2008 Licences

[higgins]

The Jan 31st deadline is for audited accounts only as all other aspects of licensing had to be submitted back in Oct 07.
The last I heard was for a Feb 15th'ish date for the results!

The audited accounts would be for the 2007 season of course so depending on what you submitted already you may be in trouble anyway ??

In the case of clubs having large tax and wage debts, is it certain that the licensing committee will return with deadlines for these to be paid and no fines/points deductions.

When Shelbourne were found out last season we got punished but also got some deadlines for the 2007 season. Having lied in previous submissions they were left with no option but to punish us and did so by sending us to the First Division.

I'd imagine any club set a deadline to sort out their affiars for the 2008 season will also (or should?) get punished.

[Longfordian]

White smoke has issued from the pow wow today. We have all matters in hand now. Shouldn't be any licensing problems this year thankfully. Onwards and upwards.

[Maz]

White smoke has issued from the pow wow today. We have all matters in hand now. Shouldn't be any licensing problems this year thankfully. Onwards and upwards.
Yeah just heard that news at lunch there. Fantastic news

[RonnieB]

Phew :)

[Martinho II]

brilliant news for the club.. the rebuilding process starts here...

[Raheny Red]

White smoke has issued from the pow wow today. We have all matters in hand now. Shouldn't be any licensing problems this year thankfully. Onwards and upwards.

Grand so, now try get a license for that bar of yours and we're flying :cool:

[Longfordian]

Grand so, now try get a license for that bar of yours and we're flying :cool:

Good point. Must check out what the story is with that.

[galwayhoop]

Premier Clubs will have to have squads of 30 plus their u20 players to field 3 teams this season and we have budgeted the A Team to cost us in excess of €100K .

i assumed our A league side would be our under 20s supplemented by whatever players aren't getting a run in the first team or who are coming back from injury.

surely the under 20s will train together and so will the first team. goughie and/or billy (or whoever takes u20 team) should take the A league team for games. there is no need to have a separate team / management structure for the non-entity that is the A league. The only reason for it is to allow fringe/injured/young players the opportunity to get games and results are not an issue.

if we spend anywhere near €100k on it then we need our heads examined. we should only be paying the travel costs in addition to our normal expenses.

there should be no player recruitment for this league in addition to normal squad for our first team and u20's.

if TC has a squad of 25 players and no more than 14 can play on any given weekend then it stands to reason that the other 11 will play in this A division. assuming approx. 3 to 4 players to be injured at any one time then the balance will come from the u20 squad.

i think the people who are spouting off about 30 players plus under 20 squad are talking sh1te. we don't give a fiddlers for this A league so it will only be a matter of giving the lads who are not playing regularly a run out at the weekend.

IN SHORT WHATEVER SQUAD TC FEELS ARE NEEDED FOR THE SEASON SHOULD BE SIGNED, U20 MANAGER DO THE SAME, THEN JUST FULFILL THE A-LEAGUE GAMES BECAUSE WE ARE TOLD WE NEED TO.

[gufct]

i assumed our A league side would be our under 20s supplemented by whatever players aren't getting a run in the first team or who are coming back from injury.

surely the under 20s will train together and so will the first team. goughie and/or billy (or whoever takes u20 team) should take the A league team for games. there is no need to have a separate team / management structure for the non-entity that is the A league. The only reason for it is to allow fringe/injured/young players the opportunity to get games and results are not an issue.

if we spend anywhere near €100k on it then we need our heads examined. we should only be paying the travel costs in addition to our normal expenses.

there should be no player recruitment for this league in addition to normal squad for our first team and u20's.

if TC has a squad of 25 players and no more than 14 can play on any given weekend then it stands to reason that the other 11 will play in this A division. assuming approx. 3 to 4 players to be injured at any one time then the balance will come from the u20 squad.

i think the people who are spouting off about 30 players plus under 20 squad are talking sh1te. we don't give a fiddlers for this A league so it will only be a matter of giving the lads who are not playing regularly a run out at the weekend.

IN SHORT WHATEVER SQUAD TC FEELS ARE NEEDED FOR THE SEASON SHOULD BE SIGNED, U20 MANAGER DO THE SAME, THEN JUST FULFILL THE A-LEAGUE GAMES BECAUSE WE ARE TOLD WE NEED TO.

And what happens when your under 20s/A team are playing the same day.Do we slice players in half and managers/physios & Kit Man. Philip Coffey is the new A Team Manager by the way.

If players get injured playing for the A Team do we tell them go away and pay your own Medical expenses.

