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Bottle of Tonic
15/02/2008, 6:22 PM
Right, reading that Denis O Brien thread has got me right effed off.

Football.

The statto's and knowledge merchants among you (fair play) seem to reckon Trappers likes to play 4-2-3-1. Handy, seeing as a lot of formation threads in previous months have highlighted our unsuitability to the traditional 4-4-2 given our current playing pool and have advocated a more imaginative midfield/attacking approach.

So I thought over the coming months(building up to the Serb game and beyond) people could use this thread to discuss what our likely line-up and shape/formation will/should be under our new Don. What others have mentioned here on foot is that Trappers is no respecter of reputation and will play form players. Good.

So taking current form and injuries into account, who is the first 11 in this new fangled 4-2-3-1 set-up. (also is there any hint at all from Trappers past that he might stick with our old tried and trusted 4-4-2?)

Given
Kelly Dunne Johno ?killer?
Carsley S. Reid
Duff Keane McGeady
Morrison

An awful amount of tinkering could be done with that midfield/attack. Doyle(form) for Clint (can robbie stay up top by himself?). Ireland/Hunt for McGeady/Duff. A Reid in the hole etc.....
Also might he sacrifice and attacking player in the 'keane position' for a more solid, dare I say it, defensive one?

Problems.
Who can play as the main striker if Doyle isn't doing it? I have my doubts about him personally. Murphy? Clint's purple patch will more than likely disappear as quick as it came on.
The two behind the attacking 4. Have we anyone there at the moment apart from the two above. Miller I suppose :eek:. Garvan, O'Toole etc are untested at this level as yet.
Full backs.
:ball:

BigmanCas
15/02/2008, 7:16 PM
Irelands Best Team at Moment

Given
S Finnan R Dunne J O Shea D O Dea
D Duff S Reid A Reid A Mc Geady
R Keane D Murphy

1. Get Steve Finnan back
2. Get alternative to O Shea at Centre Back
3. Maybe O Dea but then we require a left back
4. Any suggestions? All I know there is no place for S Kelly.
5. Steven Reid? - Questions have to be asked!!
6. Kevin Doyle needs a kick up the arse
7. Owen Garvan can perhaps play his way into contention?
8. As might James Mc Carthy
9. Maybe Joey O Brien might become a holding midfielder?
10. Not holding out much hope for A Stokes, S Long and S Hunt
11. A Keogh has potential as has D Gibson and D Potter

We have a backbone of a team. Good Luck Giovanni.. I am sure you will do a great job. I am looking forward to supporting the new regieme. One issue I will touch on now and will definetly kick up fuss closer to our next competititve is the lack of supporters songs. Come On You Boys in Green and Stand Up For the Boys In Green are both old and when sang constantly at games - embarrassing.. I will leave that for another day though.

tetsujin1979
15/02/2008, 7:23 PM
Irelands Best Team at Moment

Given
S Finnan R Dunne J O Shea D O Dea
D Duff S Reid A Reid A Mc Geady
R Keane D Murphy

If you're going to include Finnan, why not Andy O'Brien? I'd have him ahead of John O'Shea at centre half in a minute
O'Dea has barely played this season, and he hasn't really got the pace for a full back, think he'll be a centre half in the long term
That midfield looks very weak defensively, and Steven Reid will have to do a lot of the fetching and carrying by himself.
Duff on the right?
Murphy is having a decent run at the moment, but I'd have Morrison ahead of him. I'd even consider Keogh on the basis that he would be a better foil for Robbie Keane

elroy
15/02/2008, 7:25 PM
Im looking forward to what tactics and formations Geo adopts with Ireland. I think we badly needed a move away from the british style of football and considering the players we have at our disposal and particularly our weaknesses (CM) im interested in seeing what approach Geo takes.

Apparently he's a big fan of Robbie, who is our best player in my opinion and i hope he will set up the team to get the best out of RK. Something that hasnt been done since 2002 imo.

We have decent players in a number of positions yet we arent so strong in others, so hopefully Trap will get the most out of strengths (Dunne, Given, Duff, McG, Keane, Doyle, Reid) and min our weaknesses in CM, LB etc. I'd like to see him try a few new things in our upcoming friendlies.

jmurphyc
15/02/2008, 7:28 PM
That midfield looks very weak defensively, and Steven Reid will have to do a lot of the fetching and carrying by himself.


