Delaney interview last night

[Stuttgart88]

It's much the same as us being called "the Republic" or "the South" which are both widely used. as evidenced by Emmet Malone's recent articles in the Irish Times about the All-Ireland League talks.

The "South" or "Southern" is plain daft whereas "The North" is just a simple harmless abbreviation. Just because one part of the island is "Northern" doesn't by default suggest that the rest is "Southern" or even "southern".

For what it's worth I thought Delaney's comment was needlessly antagonistic.

[RogerMilla]

Would that be the same Neil Lennon who earlier this year sent a specially taped message to the IFA commending it for the work it is doing through "Football For All"? :rolleyes:

Anyway, why stop at Lennon? Why not Cromwell, or the Plantation of Ulster, or Strongbow? I'm sure they're all to blame in some way or another...:eek:

Diarmuid McMurrough surely!

[jmurphyc]

The "South" or "Southern" is plain daft whereas "The North" is just a simple harmless abbreviation. Just because one part of the island is "Northern" doesn't by default suggest that the rest is "Southern" or even "southern".


I agree, I was just saying what it is sometimes called to counter the argument.

[EalingGreen]

i was saying that if i was IFA eligible and was brought up supporting ROI then the IFA's efforts to stop me playing for the ROI would not be conducive to convincing me to throw in my lot with NI.

Nobody denies that there are people in NI whose affinity lies with the ROI team. And no reasonable person would deny them the right to represent that team, assuming they are eligible. Further, nobody seriously believes that if someone is dead set on representing ROI (perhaps due to their upbringing, as you say), and they are denied the chance as a result of the IFA insisting that FIFA's Rules are adhered to, that they will then somehow be disposed to forgetting their former allegiance and throwing their hand in with NI. That would be just silly.

Rather, the IFA's concern is actually for three other categories of player.
1. Those like e.g Gerry Armstrong or Pat Jennings who, given a free choice, might prefer ROI over NI, but when that choice is not open to them, happily play for NI, with great distinction and total commitment;
2. Those footballers who don't actually have any political leanings whatsoever (they do exist, you know!) Instead, they are just normal teenagers who live to play football all day and all night. Given an entirely free choice, at least some of those will opt for ROI over NI. Which, I repeat, is entirely fair enough if they are eligible under the Rules, but is not a choice open to footballers from other parts of the world if they are not, as well as being particularly unfair on NI, since we don't get a comparable choice from your "non-committals";
3. Those individuals who might choose the ROI for less than honourable motives e.g. they had a "falling-out" with someone in the IFA, or are being urged to do so by outside influences with less ethical motives (e.g. Agents, politicians etc), or see that there might be more money in it, or indeed like Alex Bruce, merely opt for what they see as the "better" team. All of such motives might be understandable for switching clubs, but they should have no place in determining which country one plays for (imo).

[EalingGreen]

I can understand your problem with the "Six Counties", but what's your problem with "the North"? It's much the same as us being called "the Republic" or "the South" which are both widely used. It's like saying the UK instead of the United Kingdom. Nitpicking as per usual.

In political or other situations, I don't care what you call yourselves/us!

But in footballing terms, the names of the two teams are "Northern Ireland" and "Republic of Ireland", with "NI" and "ROI" being by far the quickest form to type that will avoid misunderstanding. Those who consistently avoid such abbreviations by substituting some other wordier construction are actually the ones who are being petty (imo), if not slightly insulting, since it denies us due recognition. If the regulars in your local bar consistently called you by the wrong name, would you not be a bit peeved too?

Anyhow, I imagine that there are people in Donegal etc who might take exception to "the North", never mind us! ;)

[EalingGreen]

Likewise if an association is not hindered by FIFA from picking players from outside its states legal jurisdiction then it would be in dereliction of its duty to create as big a player pool as possible if it did not pick those players.

No argument, there.

[RogerMilla]

Rather, the IFA's concern is actually for three other categories of player.
1. Those like e.g Gerry Armstrong or Pat Jennings who, given a free choice, might prefer ROI over NI, but when that choice is not open to them, happily play for NI, with great distinction and total commitment

yup , they're the fellas we want alright !! :p

[EalingGreen]

sooner FIFA clear this up the better. Cue a couple of hundred posts from you railing at the injustice of it all and then we will all be able to move on ;)

I will accept whatever FIFA finally decides and (assuming this leaves no room for appeal) will get on with it. :cool:

[EalingGreen]

yup , they're the fellas we want alright !! :p

Can you see better now why we're a tad concerned about this? Just because we dont want or need any of your lot...;)

[ifk101]

I wonder how people get about with their daily lives in Meath and Westmeath.

[RogerMilla]

Can you see better now why we're a tad concerned about this? Just because we dont want or need any of your lot...;)

theres a few you can have , go on , go on...

[citizenerased]

Would that be the same Neil Lennon who earlier this year sent a specially taped message to the IFA commending it for the work it is doing through "Football For All"? :rolleyes:

Anyway, why stop at Lennon? Why not Cromwell, or the Plantation of Ulster, or Strongbow? I'm sure they're all to blame in some way or another...:eek:


first of all...no player should have to endure sectarian abuse by horribe orcs.

I wouldnt to it the justice of calling it N.I as it is Ireland, and is under political partition.

