St. Pats V Rovers - Game 1 (3-1) [Archive] - Page 3

brianw82

08/03/2008, 10:18 AM

And the craic with the kits was shocking. A professional league, and ****e like that happens. Joke.

Surely it should be on Pats to change their jersey's as their the home side.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the AWAY team that changes their kit if it clashes? Pats have been wearing red and white for years, if we had brought last season's black kit it would've been fine. Although to be honest, I thought the delay was because there were so many queing to get their tickets at 7.45, including me!

Regarding the game, I didn't think we played too bad CONSIDERING it was quite a makeshift defence. Some of the goals were right howlers. I think having Peers back will make a difference. I'd like to see our centre backs be more composed on the ball and play it out, like O'Cearuill is for Pats. Murphy wears his heart on his sleeve and gives 110%, which I like. Moore should become more influential, and his passing qualities were evident - I was disappointed to see him taken off when we were chasing the game as I think he would've steadied the ship a bit. Boco has skill but needs a more defined role. Left side of the team didn't do much, as others have said. We could've done with a more nippy forward that could run behind the defence last night, Faz isn't that type of player.

We have to remember that we have a tough start to the league - even the Pats fans that I walked to the game with were offering their sympathies for that!

Rovers fan

08/03/2008, 10:25 AM

A huge dissapointment, but at half time I feared the worst.We played too deep, didn't put enough pressure on pats and when we got the ball we gave it back to them by hoofing it clear, which just brought even more pressure on ourselves. Jennings is a good shot stopper and made a few great saves but he looks very shaky under the high ball. I didn't think mauro was too bad. We were always going to struggle without peers imo,he holds our defence together. The thing is pats scored their goals due to 3 defensive errors and thats why its so frustrating. We really need to get a few points against drogs and bohs but with coleman,peers and hopefully brush back I think we can.

feo123

08/03/2008, 12:50 PM

don't be going over board on the critisism after one game.

sligoman

08/03/2008, 1:04 PM

Jennings really is a huge liability(fixing at the toilet roll on his goal as Pat's attacked for the 1st goal:confused:), which we already knew. At least Cookie now knows this too and Brush is starting on Saturday. 4-5-1 formation wasn't working, you could see that clearly but Cook never changed it, which I am a bit surprised about. As someone said, I know Faz was on his own up front but he didn't really try and chase the ball down when the Pat's defence were passing it about, he really should have been in putting the pressure on them. Hopefully Cook will have learned from last night and it won't happen again.
wasn't it you that told me last night that boco is over rated and you think we'll be relegated this year!?:confused:No.

clubman

08/03/2008, 1:17 PM

Fair enough, was told differently. Point remains about our kit being the same for ever (its EXACTLY the same as last years too)

I have to agree with Dodge, Pats have been very consistant with their colours for as long as I can remember and that's a while. Truthfully, I did envisage a problem yesterday when I hear we'd be playing in white. Pats have always had white sleeves therefore a problem. Surprised our kit supplier didn't remember this as he had a spell in the Pats colours. The real winner last night was Paddy Power whom will get 'EXTRA' coverage next Monday night on TV. Thought we looked good in their gear though. I thought it funny that Anto Murphy's first competitive game for us was played in Pat's colours.
Colours aside overall I thought we did fairly well. Leaving Inchicore a disappointed man was something I wasn't expecting as I drove up there. Truthfully I thought we'd be tanked. Pats are a decent side and will be there or thereabouts at the end of this long campaign. Going forward and running at the Pats defence made them look very vunerable. They didn't feel comfortable one little bit. When we went one up we dropped off and I got the feeling it was a case of job done now lets relax. We simply weren't strong enough defencably to let them come at us and this was where we went wrong. The closing stages of the first half the writing was on the wall for us and I knew it would be a long second half and it was.
Jennings fair play to him kept us in it prior to the break with a couple of brilliant stops unfortunately his indecision cost us for two of their goals. From a Pats point of view they were three fine goals and very well taken. We showed we can play football but it won't be like that every week as the Showgrounds Field will murder us and it's all good and well saying the opposition won't play either but we have to us the field every second game which is a punishment we could do without.
As a couple of members to this board has already said it's early days yet so we'll hold our heads up ald plod along. We have a couple of tough ones now coming up but hey we'll be a better team when we get through them. Oh and well done to the travelling support last night, as always you made the club proud. Also well done to Pats, always have had a great time for the Inchicore Reds as this was where I made my debut as a travelling Bit O Red and I always love going back there, a friendlier club there's not in the Eircom League.

