying everyone out to get him.

Matthews is new so can't judge him yet.

Risteard

25/03/2008, 9:03 PM

I hate watching Drogheda but tbh I think he's perfect for them and Rico wouldn't suit them at all. Their players are more imposing physically, than skilfully and he makes the most of that. I still think they'd be much more formidable if they kept on to Fahey or bought Georgie though.

saint morrissey

25/03/2008, 9:19 PM

i genuinely have noticed this. win lose or draw he always claims there was only one team on the park etc etc. i really thought it a bit pathetic a couple of weeks ago when he said that the rovers goal was only a mi**** and thats how they lost. hes probably only a bit more defensive than the average manager would be in his position though, money and pressure are highly correlated in football. he would have been the subject of a lot of speculation if they didnt win the league last year and he will be again this year if they dont at least go very close. im sure some drogs fans may suggest that his position is very safe but that never stopped speculation in the past.

DmanDmythDledge

25/03/2008, 10:08 PM

It will be interesting to see what sort of pressure he will be under when they finish outside of the top 3 at the end of the season.

Risteard

25/03/2008, 11:00 PM

ciaraa

26/03/2008, 12:37 AM

They won't.
In fairness I don't know where that idea is coming from but it seems to be very prominent.
Whatever about their likelihood of getting a few too many draws, I can't see them losing enough games for them to fall to third, never mind fourth.

can see it myself. seems to be a better standard of league this year so far so I can see them finishing outside top 4 if injuries occur.
nearly everyone you talk to that has had dealings with doolin will say the same thing about the man. dont need me to repeat them but you can guess what the general opinion is. tactically, for every sami he has signed there is a glen fitzpatrick and he has an annoying habit of perservering with lost causes. also, playing for (hanging on for?) 1-0 wins at home to ucd isnt exactly the kind of thing to entice passive supporters to part with their hard earned euros. i'd rather richardson as manager any day of the week - if he kept his mouth shut that is!! ;)

A face

26/03/2008, 9:20 PM

I am sure I will be accused of a wind up but here goes anyway...

Does any one else see him as the most insecure manager? In almost every interview he seems to feel he has to defend himself & have a cut of unknown forces.

I would have thought once he won the league he would be more secure...

I'll be honest i never even noticed him before he went to Drogs and initially not even that much.

I think his defensive 'everyone is out to get me' stance is actually guilt. He has had huge resources available to him and fans and board that will stick with him no matter what he does. He must recognise this himself, knows how he has underachieved and guilt is tearing him up because of it.

ndrog

26/03/2008, 11:33 PM

I'll be honest i never even noticed him before he went to Drogs and initially not even that much.

I think his defensive 'everyone is out to get me' stance is actually guilt. He has had huge resources available to him and fans and board that will stick with him no matter what he does. He must recognise this himself, knows how he has underachieved and guilt is tearing him up because of it.

Absolute classic cork nonsense .How do you under achieve by winning stuff FFS .He has taken us from 2nd from bottom to the leauge title .What guilt ? he was brought in to do a job and he has done it really well .You really are a sad bunch coming out with this nonsense .He aint gonna win any popularity contests , and hes not exactly mister personality , but we dont care as long as we are winning .That afterall is the whole point is it not . Stupidest post in a long time A face :eek:

DmanDmythDledge

27/03/2008, 12:13 AM

How do you under achieve by winning stuff FFS .
Drogheda had the best squad in the Premier last season by some distance. A seven point margin to second place, unconvincing performances, playing hoofball with quality players did not represent the strength of players at Drogheda. If it wasn't for a midseason blip by Pats they would have won the league. Last season was also one of the weakest in a number of years which also made it easier for Doolo.

He has taken us from 2nd from bottom to the leauge title .
With the same players? None of your squad from the '04 season played an important role for Drogheda last season (one if you count Fabio, though he was injured). He's a cheque book manager, nothing else, who has the tactical nous of a chimpanzee.

but we dont care as long as we are winning .That afterall is the whole point is it not .
Exactly. Hard luck this season.

WindmillWarrior

27/03/2008, 8:00 AM

dorts123

27/03/2008, 8:46 AM

Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!!!:cool:

Larry 'da' Wyse

27/03/2008, 8:46 AM

Siege mentality innit. All managers do it. Jaysus lads, its not rocket science.

Exactly. Doolin and Scully are masters at it (in the meeja anyway)

Jaime

27/03/2008, 10:12 AM

Drogheda had the best squad in the Premier last season by some distance. A seven point margin to second place, unconvincing performances, playing hoofball with quality players did not represent the strength of players at Drogheda.