I think that whilst Andy Reid isn't an orthodox defensive midfielder or a fantastic tackler, the fact that he'll sit deep, has good awareness and positioning would mean that he would inevitably help Steven Reid to protect the back four.

Diarmo
15/02/2008, 7:35 PM
R
also is there any hint at all from Trappers past that he might stick with our old tried and trusted 4-4-2?
:ball:

I don't think we have the success recently to call our 4-4-2 trusted....

half_full
15/02/2008, 7:46 PM
Taking Finnan as retired, who would people like to see right full?

Stephen Kelly? Joey O'Brien? Steven Reid has played there before IIRC.

Personally I would like to see O'Brien get a chance, but I'll admit I haven't seen him play much recently.

Diarmo
15/02/2008, 8:00 PM
I'm kind of thinking that optimistically we could have:

Given
Finnan Dunne A. O'Brien O'Shea/Kilbane
McGeady S. Reid A. Reid
Keane Duff
Doyle

Maybe push Keane up front with Doyle in a more regular 4-4-2.

With what we have at the moment....

Given
J. O'Brien Dunne McShane O'Shea/Kilbane
Duff Carsley S. Reid A. Reid
Doyle Keane

eirebhoy
15/02/2008, 8:00 PM
I think that whilst Andy Reid isn't an orthodox defensive midfielder or a fantastic tackler, the fact that he'll sit deep, has good awareness and positioning would mean that he would inevitably help Steven Reid to protect the back four.
As long as A.Reid is fit enough, which he obviously feels he is, then I don't see any problems with A.Reid - S.Reid partnership. They're both positionally sound and have been playing deep midfield roles for their clubs. I must have said it 4 or 5 times by now but S.Reid's movement and positioning against Arsenal was something that really surprised me. It's that type of movement and intelligence that's the single most important thing to playing an passing game. Never in a million years would I have considered Reid a playmaker before I saw him this week.

Apologies for posting this for probably the millionth time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evd4iHPypcg

Watch Naka for that entire clip (the 2nd player to touch the ball). Watch his movement and his awareness. He just plays simple passes but his reading of the game is amazing. Put 4 players as intelligent as that together and they'd pass any team off the park.

The reason I'm bringing that up again is because it's where we've been falling behind the other European nations (ourselves and the British teams). Everyone keeps mentioning technical ability. Technical ability to me is the ability with your feet. England certainly have some of the most technically gifted players in the world so that's not their problem. It's the tactical awareness we're lacking imo. Anyway, at one point Reid's movement against Arsenal was quite like the clip I posted above.

In Andy Reid we've obviously got a genius of a player in terms of intelligence and an amazing passer of the ball.

In S.Ireland we've got a player that rarely loses possession, keeps things simple for the most part but is always capable of producing that one moment of magic.

I'd definitely favour playing Duff and McGeady on their "wrong" sides on a 5 man midfield. There's no point in playing them as wingers if there's nobody to cross to. At least playing them on the right and left respectively allows them to link up more freely, play through balls and get in a few shots. Plus playing wingers is too direct for my liking. ;) In fairness, though, I'd rather not have the 2 Reid's sitting deep, giving the balls out to the wingers, the wingers then running down the byline and trying to get that perfect cross in. Way too predictable in this day and age. We have to get our players moving and linking up better.

I think Keane would be suited to playing as the main striker in that system. If Totti can do I don't see why Keane can't.

kennedmc
15/02/2008, 8:15 PM
10. Not holding out much hope for A Stokes, S Long and S Hunt
11. A Keogh has potential as has D Gibson and D Potter



I find this strange. For starters S Hunt is an established prem player who has played at a consistently decent level in what is widely regarded as the second best league in the world for 2 seasons but you rate Keogh, Gibson and Potter ahead of him???? HA!!!

I'd personally also rate Stokes and Long ahead of the 3 you mentioned. I don't think Potter has a hope of featuring under TRap or being a top level midfielder

Gibson is harder to call - one young players are with big clubs there always tend to be more hype around them - whethre its justiifed or not I'm not sure.