sligoman

08/03/2008, 1:39 PM

I always love going back there, a friendlier club there's not in the Eircom League.Maybe if you're a board member in a private section?

Lots of annoying kids running about outside and fighting with each other where the actual fans were standing.

neutrino

08/03/2008, 1:42 PM

oh well the season has started and thought at one point we'd sneak at least a point out of Richmond. A superb lesson in self implosion - are keepers who can come from crosses and dominate their area so rare than we cant find one - our keepers recently have all been good shot stoppers but cant remember the last time we had an all round strong keeper. Two poor decisions from Jennings cost us last night, along with an embarassing mistake from Murphy. We looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights for long periods of the game - just watching st pats knock it about as we defended from a far far too deep position.

I thought Doherty was hugely disapointing and showed no interest in the game at all. Had high hopes for him but if you show no appetite for getting stuck in then all the ability in the world will do you no good. Moore doesnt look to have the legs - midfield was very dissapointing and all over the place. Would prob play Boco up front after last night or just behind attack- technically brilliant player but we'd need someone better than O'Grady in midfield to do the donkey work to cover for Boco. Raf looked good and did all he could - not many players can say that on their performance. But we'll move on, and hopefully learn from last night - We need to go at Droghs next week and up the work rate. We have good players but they prob just need time to click along with their fitness improving.

The kit colllision was a farce and made rovers look less than amateur. Was said during the week to bring the 3 kits but whoever was in charge of kits decided a 3rd wasnt needed. We can say all we want about a white kit but it's the refs perogative to decide whether colours clash.

Roll on next week !!

Red4Eva

08/03/2008, 2:13 PM

drop jennings now before he costs us anymore games! thought doherty was woeful. raf, jamie and conor were good but pretty average from everyone else. no point in been too critical though cos our 2 best players were suspended and we didn't have a proper pre-season. hopefully we can get 2 points from next 2 games and take it from there

Rovers1

08/03/2008, 2:33 PM

, a friendlier club there's not in the Eircom League.
:confused:
Have you been in Inchicore before?, between Pats fans throwing bottles, having our flags stolen and being threatened outside the ground. Always hated going there, and definetly wouldnt call it near to friendly!

sligoman

08/03/2008, 2:35 PM

:confused:
Have you been in Inchicore before?, between Pats fans throwing bottles, having our flags stolen and being threatened outside the ground. Always hated going there, and definetly wouldnt call it near to friendly!Yeah but what he's saying may be true though, the members area is very nice indeed...how were those prawn sandwiches clubman?;)

Rovers1

08/03/2008, 2:36 PM

If you only knew about the Cork away trip last season avvenalaf!! :eek: :D

just coz we wouldnt let you join in jeebus! :rolleyes:

Rovers1

08/03/2008, 2:37 PM

Rovers1 comes out !!!!!!!!!!

eh...old news! :rolleyes:

clubman

08/03/2008, 2:38 PM

Maybe if you're a board member in a private section?

Lots of annoying kids running about outside and fighting with each other where the actual fans were standing.