To fully, 100% represent the "strength of his players", he would have to be the perfect manager, and the players' performance would never be allowed to dip below 100% peak performance - in the league, cup, league cup, and Europe. Do you believe a perfect manager exists, and do you believe the perfect footballers exist? We play in a **** league where the majority of the teams are ****. The players are ****, and they're physical on top of that. The most physically strong team will usually win the league, and last season that was Drogheda.

A face

27/03/2008, 10:24 AM

Drogheda had the best squad in the Premier last season by some distance. A seven point margin to second place, unconvincing performances, playing hoofball with quality players did not represent the strength of players at Drogheda. If it wasn't for a midseason blip by Pats they would have won the league. Last season was also one of the weakest in a number of years which also made it easier for Doolo.

With the same players? None of your squad from the '04 season played an important role for Drogheda last season (one if you count Fabio, though he was injured). He's a cheque book manager, nothing else, who has the tactical nous of a chimpanzee.

Exactly. Hard luck this season.

What he said, although i wouldn't have been as clear cut about it. I would have worded it more diplomatically but the semantics would have been the same.

Think about it, he arguably has not achieved what he should have given the resources he has had. Even though its the best Drogs had got in years/ever its still falls short of what actually should have happened given the spend. I think Doolin understands this and is guilty because of it.

I dont know am i wording it right, but i think its a natural reaction given the situation he is in.

Dodge

27/03/2008, 10:27 AM

But the most physical team doesn't always win the league. Cork were certainly not physical when they won the league, and 1 or 2 of the Pats teams weren't either. (SOme of them were)

A face

27/03/2008, 10:29 AM

To fully, 100% represent the "strength of his players", he would have to be the perfect manager, and the players' performance would never be allowed to dip below 100% peak performance - in the league, cup, league cup, and Europe. Do you believe a perfect manager exists, and do you believe the perfect footballers exist? We play in a **** league where the majority of the teams are ****. The players are ****, and they're physical on top of that. The most physically strong team will usually win the league, and last season that was Drogheda.

Cork City weren't physically strong in 2005, far from it. It was pure skill and ability that won us the league by the biggest points tally in years. If anything Derry coming second that year were far bigger and stronger than City.

Mr A

27/03/2008, 10:45 AM

I remember a St James Gate Team that were built like, and to some extent played like, professional wrestlers. Not only did they not win the league, they finished near the bottom of the first division.

Celdrog

27/03/2008, 10:52 AM

Cork City weren't physically strong in 2005, far from it. It was pure skill and ability that won us the league by the biggest points tally in years. If anything Derry coming second that year were far bigger and stronger than City.
Well then Doolin must have super achieved. We won the league by 7 points, wrapped up with three games to go - you won it by 2 on the last day of the season in 2005.
Not bad by Doolin for a bunch of underachieving hoofball clubbers. Pure fluke the 2006 Setanta cup was, as was the 2007 Setanta cup and the FAI cup where Cork forgot to turn up.

micls

27/03/2008, 10:54 AM

Well then Doolin must have super achieved. We won the league by 7 points, wrapped up with three games to go - you won it by 2 on the last day of the season in 2005.
Not bad by Doolin for a bunch of underachieving hoofball clubbers. .

:confused: You didnt beat our points tally last year, despite it being a lower standard league.....

You didnt beat Derry's points tally of that year either.

Celdrog

27/03/2008, 11:04 AM

:confused: You didnt beat our points tally last year, despite it being a lower standard league.....
You didnt beat Derry's points tally of that year either.
Tell me something - who decided it was a lower standard league last season?

micls

27/03/2008, 11:07 AM

Tell me something - who decided it was a lower standard league last season?

That would be the supporters(all bar Drogheda fans) who have watched the league for many many years and have the ability to compare them.

As well as many players during the course of the year, most of which annoyed their team wasnt doing better in a poor league.

But if Drogheda fans want to believe it wasn't a poorer league than the years gone before fine.

However it wouldnt make any sense for me and other fans to say this if it wasnt true. It only reflects badly on our clubs. Ffs we could only finish 4th in a ****e league, its hardly something to brag about

pete

27/03/2008, 11:10 AM

With all his resources Doolin achieved what was expected last season. Getting a draw way to San Marino team in the Uefa Cup was a blot on his record.

Realistically expectation will be to be in with chance of winning the league right up to the end of the season. Also have to get past 1st qualifying round in CL so will be significant pressure there. He would probably get credit if he retains the league this year as hard thing to do even with such a large squad.

He does seem to have an addiction to signing forwards - O'Brien, Bates, Zayed, Grant, O'Keeffe, Barrett, Senegal lad. Could argue Barrett a wide midfielder but the other 6 are all out & out forwards.