Keogh I don't know - didn't look that good with Ireland last year.........

kennedmc
15/02/2008, 8:21 PM
My team would be:
.................Given
....Kelly Dunne O'Shea Kilbane
...........S Reid A Reid
....... McGeady Ireland Duff
................Keane

Obvioulsly we wouldn't be able to lump it up from the back!!

backstothewall
15/02/2008, 8:52 PM
Looking back at Trapattoni's Italian squads, I think Doyle will start. There might also be room for Alan Lee

In 2002 and 2004 he selected Vieri and another big striker (Delvecchio and Corradi) in his squads. Hopefully the days of replacing midgets with more midgets are over.

I read this morning he is a friend of S Erikson, so i would expect S Ireland to come back, and possibly Dunne to be captain if he takes Eriksons advice. He is also reported to be a fan of Stephen Reid

I can see us lining up something like this

-------------- Given --------------

Finnan?? Dunne (c) O'Brien?? Kilbane

Ireland --- Reid --- Carsley --- Duff

--------- Doyle --- Keane ---------

Hunt could come in for Duff for his extra defensive options, JOSH or Joey O'Brien might come in anywhere along the back 4 if some of the retirees can't be tempted back. He has gone 4-5-1 in the past but i can't see him dropping Robbie Keane, and I reckon he would think we would be to lightweght up front with only Robbie

olegunnar
15/02/2008, 9:07 PM
i know there are loads of possibilities, but surely, please, can Kilbane not be finished???

Please

backstothewall
15/02/2008, 9:36 PM
i know there are loads of possibilities, but surely, please, can Kilbane not be finished???

Please

Not until someone who can do a better job at left back comes along. I'm far from his biggest fan but we have no other option

eirebhoy
15/02/2008, 10:35 PM
Looking back at Trapattoni's Italian squads, I think Doyle will start. There might also be room for Alan Lee

In 2002 and 2004 he selected Vieri and another big striker (Delvecchio and Corradi) in his squads.
Aye but with Benfica he had Nuno Gomez. He'll go with whatever he thinks is best and I don't think Lee is anywhere near that level.

backstothewall
15/02/2008, 10:58 PM
Gomez is half an inch under 6ft, taller than both Keane and Doyle though. He certainly poses a physical threat and is and much more of an all rounder than Keane.

kennedmc
15/02/2008, 11:23 PM
We have potentially (what I call!) 3 top class deep lying attackers that can do teams alot of damage in Ireland, Duff and McGready - I'd luv to see these 3 get a chance to play together but it would have to be in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

They all pose differnet problems for defenders and if trap could fit them into a system we could be on to something.

BigmanCas
16/02/2008, 7:59 AM
We have potentially (what I call!) 3 top class deep lying attackers that can do teams alot of damage in Ireland, Duff and McGready - I'd luv to see these 3 get a chance to play together but it would have to be in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

They all pose differnet problems for defenders and if trap could fit them into a system we could be on to something.
Stephan Ireland showed in Bratislava that he has an inability to defend. We need guys in midfield that fight for possession and as of yet Ireland has not showed he can do this. He has NO defensive positional sense.

Condex
16/02/2008, 9:04 AM
Stephan Ireland showed in Bratislava that he has an inability to defend. We need guys in midfield that fight for possession and as of yet Ireland has not showed he can do this. He has NO defensive positional sense.

You seem to know nothing about football,
did you watch the Machester derby last weekend
he was one of the best players on the park.......:rolleyes:

Stephen Ireland is or will become one of Irelands best players...

BigmanCas
16/02/2008, 9:24 AM
Not doubting it for a minute. In fact I did watch the game and was impressed. He has undoubtedly got bags of skill but International football is a totally different game. Stephan Ireland will not play in a Trappatoni 4-4-2 IMO

BigmanCas
16/02/2008, 9:38 AM
You seem to know nothing about football,
did you watch the Machester derby last weekend
he was one of the best players on the park.......:rolleyes:

Stephen Ireland is or will become one of Irelands best players...