Apologies but I don't know what was going on outside as I was inside watching the game.
If there were any board members in my vicinity they were holding flags.
Get a life sligoman and leave the children be.

forza rovers

08/03/2008, 2:40 PM

Apologies but I don't know what was going on outside as I was inside watching the game.
If there were any board members in my vicinity they were holding flags.
Get a life sligoman and leave the children be.inside:confused:

sligoman

08/03/2008, 2:40 PM

clubman

08/03/2008, 2:45 PM

Leave the children be? Why, what did I do? Bottles were thrown, flag stolen, little kids beating each other outside...yet you felt very welcome:rolleyes:

Try going to Flancare Park if you want hospitality:)

Why you so concerned what went on outside?
Do you blame the good folk of Inchicore for what goes on outside their stadium.
Come on lighten up!

sligoman

08/03/2008, 2:47 PM

Why you so concerned what went on outside?
Do you blame the good folk of Inchicore for what goes on outside their stadium.
Come on lighten up!Why shouldn't I be concerned as to what goes on outside when I have to stand out there for nearly an hour before the gates opened? Gates didn't open til around 19:15/19:20 when game was due to k/o at 19:45 which was ridiculous, and yes I do blame Pat's for letting the kids run around with the stewards just standing around.

Rovers1

08/03/2008, 3:18 PM

Why you so concerned what went on outside?
Do you blame the good folk of Inchicore for what goes on outside their stadium.

Well it is THEIR stadium isnt it?

deecay

08/03/2008, 3:26 PM

Why you so concerned what went on outside?
Do you blame the good folk of Inchicore for what goes on outside their stadium.
Come on lighten up!
Good folk?The ones in suits and families might be,3 flags robbed,2 were got back.I had mine robbed,not a great feeling.Schoolies everywhere,in the away section,outside fighting when we were queing up,trying to start fights after the game.

And also is great to see some board/formar board members think they are beter than the ordinary fan.Skipping the que for tickets

Saint MacDara

08/03/2008, 3:34 PM

Well it is THEIR stadium isnt it?

We dont own Emmet Road and the entire Inchicore area yet ;)

As you know it's a police matter anything that goes on outside the ground.

Rovers1

08/03/2008, 3:53 PM

oh right Dara didnt know ye didnt own Richmond ???

but what im saying is if something happens outside Richmond, then its inevitable that an "element" of Pats fans will be the first ot have the finger pointed at. Same would happen up here with us, or any LOI ground.

Saint MacDara

08/03/2008, 4:25 PM

I know but what exactly can the club do about it?

DocRovers

08/03/2008, 5:02 PM

Jennnings was poor for first & very poor for second. Thought the defense had no confidence in his decision making by the end - he is not the answer. Big problem was that we were overrun in the middle of the field all night. Conor does not cover box to box & Boco does'nt win the ball - didnt get up to help Faz & overall I was disappointed in him last night. If we dont get that sorted we are in BIG trouble, we just cant expect to be competitive without more physicality there. Turner or Hughsie please come back !!

On the positive side - Almeida very good, definitely fouled for the third goal. Jaime did well, thought Butler was good defensively (they took off Ryan) but agree Doherty needs to improve. Hate to be negative but thought defense overall was'nt bad & returning players wont sort out the midfield.

brianw82

08/03/2008, 8:04 PM

Just as an FYI, the clash of colours made the front page of the Independent's sports section today, albeit not the main story.

clubman

08/03/2008, 10:45 PM

Just as an FYI, the clash of colours made the front page of the Independent's sports section today, albeit not the main story.

Made the back page of the Irish Daily Star. It seems our kit sponsor has threatened to take this one to the courts. The man has a short memory when it comes to Rovers and colour clash. A selective memory lapse I'd call it.

Dodge

08/03/2008, 10:50 PM

There are severe sanctions within the new FAI club license for any club that takes a legal route.

Anyway on to the game. I thought we were very poor in the first half, and although Sligo didn't create much it was no real surprise when you took the lead. We fell asleep at the free kick but the goal was taken very well. It gave us a much needed kick up the arse and we started to play ball and Jennings did well to keep you ahead at half time

2nd half we came out much better and scored 3 quick goals. Jennings seems to be wrong footed for 2nd goal, and your defence looked lost for third goal. After hat we seemed to sit back again and Sligo had a fair bit of possesion without looking too threatening.

