Foot.ie Rules & FAQ [Archive]

Gary

08/02/2005, 5:36 PM

Whats a 'role' account?

One rule I would like, but probably impossible to implement is - These are discussion forums, so if you want to discuss something, give your reasons. If you agree/disagree with something, give your reasoning as to why, not just one/two word posts like "I agree", or "Your wrong". These posts seem to be done to boost post count.

Also, text speak should be banned (within reason).

Thats my 2 cents worth anyways ;)

thecorner

08/02/2005, 5:50 PM

Whats a 'role' account?

im presuming shedend.com, fourfiveone etc...

also grerat rule there gary about the text speak. so fu@king annoying to read

dahamsta

08/02/2005, 5:56 PM

Whats a 'role' account?Sorry, nerd speak: Like thecorner suggests, it's accounts like FourFiveOne, flansiro.net, inthered.org and TheShed.com, that are usually used to represent a website or fanzine. In fact from a quick search earlier today, that would be most of them right there. I've discussed this already with one of the FourFiveOne people and they argue that they prefer to keep it impersonal, but I'm left asking why. I'm also regularly accused of bias by members that have been ticked off for duplicate accounts, and they have a point.

adam

Éanna

08/02/2005, 7:14 PM

Sorry, nerd speak: Like thecorner suggests, it's accounts like FourFiveOne, flansiro.net, inthered.org and TheShed.com, that are usually used to represent a website or fanzine. In fact from a quick search earlier today, that would be most of them right there. I've discussed this already with one of the FourFiveOne people and they argue that they prefer to keep it impersonal, but I'm left asking why. I'm also regularly accused of bias by members that have been ticked off for duplicate accounts, and they have a point.

adam
problem there is, if you want to post your own opinion, and then FourFiveOne (as an example) wants to make an announcement, then things get tricky. Reason being, of you have more than one person involved, and they disagree over another topic- how does thatwork? I think there's no major problem with these accounts, as long as they are only used for announcements.

Gary

08/02/2005, 7:18 PM

Which to be fair, FFO is only used for announcements, or asking for suggestions.

Colm

08/02/2005, 7:32 PM

dahamsta

08/02/2005, 7:51 PM

problem there is, if you want to post your own opinion, and then FourFiveOne (as an example) wants to make an announcement, then things get tricky. Reason being, of you have more than one person involved, and they disagree over another topic- how does thatwork?It works by the person saying "I'm posting this on behalf of FourFiveOne" or "This is my personal opinion." How difficult is that? This is what I don't get, both myself Joe "own" Foot.ie to all intents and purposes, and people like yourself have a big part to play too, but we don't use a Foot.ie account to post announcements, do we? If we don't need one, why does FourFiveOne? Is there something embarassing about being involved with FFO? Is there some reason for hiding behind a role account? (I'm just extending the example, not picking on FFO here.)

I think the best solution would be that any organisation which is affiliated with an Eircom League club should be allowed have an account but any other non-el organisations should not.I can tell you right here and right now that's not going to happen anyway Colm, for the simple reason that there's no way of authenticating who is and isn't "affiliated" with a club without spending (serious) money on authentication procedures. I don't even know who's involved in FFO bar one person ffs, never mind those other ones you mentioned; some of whom are born troublemakers, I might add.

adam

Colm

08/02/2005, 7:58 PM

It works by the person saying "I'm posting this on behalf of FourFiveOne" or "This is my personal opinion." How difficult is that?

It won't work Adam.
Not everyone knows who exactly is or is not involved in FFO or any other organisation. Therefore any clown could just say "I'm posting this on behalf of FourFiveOne" or "I'm posting this on behalf of the Supporters Club" and some people are bound to believe it even if it's not true. Whereas if there is a specific account only those with access to the password can post on behalf of whatever organisation it is.

I think if you get rid of these 'role accounts', you putting a lot more workload on yourself and the mods while bringing hassle on the organisations concerned because you are leaving the system wide open for anyone to abuse.

I can tell you right here and right now that's not going to happen anyway Colm, for the simple reason that there's no way of authenticating who is and isn't "affiliated" with a club without spending (serious) money on authentication procedures. I don't even know who's involved in FFO bar one person ffs, never mind those other ones you mentioned; some of whom are born troublemakers, I might add.

adam

Ok I know what you're saying but surely you get my drift i.e. that any genuine organisations who you can be sure are not out to cause trouble should be allowed to have an account.