I know nothing about football - either do the analysts at Sky Sports where Richard Dunne got a average of 8.7 and was labelled 'Magnificant'. They gave S Ireland a rating of 6 and said that he gave possession up all to often - now and again???????

Condex
16/02/2008, 10:31 AM
I know nothing about football - either do the analysts at Sky Sports where Richard Dunne got a average of 8.7 and was labelled 'Magnificant'. They gave S Ireland a rating of 6 and said that he gave possession up all to often - now and again???????

No the opinion of this reporter...

City, in stark contrast, were magnificent, wearing a 1950s-style kit but playing with 1970s verve. Some of Sven-Goran Eriksson's players had been hiding from the ball in recent weeks but two of the worst culprits, Stephen Ireland and Martin Petrov, could not get enough of it here yesterday.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,2255607,00.html

Carrigaline
16/02/2008, 10:47 AM
.................Given
....Kelly Dunne McShane Kilbane
...........Carsley A Reid
....... McGeady Ireland Duff
................Keane

If Traps is going to play this 4-2-3-1 system, then that is our strongest team based on league form.

Carsley, A. Reid, McGeady, Ireland and Duff all playing together in the centre of midfield is a bloody frightening prospect for a team like Bulgaria. We also have quality on the bench in terms of Doyle, Hunt, S. Reid, etc, who can all be thrown on.

Just one more thing. Please, oh please, can Traps play players in their natural positions. No more playing O' Shea at centre back or putting Duff on the right wing. It's like replacing the engine of a Ferrari with Mini.

tetsujin1979
16/02/2008, 11:46 AM
.................Given
....Kelly Dunne McShane Kilbane
...........Carsley A Reid
....... McGeady Ireland Duff
................Keane

If Traps is going to play this 4-2-3-1 system, then that is our strongest team based on league form.

Carsley, A. Reid, McGeady, Ireland and Duff all playing together in the centre of midfield is a bloody frightening prospect for a team like Bulgaria. We also have quality on the bench in terms of Doyle, Hunt, S. Reid, etc, who can all be thrown on.

Just one more thing. Please, oh please, can Traps play players in their natural positions. No more playing O' Shea at centre back or putting Duff on the right wing. It's like replacing the engine of a Ferrari with Mini.

McShane can't get into the Sunderland team at the moment, I reckon on current form Andy O'Brien is in better form, and then Paddy McCarthy behind him

eirebhoy
16/02/2008, 11:49 AM
Not doubting it for a minute. In fact I did watch the game and was impressed. He has undoubtedly got bags of skill but International football is a totally different game. Stephan Ireland will not play in a Trappatoni 4-4-2 IMO
He won't play in central midfield in a 4-4-2 for any team atm. I don't think anyone's suggesting that though.

kingdomkerry
16/02/2008, 12:10 PM
Home

..............Given
Kelly/Finnan Dunne O'Shea Kilbane
........S Reid A Reid
....McGeady Ireland Duff
..............Keane

Away

.....................Given
Kelly/Finnan Dunne McShane O'Shea
..............S Reid Carsley
........Ireland Duff/McGeady Hunt
....................Keane


We have to play to our strengths and our strengths are not 442. We are limited in central midfield. Solution is to play 3 there. We are not unbelievably solid at the back so play a holding player in midield. Our strengts are our attackers so play 4 of them

Stuttgart88
16/02/2008, 12:18 PM
Paddy Agnew in today's Irish Times quotes Trap as saying 3-4-1-2 is his favourite formation (theoretically anyway).

I'm not going to second guess his team, but one thing's for sure - this guy understands the nuances of all the various systems / variations available and knows the attributes required for the relevant roles. I very much doubt we'll have the square pegs in round holes we've become used to in recent years.

I suspect we'll see a far better blend of our more combative players with our more elegant players.

kennedmc
16/02/2008, 12:21 PM
I'm surprised by the amount of people putting Finnan and A O'Brien in there lineups - they have retired!!! Forget about them

the doc
16/02/2008, 12:45 PM
McShane can't get into the Sunderland team at the moment, I reckon on current form Andy O'Brien is in better form, and then Paddy McCarthy behind him

McShane has been found out, on current form then St Ledger has to be a head of most.