Guts&Glory

09/03/2008, 1:57 PM

There are severe sanctions within the new FAI club license for any club that takes a legal route.

Nothing they,FAI, can do if a private company who happen who produce our jerseys takes legal action , not as if its the club who mentioned legal action.

To be honest we (Rovers) have to take alot of the blame as a quick phonecall the day before the game would have clarified any possible colour clashes and the black jerseys that we used at last years Pats away matches could have been dug out as an emergency.

As a Pats post previously mentioned Pats have had the same jersey design for ages at this stage.

Rovers have changed theres year on year for the last 16 years now, we put Man Utd's jersey policy in the hapenny place!!

Only1Rovers

09/03/2008, 2:05 PM

There are severe sanctions within the new FAI club license for any club that takes a legal route.

Both kit supplier and Club sponsor the McSweeney Group are seriously considering legal action.

How are the league going to sanction parties who are not directly linked with the league?

Plus it was the league who gave clearance for the particular jerseys to be worn in the first place.

A JOKE!

Dodge

09/03/2008, 3:11 PM

Both kit supplier and Club sponsor the McSweeney Group are seriously considering legal action.

How are the league going to sanction parties who are not directly linked with the league?

Its a league competition, and the row involveds Sligo. if you can't see how Sligo are implicated....

passinginterest

09/03/2008, 3:18 PM

Thought it was a decent enough match myself. Pat's were very disappointing in the first half, seemed to be unsure of who was taking responsibility in midfield. Fahey and Dempsey are similar players and neither seemed to want to do the dirty work. In the second half Dempsey sat deeper and reduced the influence of Boco (who had some fantastic touches). Jennings looked a liability under crosses, his positioning is shocking for a keeper at that level. I thought Raf Cretaro was man of the match for Sligo at right back. He was in front of me in the second half and he never put a foot wrong. Dempsey was the best Pat's player, the back four looked a bit shaky for Pat's, given time I'd say O'Cearuill and Harris will make a good pairing.

forza rovers

09/03/2008, 3:22 PM

Nothing they,FAI, can do if a private company who happen who produce our jerseys takes legal action , not as if its the club who mentioned legal action.

To be honest we (Rovers) have to take alot of the blame as a quick phonecall the day before the game would have clarified any possible colour clashes and the black jerseys that we used at last years Pats away matches could have been dug out as an emergency.

As a Pats post previously mentioned Pats have had the same jersey design for ages at this stage.

Rovers have changed theres year on year for the last 16 years now, we put Man Utd's jersey policy in the hapenny place!!there is the thread for the colour clash http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=85119&page=7

red metal

09/03/2008, 3:32 PM

The same thing happened v Derry City last year up in the brandywell.Where Sligo Rover had to wear Derry Citys second jersey.I dont remember a big deal then.

clubman

09/03/2008, 3:50 PM

The same thing happened v Derry City last year up in the brandywell.Where Sligo Rover had to wear Derry Citys second jersey.I dont remember a big deal then.

Also happened in the Showgrounds 4/5 years ago when Rovers won't change where or 'Home' WHITE strip clashed with the away team's away kit. The away team that night had to wear a green strip which Rovers supplied from a local junior side. Not sure of the details but I remember it happening. Last Friday the shoe was on the other foot and we create a big fuss. Sic.

Rovers1

09/03/2008, 4:59 PM

Boils down to this IMO:

Sligo Rovers are to partly blame for not having the cop on to realise Derry and Pats wear red and white, therefore we should have a 3rd kit, be it green,black whatever

Pats are partly at fault for holding the game up, and not just wearing their away kit.

The FAI are partly at fault for not realising Rovers and Pats both wear red and white and not requesting Jako to supply Rovers with a 3rd kit.