Celdrog

27/03/2008, 11:36 AM

That would be the supporters(all bar Drogheda fans) who have watched the league for many many years and have the ability to compare them.
It was a very poor standard in 2005. Dreadful actually.
Does that statement make it true.

Was the Setanta cup poor in 2006 / 2007 because we won it. Was the FAI cup final in 2005 poor becaue we made the greatest league champions ever look ordinary.

Is this year's better than last, than 2005, than 1986

micls

27/03/2008, 11:40 AM

It was a very poor standard in 2005. Dreadful actually.
Does that statement make it true.

So you dont see the difference between one fan saying it, and the vast majority of fans plus some players saying it......Ok then

Was the Setanta cup poor in 2006 / 2007 because we won it. Was the FAI cup final in 2005 poor becaue we made the greatest league champions ever look ordinary
No. I thought it was a great cup with some excellent games. You see you're completely missing the point. As much as you'd like it to be this is absolutely nothing got to so with Drogheda.

If Pats had won it it would still have been a poor league, for everyone bar their fans, If we'd won it it would still have been a poor league, for everyone bar our fans. Would I have cared? No but that doesnt mean it wouldnt have been a poor league
.

Is this year's better than last, than 2005, than 1986

No idea. I'll tell you when there's a bit more of it played.

ndrog

27/03/2008, 11:56 AM

Drogheda had the best squad in the Premier last season by some distance. A seven point margin to second place, unconvincing performances, playing hoofball with quality players did not represent the strength of players at Drogheda. If it wasn't for a midseason blip by Pats they would have won the league. Last season was also one of the weakest in a number of years which also made it easier for Doolo.

With the same players? None of your squad from the '04 season played an important role for Drogheda last season (one if you count Fabio, though he was injured). He's a cheque book manager, nothing else, who has the tactical nous of a chimpanzee.

Exactly. Hard luck this season.

We won the leauge by 7 points with 3 games to go , so inevitably players are gonna take there foot off the gas for the last 3 games . We had some unconvincing performances during the season and also some fantastic ones , we played our nearest rivals st pats off the park in Drogheda .Show me a team who wins the leauge and dosent play poorly on occasion during the season . Hoofball me bolliix ?

SunderlandBohs

27/03/2008, 11:56 AM

Yes Doolin spend a lot of money at Drogheda Utd. His budget was greater than anyone else in the league over the past few years. And yes his Drogheda team won probably the poorest Premier Division in a long time. But that doen't mean Doolin is a bad manager! Remember he didn't do a bad job at UCD with no money. Four trophies in five years is a good return for any manager. Yes he plays boring long ball football but it works for his team. It mightn't work at a big club like Bohs, Cork City, Derry City, Rovers or Pat's were the standard is higher. But it works for Drogheda. Doolin can't go out and buy the league but he can go out and buy the players to win it for him. He's not a great manager but he's not a bad one either.

Schumi

27/03/2008, 1:02 PM

he didn't do a bad job at UCD with no money.
Yes he did. He relegated us in 2003, for the only time in our last 12 premier division seasons. We lost our first 7 games that year and got 1 point from our first 9 games. After 20 games, when he left for Drogheda, we had 12. At the end of the season, we had 34. The results under Pete Mahon would have had us comfortably in the top half so the early season performances can't be blamed on poor players.

SunderlandBohs

27/03/2008, 1:10 PM

Yes he did. He relegated us in 2003, for the only time in our last 12 premier division seasons. We lost our first 7 games that year and got 1 point from our first 9 games. After 20 games, when he left for Drogheda, we had 12. At the end of the season, we had 34. The results under Pete Mahon would have had us comfortably in the top half so the early season performances can't be blamed on poor players.

Sorry Schumi, my mistake. Maybe I should done some research on Doolin's time at UCD. Did he not get you into Europe? The Intertoto cup? It was bad form when he left UCD for Drogheda. It was like the captain leaving the sinking ship.

pineapple stu

27/03/2008, 1:12 PM

Nope, Martin Moran got us into the InterToto.

Doolin took over the following year and, at the end of his two and a half year spell, we were scratching U-21 games. I think that says more about the way Doolin ran things than anything else. Oh, and he subsequently remained adamant he didn't get us relegated. Sure he's never gotten a team relegated. :rolleyes:

Schumi

27/03/2008, 1:32 PM

Oh, and he subsequently remained adamant he didn't get us relegated. Sure he's never gotten a team relegated. :rolleyes:Him and Roddy. :)

WindmillWarrior

27/03/2008, 1:36 PM

It mightn't work at a big club like Bohs, .

Yeah, the football was great from Bohs last season wasn't it! :rolleyes:

John83

27/03/2008, 1:42 PM