I think he is the type of player that Trap goes for in as much as St Ledger can play, reads the game well, has pace and likes to bring the ball out from the back and is an excellent sweeper too.

In a 442 system, a future, Dunne/St Ledger partnership would be well suited.

Kingdom
16/02/2008, 1:41 PM
Paddy Agnew in today's Irish Times quotes Trap as saying 3-4-1-2 is his favourite formation (theoretically anyway).

I'm not going to second guess his team, but one thing's for sure - this guy understands the nuances of all the various systems / variations available and knows the attributes required for the relevant roles. I very much doubt we'll have the square pegs in round holes we've become used to in recent years.

I suspect we'll see a far better blend of our more combative players with our more elegant players.


I read that article this morning. Very balanced article. I'm not sure how the 3412 formation would go with the potential squad of players we had.

Kelly Dunne O'Shea
xx Reid Reid xx
xx
Keane Doyle

I have "xx" in place of the two wingers and the "central inside attacker" as Trapattoni referred to it. I'd imagine those in contention would be Hunt McGeady Duff, but I can't help but think the team would be terribly open.

finnpark
16/02/2008, 2:10 PM
Looking back at Trapattoni's Italian squads, I think Doyle will start. There might also be room for Alan Lee

In 2002 and 2004 he selected Vieri and another big striker (Delvecchio and Corradi) in his squads. Hopefully the days of replacing midgets with more midgets are over.

I read this morning he is a friend of S Erikson, so i would expect S Ireland to come back, and possibly Dunne to be captain if he takes Eriksons advice. He is also reported to be a fan of Stephen Reid

I can see us lining up something like this

-------------- Given --------------

Finnan?? Dunne (c) O'Brien?? Kilbane

Ireland --- Reid --- Carsley --- Duff

--------- Doyle --- Keane ---------

Hunt could come in for Duff for his extra defensive options, JOSH or Joey O'Brien might come in anywhere along the back 4 if some of the retirees can't be tempted back. He has gone 4-5-1 in the past but i can't see him dropping Robbie Keane, and I reckon he would think we would be to lightweght up front with only Robbie

I think that are very close.

1. Stephen Ireland has stated that he hates playing down the right and the last he did so was a disaster.
2. Stephen Reid and Carsely are both holding midfielders imo. Both cannot be on. If its Andy Reid then he needs to lose a stone first.

McGeady should be on and Ireland instead of whichever reid.

finnpark
16/02/2008, 2:12 PM
Home

..............Given
Kelly/Finnan Dunne O'Shea Kilbane
........S Reid A Reid
....McGeady Ireland Duff
..............Keane

Away

.....................Given
Kelly/Finnan Dunne McShane O'Shea
..............S Reid Carsley
........Ireland Duff/McGeady Hunt
....................Keane


We have to play to our strengths and our strengths are not 442. We are limited in central midfield. Solution is to play 3 there. We are not unbelievably solid at the back so play a holding player in midield. Our strengts are our attackers so play 4 of them

Its not a gaelic football team your picking. Thats the freakiest line ups Ive ever seen. A 5 man midfield with the 2 Reids as holding midfielders. Funny :D

finnpark
16/02/2008, 2:18 PM
Irelands Best Team at Moment

Given
S Finnan R Dunne J O Shea D O Dea
D Duff S Reid A Reid A Mc Geady
R Keane D Murphy

1. Get Steve Finnan back
2. Get alternative to O Shea at Centre Back
3. Maybe O Dea but then we require a left back
4. Any suggestions? All I know there is no place for S Kelly.
5. Steven Reid? - Questions have to be asked!!
6. Kevin Doyle needs a kick up the arse
7. Owen Garvan can perhaps play his way into contention?
8. As might James Mc Carthy
9. Maybe Joey O Brien might become a holding midfielder?
10. Not holding out much hope for A Stokes, S Long and S Hunt
11. A Keogh has potential as has D Gibson and D Potter

We have a backbone of a team. Good Luck Giovanni.. I am sure you will do a great job. I am looking forward to supporting the new regieme. One issue I will touch on now and will definetly kick up fuss closer to our next competititve is the lack of supporters songs. Come On You Boys in Green and Stand Up For the Boys In Green are both old and when sang constantly at games - embarrassing.. I will leave that for another day though.

O'Dea caanot make the Celtic team and left back is Celtic's weakest position. Plus Strachan has said that O'Dea is nowhere near ready for International senoir football.

Duff is left footed. Why play down the right? Is this really Steve Staunton?

PS: If it is you Stan, best of luck at leeds

NeilMcD
16/02/2008, 2:22 PM
Its not a gaelic football team your picking. Thats the freakiest line ups Ive ever seen. A 5 man midfield with the 2 Reids as holding midfielders. Funny :D

I think they are pretty good line ups and would be much better for us than the basic four four two you suggest.

eirebhoy
16/02/2008, 2:26 PM
Any chance someone could post Traps quotes from the Irish Times article?


Thats the freakiest line ups Ive ever seen.
Trap uses that formation an awful lot.

finnpark
16/02/2008, 2:30 PM
If he plays a 4-4-2 system, this is his best team:

------------------------- Given ---------

Finnan --------- Dunne ----- A O'Brien/O'Shea -------- Kilbane (shuddering)

McGeady ------------ Ireland ---------- Carsely --------- Hunt

------------------- Doyle --------------- Keane

------------------------------------------------------------------------

If he plays a 4-5-1

----------------------------Given

Finnan --------- Dunne ----- A O'Brien/O'Shea -------- Kilbane (shuddering)


McGeady ------------ Ireland ----------Hunt ----- Carsely --------- Duff

-------------------------------- Doyle----------------------


-------------------------------------------------------------------------

I he plays a 3-5-2 then we are in troible as we only have 1 good centre back.

finnpark
16/02/2008, 2:34 PM
Any chance someone could post Traps quotes from the Irish Times article?


Trap uses that formation an awful lot.

A 4-2-3-1. Ive never seen any manager use this before. :eek:

Its a bit all over the place. I assume there are no wingers at all and there is just a very congested midfield. We certainly won't concede many but with the strikers we have we will never score :D

NeilMcD
16/02/2008, 2:36 PM
in a three five two you are better off with your two wide centre back been full backs come centre backs. England did this with neville and pearce. That way when they get pull on the outside they are comfortable with it. In addition what you need is the defensive midfielder to be able to sit in an act as an auxiliary centre back. I am sure Carsley could do this if we are caught on the break. It is this flexibility that you need with the 3 5 2.


Ireland and Carsley is a disaster of a midfield in a 4 4 2 and the two Reids is much better. I think I would totally disagree with you on nearly every footballing issue tactically.

eirebhoy
16/02/2008, 2:46 PM
A 4-2-3-1. Ive never seen any manager use this before. :eek:
--------------Buffon--------------------
Panucci---Nesta---Cannavaro---Zambrotta
--------Perrotta-----Zanetti-------------
--Camoranesi--Totti----Del Piero--------
---------------Vieri--------------------

Plenty of Italian teams play it. When Roma played Totti as the main striker last season they always had 3 players supporting with De Rossi and Pizarro sitting in midfield.

Condex
16/02/2008, 3:01 PM
Not doubting it for a minute. In fact I did watch the game and was impressed. He has undoubtedly got bags of skill but International football is a totally different game. Stephan Ireland will not play in a Trappatoni 4-4-2 IMO

If I could take a bet on that I would..:D

I know it may be all newspaper talk but Trapatonni says that
"He's a very, very important player for Ireland."

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/trapattoni-plea-to-important--ireland-1290828.html

finnpark
16/02/2008, 3:02 PM
--------------Buffon--------------------
Panucci---Nesta---Cannavaro---Zambrotta
--------Perrotta-----Zanetti-------------
--Camoranesi--Totti----Del Piero--------
---------------Vieri--------------------

Plenty of Italian teams play it. When Roma played Totti as the main striker last season they always had 3 players supporting with De Rossi and Pizarro sitting in midfield.

Stop talking rubbish! That should be a 1-4-3-3 with Totti,Del Piero and Vieri all playing as forwards. Its quite an attacking formation actually.

What Trappattoni plays is the catenaccio system. Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio

"Italy's previous coaches, Cesare Maldini and Giovanni Trapattoni, used the catenaccio at international heights, and have all failed to reach the top"

shakermaker1982
16/02/2008, 3:05 PM
I think he could go down this route, impossible to predict but fun anyway. Duff's strongest position is on the left wing and I don't think we should play him on the right just so we can accomodate Duff. Kilbane hasn't a clue at LB whereas O'Shea can slot right in and put in an average shift. O'Shea isn't a CB and that's why I've had to stump for McShane. We are crying out for somebody to play alongside Dunne but I think McShane can do a job if Dunne keeps talking to him. O'Dea won't feature until he's playing week in week out at Celtic.

--------------Given-----------------

S Kelly ---Dunne---McShane---O'Shea

------------S Reid---A Reid----------

Hunt---------S Ireland----------Duff

---------------Keane---------------

eirebhoy
16/02/2008, 3:06 PM
"Most notably, I’ve gone through 4-4-2 and 4-3-3, not to mention 4-2-3-1 with the national side.

“You have to use your experience and know international football well to be able to blend into different cultures. You need to get acquainted with the language, food and habits of the country and, above all, never improvise in an attempt to get yourself accepted. Otherwise, you end up like a bull in a china shop.”

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=128101.html

NeilMcD
16/02/2008, 3:08 PM
Stop talking rubbish! That should be a 1-4-3-3 with Totti,Del Piero and Vieri all playing as forwards. Its quite an attacking formation actually.

What Trappattoni plays is the catenaccio system. Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio

"Italy's previous coaches, Cesare Maldini and Giovanni Trapattoni, used the catenaccio at international heights, and have all failed to reach the top"


Eirebhoy has said it as it is, you are living in cloud cuckoo land with that formation. Who the hell is the one in the team is that the keeper, Totti dropped off in that formation. and so did Del Piero. Eirebhoy has it spot on.

finnpark
16/02/2008, 3:13 PM
"Most notably, I’ve gone through 4-4-2 and 4-3-3, not to mention 4-2-3-1 with the national side.

“You have to use your experience and know international football well to be able to blend into different cultures. You need to get acquainted with the language, food and habits of the country and, above all, never improvise in an attempt to get yourself accepted. Otherwise, you end up like a bull in a china shop.”

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=128101.html

Lets hope that he has learned from his mistakes at his previous job which was a distaster. These systems are easier to make work at club level as coaches have tiem to work on them and buy in the right players but I sure hope that he doesn't go with that system.

Im quite sure he won't.

eirebhoy
16/02/2008, 3:15 PM
Whatever system you want to play I hope to see Reid, Reid, Ireland, Duff and McGeady in the same team.

NeilMcD
16/02/2008, 3:29 PM
Lets hope that he has learned from his mistakes at his previous job which was a distaster. These systems are easier to make work at club level as coaches have tiem to work on them and buy in the right players but I sure hope that he doesn't go with that system.

Im quite sure he won't.

Well lets hope he does not play a four four two with Carsley and Ireland

BigmanCas
16/02/2008, 3:44 PM
Whatever system you want to play I hope to see Reid, Reid, Ireland, Duff and McGeady in the same team.
Dream on EB - Trapp is a defence minded coach - IThat rules S Ireland out - plus I don't think he'll like his attitude.

eirebhoy
16/02/2008, 3:58 PM
Sven Erikson is a defensive minded coach too. He plays Ireland ahead of Geovanni who was a regular in Traps Benfica team.

tetsujin1979
16/02/2008, 4:04 PM
Dream on EB - Trapp is a defence minded coach - IThat rules S Ireland out - plus I don't think he'll like his attitude.
According to this - http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/trapattoni-plea-to-important--ireland-1290828.html - he definitely wants Ireland in the side

Yes, I know about the situation," said Trapattoni. "He's a very, very important player for Ireland."

The City star has not featured for his country since withdrawing from the squad before last September's Euro 2008 qualifying clash with Slovakia, claiming erroneously that his grandmothers had died. "I will ask my friend Sven-Goran Eriksson. I will ask Liam Brady, I will ask Don Givens what is the best for the player"
He's not going to the trouble of speaking to Eriksson, Brady and Givens for the good of his health