Éanna

08/02/2005, 8:02 PM

It works by the person saying "I'm posting this on behalf of FourFiveOne" or "This is my personal opinion."
I'm with colm on this. It wouldn't work by posting things like that, because people will ignore them when it suits them. If these things are just used for announcements, I think its ok.

dahamsta

08/02/2005, 8:13 PM

Sorry lads, this logic still isn't working for me. The FFO account was allowed to exist - much to my annoyance - for the simple reason that it was set up by an implicitly trusted user. The account was built on trust, which is exactly the same as would happen with any TD&H posting on behalf of an org. In order to become trusted, they have to build a reputation.

Should I let someone sign up with ShelsUnofficialFanClub? How do I know who they are? What if someone calls ShelsFan says they're ok? How do I know who ShelsFan is? What happens when somone calling themselves ShelsUnofficialFanClub comes along and says the current ShelsUnofficialFanClub is a fraud, and they're the real ShelsUnofficialFanClub?

Or how about a Real World[TM] example: ShedEnd.com is a user who's been banned from both Foot.ie and CorkCityFC.com, rather ironically for spamming. Why should they get the benefit of a role handle; or worse, free advertising from having their domain in their handle? And if not them, why anyone else?

And one final thing: Who tracks these role accounts with multiple users? What happens if one of the people using it decides to go all "mystery user" on your ass, maybe starts posting your PM's on corkciytfc.ie, what are you going to do about that? What if it gets legal, if someones is libelled?

adam

dahamsta

10/02/2005, 2:27 PM

Back on topic, this is where we were. If no-one's going to rebut this...

Sorry lads, this logic still isn't working for me. The FFO account was allowed to exist - much to my annoyance - for the simple reason that it was set up by an implicitly trusted user. The account was built on trust, which is exactly the same as would happen with any TD&H posting on behalf of an org. In order to become trusted, they have to build a reputation.

Should I let someone sign up with ShelsUnofficialFanClub? How do I know who they are? What if someone calls ShelsFan says they're ok? How do I know who ShelsFan is? What happens when somone calling themselves ShelsUnofficialFanClub comes along and says the current ShelsUnofficialFanClub is a fraud, and they're the real ShelsUnofficialFanClub?

[Snipped to stop him butting in again.]

And one final thing: Who tracks these role accounts with multiple users? What happens if one of the people using it decides to go all "mystery user" on your ass, maybe starts posting your PM's on corkciytfc.ie, what are you going to do about that? What if it gets legal, if someones is libelled?

pete

10/02/2005, 2:29 PM

I dunno if it'll work but for instance if say corkcityfc.ie wanted to sign up as user i would make him/her provide a valid mail address at that domain? I know not going to work for offline clubs & stuff but its an option...?

dahamsta

10/02/2005, 2:45 PM

But why should they have a role account? This is what I don't understand. I haven't been given one valid reason in this discussion; or rather several people have given me reasons, but none of them have responded when I've refuted them.

Here's another issue: I don't know who in this thread is posting in defense of FFO because they run FFO, because I only know one person involved. This kind of confusion is precisely the reason I banned dupes in the first place.

adam

GavinZac

11/02/2005, 9:14 AM

theres no justification for "role" accounts. everyone knows who writes or runs what. although in my case I was "shedend.com" because i couldnt think of anything better, everyone knew who it was. everyone knows who FFO are so if they happen to post under aFace or whatever then what difference does it make? Everyone knew who CorkCityFC.ie were when they registered.

If people are dead set on using the board for annoucements, why not have one sticky thread for user annoucements? just a suggestion. it can be moderated to not allow discussion and maybe a quota of annoucements for any group/user.

Colm

11/02/2005, 12:19 PM

What's actually wrong with these 'role accounts' though? How have they ever been abused in the past? I just can't see how it effects you or the site if they are there and not doing any harm.

I know you're saying they're dupes Adam but they're not really as they belong to an organisation and are not used for posting personal opinions.

GavinZac

11/02/2005, 1:19 PM

I know you're saying they're dupes Adam but they're not really as they belong to an organisation and are not used for posting personal opinions.

tell that to that rogue ShedEnd.com ;)

with a large, popular site like this, Colm, the positon as to rules has to be pretty clear. either you're allowed advertise & give constant updates or you're not. Adam has chosen not, well within his rights.

Schumi

11/02/2005, 2:12 PM

Just to clarify, is it allowed for people to advertise fanzines or the like from the normal accounts? I.e. if I want to announce a new issue of STIG, is that OK?