You contradict yourself aswell...You say ye have a better team but then go on to say that only david healy would get into an amalgamated team...

if ye are so greeeeat how come you only finished 5th in your group, we finished 3rd?

'god save our queen, why are ye the only home nation to play this at football

[co. down green]

But in footballing terms, the names of the two teams are "Northern Ireland" and "Republic of Ireland", with "NI" and "ROI" being by far the quickest form to type that will avoid misunderstanding. Those who consistently avoid such abbreviations by substituting some other wordier construction are actually the ones who are being petty (imo), if not slightly insulting, since it denies us due recognition.

Perhaps the North's football fans should stop singing 'Ulster till i die' :eek: & 'Stand up for the Ulstermen', as the residents of Cavan, Donegal & Monaghan are offended by the misuse of the province's name and feel the fans are being petty if not slightly insulting to them. :D

[osarusan]

You conaradict yourself aswell...You say ye have a better team but then go on to say that only david healy would get into an amalgamated team...


That's not what he said.

He said he thinks N.I. are the better team, but when us southies discuss a "United Ireland" team, we usually say only Healy might have a chance of being in the team.

EalingGreen, I'm pretty sure I've seen you refer to ROI as "the south" on this website a few times. (I may be mistaken, I admit)

Would be that be a subconscious slip of the tongue/finger and imply your lack or respect for us, as you feel the use of "the north" does?

[RogerMilla]

'god save our queen, why are ye the only home nation to play this at football

eh , england ??

[citizenerased]

dont be smart roger ya know what i meant...orcs

[ifk101]

As this thread has as its subject a 40 minutes interview and not the utterance of two words, does one know more about the academy Delaney talks about? Is it for the best young clubless talents in the four provinces or will it be for Dublin based players only? What age group are they looking at? etc, etc ....

[EalingGreen]

first of all...no player should have to endure sectarian abuse by horribe orcs.


Agreed. Then again, it doesn't happen these days, as anyone who actually goes to games can testify.


I wouldnt to it the justice of calling it N.I as it is Ireland, and is under political partition.


File under "Mope"



You contradict yourself aswell...You say ye have a better team but then go on to say that only david healy would get into an amalgamated team...


Nonsense.



if ye are so greeeeat how come you only finished 5th in your group, we finished 3rd?


Finished 3rd, in a stronger Group, and with more points (20). Which perhaps accounts for why we were still in with a chance, however slim, of Qualifying going into the last round of matches. Whereas ROI were out of it with 3 games still to play. (I say "3" as a kindness)



'god save our queen, why are ye the only home nation to play this at football

We're not. Nonetheless, I personally wish it were replaced, so perhaps you should take it up with someone else.

But hey, no rush - finish drinking your lunch first...:rolleyes:

[EalingGreen]

when us southies discuss a "United Ireland" team, we usually say only Healy might have a chance of being in the team.


What harm has Healy ever done you to deserve such a fate? ;)



EalingGreen, I'm pretty sure I've seen you refer to ROI as "the south" on this website a few times.

Would be that be a subconscious slip of the tongue/finger and imply your lack or respect for us, as you feel the use of "the north" does?

Possible, I suppose (though I don't intend wasting any time in checking and suggest you don't, either)

Anyhow, if I have, I can always plead advanced age and decrepitude in mitigation, whereas I doubt Delaney has ever let slip an unguarded public utterance in his life, at least within earshot of a journalist! :)

[janeymac]

Anyhow, if I have, I can always plead advanced age and decrepitude in mitigation, whereas I doubt Delaney has ever let slip an unguarded public utterance in his life, at least within earshot of a journalist! :)

Alternative thinking - Canavan was a great GAA player and would get a lot of publicity down here. Its possible that Delaney doesn't follow GAA too well and mightn't be aware of where he comes from. :cool:

Apologies to everyone for my drawing attention in the first place to Delaney mentioning Canavan.

[SuperDave]

Alternative thinking - Canavan was a great GAA player and would get a lot of publicity down here. Its possible that Delaney doesn't follow GAA too well and mightn't be aware of where he comes from. :cool:

Apologies to everyone for my drawing attention in the first place to Delaney mentioning Canavan.

EalingGreen is like advertising in the Simpsons... Ignore him and he'll go away.

WUMming of the highest standard. I salute his wummery.

[geysir]

Alternative thinking - Canavan was a great GAA player and would get a lot of publicity down here. Its possible that Delaney doesn't follow GAA too well and mightn't be aware of where he comes from. :cool:

Apologies to everyone for my drawing attention in the first place to Delaney mentioning Canavan.
There is nothing to apologise for. This is the Ireland forum, we are quite entitled to lighthearted slag Delaney or discuss his interview with impunity. The only problem here is that it attracts the troll who clings like a barnacle after spending ages going through threads of no interest to him, only to highlight some obscure reference that is perceived as a threat to his sporting/cultural or political existance.

[kingdom hoop]

the troll who clings like a barnacle

Here (http://communitiesonline.homestead.com/files/troll_2.jpg) he is before setting off on his stow-away escapade, an earnest grapple with the slippery mossy anchor line on the hull of L.E. IRELAND. Alas his hopes will be scuttled when said vessel forms a flotilla with its sister ship, squishing the doty lil' fellar between the two.