Anyone remember when we playe Pats in cup in 2005 and we had to change to all white because Pats forgot their away jersey? ;)

Dodge

09/03/2008, 5:18 PM

Anyone remember when we playe Pats in cup in 2005 and we had to change to all white because Pats forgot their away jersey? ;)
Cup rules are different too. Home team changes... Its a mess tbh

Rovers1

09/03/2008, 5:20 PM

Its a mess tbh

exactomundo! ;)

green army

09/03/2008, 5:50 PM

thought jennings made a few decent saves in the first half. yis seems to try and play some decent football. what is the general opinion of paul cook.

sligoman

09/03/2008, 5:54 PM

what is the general opinion of paul cook.He's well liked by most fans. Especially for his honesty and he's upfront about things. I do think he got the tactics wrong on the night but he is still a young manager in terms of experience so I'm sure he'll learn from his mistakes.

clubman

09/03/2008, 7:18 PM

At the end of the day really what's the point in playing the blame game? The real issue here is keeping the sponsors and kit supplier happy. Rovers play in red, how many other teams play in red (I'm too lazy to count) the logical solution when picking a second kit is to pick a colour which won't clash. White is a universal colour and almost every side have white in their kit so there's always a real chance of a clash. A neutral colour such as .... ?
I watch Man City last night on TV and their second colour is a type of purple. I thought it look good. We don't really have a second colour we can call our own so maybe we should have a poll here to determine what our second colour should be. A colour clash is something we should never have to endure again, it's not good no matter what way we look at it. Down through the years we have tried many colours, green, yellow, black, white, black and green, black and yellow, black and white. I'm sure there's others. Let's pick a colour where there is absolutely no chance of a colour clash and stck with it and let's get back to talking about the beautiful game instead of bickering about something as trivial as the colour of our shirts.

feo123

09/03/2008, 7:20 PM

He's well liked by most fans. Especially for his honesty and he's upfront about things. I do think he got the tactics wrong on the night but he is still a young manager in terms of experience so I'm sure he'll learn from his mistakes.

What else could he have done really? our 2 best defenders out through suspension, and ventre aswell who would be in contention for a start.
i thought he was right to go with moore in the middle, it worked well in the first half, the got a couple of chances but alot of the time they were depending on the long ball from harris or o'cearuill and they couldnt get oast us, even up until the first goal i dont think they really threatened in the second half, it seemed to be going well with the formation

sligoman

09/03/2008, 7:28 PM

What else could he have done really? our 2 best defenders out through suspension, and ventre aswell who would be in contention for a start.
i thought he was right to go with moore in the middle, it worked well in the first half, the got a couple of chances but alot of the time they were depending on the long ball from harris or o'cearuill and they couldnt get oast us, even up until the first goal i dont think they really threatened in the second half, it seemed to be going well with the formationNever said there was anything wrong in defence. Moore didn't play well at all imo. It never really went well with the formation. Faz up front on his own was clearly not working and could be seen early on but no changes were made.

Rovers fan

09/03/2008, 7:36 PM

if we didn't pack the midfield they might have thrashed us. I didn't think the tactics were too bad,defensive errors have nothing to do with tactics. The only mistake cookie made was he let us sit too deep after we scored and maybe rommy should have played in a slightly more attacking role.

Rovers fan

09/03/2008, 7:37 PM

Lads just heard the team for tomorrow nite...

Jennings

Murphy
McKenzie
Almedia
Butler

Cash
Ogrady(C)
Bocu
Doherty

Faz
Judge

Thoughts?

Why do people bother posting up bullsh1t teams before a game? Its just stupid

feo123

09/03/2008, 7:40 PM

Never said there was anything wrong in defence. Moore didn't play well at all imo. It never really went well with the formation. Faz up front on his own was clearly not working and could be seen early on but no changes were made.

i thought it was grand until the first goal. moore played well enough he's a player who you might not see as being fully involved and taking everybodys eye he's more likely to be doing good work which some people mightn't notice.
getting beat by st. pats is no disaster by any means