GavinZac

11/02/2005, 3:09 PM

Just to clarify, is it allowed for people to advertise fanzines or the like from the normal accounts? I.e. if I want to announce a new issue of STIG, is that OK?

as far as i can tell from what adam has said to me publicly and privately, no. im open to correction though.

dahamsta

11/02/2005, 3:57 PM

What's actually wrong with these 'role accounts' though? How have they ever been abused in the past?I've deleted dozens of role accounts set up to advertise websites, products, tickets, travel, and more; some of them footie related, some of them not. FFO is the exception rather than the rule. And I don't like exceptions, they're untidy. :)

Just to clarify, is it allowed for people to advertise fanzines or the like from the normal accounts? I.e. if I want to announce a new issue of STIG, is that OK?My take on this is that announcements should be routed through mods, so they don't appear too often and only non-commercial stuff gets through. Your own situation creates a dilemma though, since you're a mod yourself. Perhaps mods should route their announcements up the chain?

I hate to pull the old "we do this as a service to the community" rabbit out of the hat again, but as of now that's ultimately still the case -- revenues for the site for it's entire lifetime amount to a grand total of about €250*; whereas expenses would amount to close to a thousand, and that doesn't even include hosting and bandwidth (it uses spare capacity on my servers, but that's still capacity). So it's not commercial, but it's not free ads either.

adam

* $100 from Google last year; another $100 I haven't received yet; a couple of books from my Amazon wish list, generously donated by Foot.ie users; and an amazingly generous surprise donation of €50 last week, from a gentleman who's never even posted on Foot.ie.

Risteard

24/05/2005, 9:19 PM

where are those grade level thingys gone?
New signing, reserves etc?

CCFC1924

24/03/2010, 1:28 PM

Lads I've been a member for a while and I've exceeded the 5 posts in 5 days, but I still can't start a thread or anything. Can ye sort it for me please?

dahamsta

24/03/2010, 5:05 PM

Odd. Can you try another post now please?

CCFC1924

25/03/2010, 12:49 AM

Lovely, the notice at the top is gone. Thanks a lot :)

skinny11

06/01/2011, 4:47 PM

hey how are things i want to change my username as people no who i am and i cant post anything without getting hassle or abuse can you help

dahamsta

06/01/2011, 5:09 PM

This is the 2nd time (http://foot.ie/threads/145797-quot-I-don-t-understand-how-to-use-a-forum-or-a-FAQ.-quot) you've posted in an off-topic thread. If you do it again, you won't be able to post at all on Foot.ie.

Either learn how to use the forum properly, or leave and don't come back.

smellyfeet

13/09/2011, 8:22 AM

How can i post a PDF File on Foot.ie

dahamsta

13/09/2011, 9:16 PM

You're new here, so you can't. You'll need to upload it somewhere else and link to it.

pineapple stu

14/09/2011, 8:01 AM

Five years is new?!

dahamsta

14/09/2011, 11:22 AM

Ah, I saw 4 and thought they only had 4 posts.

smellyfeet, when you're posting click Manage Attachments. You can add a PDF there,

dahamsta

29/10/2013, 10:57 PM

can u deactivate my account please immediately? why doesn't the site allow you to close your account?

Because account closure on Boards has led to a bunch of morons opening and closing accounts on a daily basis, because they can't discuss things like adults, or because they think they're clever when they're really not. This has led to the site turning into a homebase for more morons than norms, and going down the toilet big time.

You know the type, someone with a raft of infractions that lifts a two year old thread to ask a stupid question.

Banned, posts removed. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

McNasara

26/12/2013, 8:03 PM

Why I can't start a threads?

McNasara

27/12/2013, 4:34 PM

Why I can't start a threads?
Any news about it?

nigel-harps1954

27/12/2013, 4:37 PM

I think you have to be on the site for a certain period of time before you can do that? I could be wrong on that though.

McNasara

27/12/2013, 5:15 PM

I think you have to be on the site for a certain period of time before you can do that? I could be wrong on that though.
In fact, everything is fine now. Anyway, Nigel thanks for the reply.

Have another question for the local "old wolves", whether someone will update the list of clubs in the Premier Division subforum? As a passionate fan of the PD have plans to regularly write over there...

McNasara

16/01/2014, 3:14 PM

Have another question for the local "old wolves", whether someone will update the list of clubs in the Premier Division subforum? As a passionate fan of the PD have plans to regularly write over there...

Anyone???

nigel-harps1954

16/01/2014, 3:20 PM

Anyone???

That'll change before the start of the season. Always changes around the start of the season.

PCoq

01/12/2015, 10:52 PM

Hi can someone help me to change my username to peacock or PCoq as I want people in forums to know who I am

dahamsta

02/12/2015, 9:51 AM

Done.

PCoq

02/12/2015, 1:27 PM

Thank you

Trappe16

03/03/2016, 9:56 PM

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dahamsta

03/03/2016, 10:17 PM

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You'll need to do better than that if you want a thread. Explain who are you are and what you're doing.

Trappe16

03/03/2016, 10:21 PM

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