[jebus]

Never understood the point of having a Championship made up of reserve players from clubs who can ill-afford it, recipe for disaster in my book, I mean how are Cobh, UCD etc. paying for this?

[galwayhoop]

And what happens when your under 20s/A team are playing the same day.Do we slice players in half and managers/physios & Kit Man.
yeah good man slice them in half. great man for the solutions aren't you. :rolleyes:
in fact they will never play on the same day. as the u21's never played on the same day as the first team last year. the first team will play most of their games on a friday, as usual. A league games will be on a sat/sun. according to well informed sources the u20 league won't start until september (A league plate starts in march/april). when u20 starts games will not be held on the same days as either first team / A league games.


If players get injured playing for the A Team do we tell them go away and pay your own Medical expenses.
who said that. here you go with stupid half-baked comments to try and make a mountain out of a molehill. if they get injured playing for the A team they are treated in the exact same way as they would be if injured for first team or u20 team (or in training) because that is who they are signed up for in the first place anyway. did you not read my post :confused:


Philip Coffey is the new A Team Manager by the way.
if this is true there is no need for any additional appointments for this team. players or management. he should gather a team from whatever players didn't get a game for either first team and u20s and then make do. from march till September this will be very easy as full compliment of u20s will be playing exclusively for this team with whatever players TC wants to play getting in ahead of their u20 counterpart.

all this team needs to do is fulfill the fixtures, results are 100% insignificant. it will allow fringe players to play football against other high quality players. it will create the bridge between u20 and senior for the younger lads.

the overall aim of the A league is to help the progression and also those coming back from injury / not getting a run with the first team. with that in mind why on earth would players be signed exclusively for the league?????

[galwayhoop]

Never understood the point of having a Championship made up of reserve players from clubs who can ill-afford it, recipe for disaster in my book, I mean how are Cobh, UCD etc. paying for this?

it will be a big ask for Cobh and Harps especially, perhaps a moratorium should have been given to the promoted clubs for the first year anyway as survival is their only target for the coming year, future player development is not even an issue at this point in time for either club I would have thought.

UCD as an established premier division club should be able to cope. they have known for a couple of seasons it is coming. i can only assume that they will use one of their many teams in the college to fulfill fixtures.

[Schumi]

Would these clubs not have had an under 21s team if the league was run under last season's set-up? If so, what's the difference with the A League team? If anything it'll take less work as any player who doesn't play in the first team game can play without having to worry about age restrictions. The difference this year is that clubs have to have an under 20s team later in the year but this can be made up of A League players and local young players who probably wouldn't be paid. I don't see what the big fuss is about tbh.

[galwayhoop]

Would these clubs not have had an under 21s team if the league was run under last season's set-up? If so, what's the difference with the A League team? If anything it'll take less work as any player who doesn't play in the first team game can play without having to worry about age restrictions. The difference this year is that clubs have to have an under 20s team later in the year but this can be made up of A League players and local young players who probably wouldn't be paid. I don't see what the big fuss is about tbh.

agree totally Schumi. also more fringe players will be able to play as it won't be restricted to 3 overage players like u21 was. a big complaint for clubs was that fringe players weren't able to play games against other players of a similar standard. the u21 league was nowhere near the standard of player you will meet in the eLoI PL with a lot of teams populated with 17 year olds. battle hardened LoI players were gaining little or nothing playing in these games and managers were unable to judge them fairly playing against kids.

i just think that some people love to moan and complain anyway so there is no point in talking with any kind of logic......

[Red Army]

Rumour of bad new for us HERE (http://sligorovers.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=talk2&action=display&thread=1202129616)

[pineapple stu]

UCD as an established premier division club should be able to cope. they have known for a couple of seasons it is coming. i can only assume that they will use one of their many teams in the college to fulfill fixtures.
Spot on. We probably field more teams than any other club in the league, so we can easily bump up one of the LSL teams to fill the U-20 gap. And all for a cost significantly less than E100k...

[exiled_gufc_fan]

Piece in the Limerick Leader yesterday, looks like Limerick have settled up with the Revenue and are even planning to enter the A League

Limerick 37 plan to settle all outstanding debts (http://www.limerickleader.ie/3420/Limerick-37-plan-to-settle.3741082.jp)

[jebus]

Piece in the Limerick Leader yesterday, looks like Limerick have settled up with the Revenue and are even planning to enter the A League

Limerick 37 plan to settle all outstanding debts (http://www.limerickleader.ie/3420/Limerick-37-plan-to-settle.3741082.jp)

Lord God, we're like a crippled child learning to walk again planning for an AC Milan trial in under two weeks :(

Here's to next years financial meltdown

[higgins]

So everyone is expecting their clubs to come through this year ???

