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[citizenerased]

Why is it when Im reading EGs post the voice of Ian Paisley is narrating them in my head?

[lopez]

...Oh dear:o. She's actually head of the Church of Scotland, too!Funny the Church of Scotland has not been told this.

http://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/organisation/orgqueen.htm

'The Queen is not the supreme governor of the Church of Scotland, as she is in the Church of England. The sovereign has the right to attend the General Assembly, but not to take part in its deliberations.' doesn't sound much of a head of church.

Actually, I didn't know she had any role in the church. As a presbyterian church, with my lack of religious knowledge, I bleived that preachers etc. are elected from bottom up, by the 'presbytery' and therefore a lack of bishops. Also I would have thought the difference in the religions, the fact that dissenters were discriminated until the mid 19th century by the established church, would have excluded any role in this church from Brenda apart from some form of 'patron'. TBH, her own religion is closer to mine than it is to theirs. Incidentally, is she head of the Church of Wales and the Church of Ireland?

Anyway, I've little time to be discussing Britain's number one family on benefits on a thread devoted to North-South(sic.) footballing relations.

[ifk101]

Why is it when Im reading EGs post the voice of Ian Paisley is narrating them in my head?

And why is that when I read your posts that the voice of a ignorant, spoilt, teenager comes to my mind? My friend's, sister's flatmate's mother's lover told me that he thinks the same.

[lopez]

Now we are at the nub of the whole issue. There is no doubt that sectarianism is a reason (the chief reason?) why many NI Nats choose ROI over NI...After 800 odd posts, a very sensible one at last...Especially as it follows a post - regarding the anti-semitism of Irish fans - that charachterises so much of your bullsh*t.

[tetsujin1979]

lock it up lads

[Wolfie]

Ealing Green et all should be along any minute now for yet another entertaining cross boarder debate we all know and love.................................

Could I change my username to Nostrodamus? :D

[Blanchflower]

'The Queen is not the supreme governor of the Church of Scotland, as she is in the Church of England. The sovereign has the right to attend the General Assembly, but not to take part in its deliberations.' doesn't sound much of a head of church.

Actually, I didn't know she had any role in the church. As a presbyterian church, with my lack of religious knowledge, I bleived that preachers etc. are elected from bottom up, by the 'presbytery' and therefore a lack of bishops.

Well, as you point out, the nature of the CofS (presbyterian) means that the Queen is not its "supreme governor", but the point is that the CofS is the established church in Scotland like the CofE is established in England. Each church has equal status and her greater role in the English church is because of how that church is governed.

"In the United Kingdom, The Queen's title includes the words 'Defender of the Faith'.
This means Her Majesty has a specific role in both the Church of England and the Church of Scotland.
As established Churches, they are recognised by law as the official Churches of England and Scotland, respectively. In both England and Scotland, the established Churches are subject to the regulation of law."
http://www.qmmemorial.gov.uk/output/Page4697.asp




Also I would have thought the difference in the religions, the fact that dissenters were discriminated until the mid 19th century by the established church, would have excluded any role in this church from Brenda apart from some form of 'patron'.

Er, in Scotland the established church was and is presbyterian!



Incidentally, is she head of the Church of Wales and the Church of Ireland?


No - the former was disestablished in 1920 and the latter in 1871. So you're only 88 years and 137 years out of date on those ones.

[EalingGreen]

Give me quotes from a reputable news paper about anti-semitism from Irish Supporters during that game or take back this bull**** statement.

No He said She said, show me a quote , or apologise immediately.

OK, I will apologise and withdraw what was a lazy piece of shorthand and replace it with "politically motivated anti-Israeli abuse", if you prefer.

And if you want evidence of this "politically motivated anti-Israeli abuse", I don't need to point to "a reputable newspaper", I can do even better than that, namely this very forum!

Or have you forgotten "Today I'm ashamed to be Irish"?
http://foot.ie/archive/index.php/t-25941.html

Indeed, before I came to that thread in the Archive, I also came across references to abuse on separate occasions of (Rangers) Flo, Lovenkrands and Arvadladze, the latter causing Fran Rooney to state:
"But I have also received letters from people in the North of Ireland [sic] who are Protestants who were personally abused for asking people to stop booing. We've got a situation that is racist but also bigoted and sectarian"
(I believe there was also a complaint ot UEFA about somesuch?)

Now before this thread degenerates even further into a pointless "you're worse than us" slanging match, I make these points not in order to tarnish the reputation of the vast majority of decent ROI fans, or to denigrate the efforts of the FAI to stamp it out.

Rather, I was attempting to make the point that every team has its minority of meatheads and hangers-on, but just as they need not deter anyone of any background from safely attending ROI games, then neither need our particular problems further North deter anyone from NI from following OWC, home or away. Which is a long away away from the rubbish which is being posted on this forum by certain individuals. :rolleyes:

[gustavo]

lock it up lads

Agreed , Every time this issue comes up , The usual suspects on both sides come out and the same points get repeated over and over again.