[forza rovers]

what clubs havent got their licences yet?

[Buile Shuibhne]

what clubs havent got their licences yet?

All.

No licences have been awarded yet for 2008.

Some posts above and in other threads are just opinion & speculation from clubs/supporters that they themselves think they may have made the cut.

[passerrby]

but have not sporting fin been invited to join the EL will they have to go through licensing ..I think not

[John83]

but have not sporting fin been invited to join the EL will they have to go through licensing ..I think not
They already went through a licencing process to get into the A league. I assume they'll have to meet the First Division criteria now, though perhaps with a bit of lee-way given the short notice for them.

[passerrby]

the process for an A championship licence is do you have 11 players. ok your in.If the fai are serious about using licensing to raise the bar then no club should be allowed in at any level until they achieve there required licence otherwise it continues to be the joke it is.

[Mr A]

It would be hilarious if the FAI invited them in, then chucked them out for not meeting licensing!

[passerrby]

wouldnt it be funny, but thats my point they will not refuse them after inviting them in

[John83]

the process for an A championship licence is do you have 11 players. ok your in.If the fai are serious about using licensing to raise the bar then no club should be allowed in at any level until they achieve there required licence otherwise it continues to be the joke it is.
Jesus, that club they turned down must have been really **** so. Have you actually read that licensing document, or are you just talking out of your arse?

[passerrby]

[QUOTE=John83;872583]Jesus, that club they turned down must have been really **** so. Have you actually read that licensing document, or are you just talking out of your arse?[/Q

christ on a crutch are you so niave if they had refused them clubs they would not a A champoinship, now ask yourself the following
what happens to the fixtures if one of the following happens

one of the pemiership teams dont get a licence
one of the first div dont get a licence
and horror of horrors sportin fingal dont get a licence
dont kid yourself john
oh and yes ive read the manual but like the bible some parts are only parables

[higgins]

What area do you think Sporting Fingal would fail on in a First Division application ?

Tax and wages seem to be what eveyone else fails on and having never kicked a ball I think they are ok!!

[galwayhoop]

wouldnt it be funny, but thats my point they will not refuse them after inviting them in

the FAI press release after SF were invited said that 'as the highest points scorer in the recent IAG process for the A-Championship Sporting Fingal were now being invited to join the First Division'... from this it is safe to assume that they already know where their application is and are well placed to advise them what further criteria they now need to meet to get a first division license.

It's hardly just a wild panic or stab in the dark. Team gets thrown out of the league, FAI ask IAG of the 4 teams accepted into the A-Championship which is nearest to (or indeed capable already of) meeting the criteria for the 1st Division. IAG tell them SF...

.... but sure why pass up an opportunity to have a dig at the FAI/eL at any chance, warranted or unwarranted.... :rolleyes:

[passerrby]

the FAI press release after SF were invited said that 'as the highest points scorer in the recent IAG process for the A-Championship Sporting Fingal were now being invited to join the First Division'... from this it is safe to assume that they already know where their application is and are well placed to advise them what further criteria they now need to meet to get a first division license.

It's hardly just a wild panic or stab in the dark. Team gets thrown out of the league, FAI ask IAG of the 4 teams accepted into the A-Championship which is nearest to (or indeed capable already of) meeting the criteria for the 1st Division. IAG tell them SF...

.... but sure why pass up an opportunity to have a dig at the FAI/eL at any chance, warranted or unwarranted.... :rolleyes:

maybe they made a fancy dvd do you think that might work

oh and maybe you should roll you eyes before reading FAI press statements

[gufct]

The 2 galway teams were invited rather than applied as they did not have enough applicants so id say the whole system is a joke.

[galwayhoop]

maybe they made a fancy dvd do you think that might work

oh and maybe you should roll you eyes before reading FAI press statements


non-sence comment. please try and make a point

[galwayhoop]

The 2 galway teams were invited rather than applied as they did not have enough applicants so id say the whole system is a joke.
which 2 galway teams were invited to join the first division????

[sadloserkid]

which 2 galway teams were invited to join the first division????

Where did anybody say anything about clubs being invited to join the first division? He's obviously talking about Mervue and Salthill's participation in the A League. Anybody with any kind of langauge skills can see that. :rolleyes: