Mick McCarthy

[Jacktheman]

I think Mick will be back in the top seat after another disappointing world cup quaflier. We havent had a good manager since .. he has passion and would die for this country unlike some of the mangers mention for the post. any one with comments on this.

[osarusan]

Hi Mick, how are you?

[irishfan86]

I don't think he'll be the next Ireland manager, but I have great respect for him and wouldn't be upset if he was given the role.

He's enjoying relative success with Wolves and has them in the playoff places right now- don't know if he'd even want to leave the job for Ireland after he was hounded out last time.

[macdermesser]

I'd rather Mick than the Terry, Andy, Barry Venison, Gabi Yorath combo that is being touted at the moment.

From a career perspective, I don't think he is going to be offered a bigger club job than Wolves .. and the Irish job would surely a bigger job than Wolves. But cannot see it happening. Then again .. who saw a future where Roy Keane would be working for Niall Quinn.

[Jacktheman]

I think we will be offered the Sunderland job :) he said that one day he would hope to return to the irish job. he is still young and has plenty of experience.

[Green Tribe]

I'd welcome Mick back with open arms. True gent.

Same here, didn't want him to go in the first place :(

[dr_peepee]

Lads,

Take this or leave it.... I don't believe it but it didn't stop me sticking a tenner on it.. An uncle of mine works with some FAI personnel on occasion and apparently word is Mick McCarthy is coming back.. Can't believe I'm even posting it cos it does my head in when I read these "My Friends cousin says...." posts on other boards but that's what was passed on to me...

[Green Tribe]

Lads,

Take this or leave it.... I don't believe it but it didn't stop me sticking a tenner on it.. An uncle of mine works with some FAI personnel on occasion and apparently word is Mick McCarthy is coming back.. Can't believe I'm even posting it cos it does my head in when I read these "My Friends cousin says...." posts on other boards but that's what was passed on to me...

:eek: There is a god. You are probably winding us up.

[co. down green]

I Would welcome Mick.

Mick or Venables - no contest

[dr_peepee]

I jest you not.... (Unless of course I'm being fed the tripe)... 33-1 now... My Da and Bro got it a 50-1

[youngirish]

Not a great fan of Mick tbh. He's a decent Championship manager, no more, no less but would take him in a heartbeat over Venables. Have Hodgson and Houillier drifted out of the picture?

[jbyrne]

I'd welcome Mick back with open arms. True gent.

same here. his time in charge was my favourite following Ireland even though I was at Italia 90. his teams never gave less than 100% and he notched up some very impressive victories along the way. the way he was booed at lansdowne V the swiss '02 was an absolute disgrace and highlighted how stupid and shortsighted some of our fans are

[livehead1]

would love him back.

[paul_oshea]

if he copped on with picking harte and breen and the rest i wouldnt mindto be honest. all depends how much he has learnt from the first time round...

[lionelhutz]

Not a great fan of Mick tbh. He's a decent Championship manager, no more, no less but would take him in a heartbeat over Venables. Have Hodgson and Houillier drifted out of the picture?

Don't think Hodgson was ever in the picture - just touted by the media really. Nobody from the fai or his camp ever expressed interest

[Noelys Guitar]

McCarthy is one of 5/6 candidates for Australia manager. If he was asked I bet he would return. Wolves have money problems. So you never know.

[gustavo]

if he copped on with picking harte and breen and the rest i wouldnt mindto be honest. all depends how much he has learnt from the first time round...

:confused:

At the time of Micks reign Harte and Breen were there by merit , certainly in Breens case

[youngirish]

:confused:

At the time of Micks reign Harte and Breen were there by merit , certainly in Breens case

Sticking with Kilbane instead of Duff worried me more tbh and also persisting with Connolly though I accept we had a lack of options in that area he still gave Connolly far too many chances to impress.

[Kingdom]

Agreed re Breen and Harte. there were very little alternatives in fairness.

[irishfan86]

Breen was one of our best players in the world cup in 2002, so to question his inclusion by Mick seems foolish.

Ian Harte, for all his faults, was one of our top scorers during the WC 2002 qualification campaign.

As for Kilbane vs Duff, Kilbane was in his prime then, and Duff was just breaking through. It wasn't as if Duff was excluded altogether, he was just thrown around a bit, even playing up front.

Look at Wenger and Walcott, is Wenger going to be criticized down the line for playing Walcott as a winger right now?

Sometimes you have to play young players out of position if they're too good to be excluded but not good enough to play in their natural position.

[Beavis]

the way he was booed at lansdowne V the swiss '02 was an absolute disgrace and highlighted how stupid and shortsighted some of our fans are
here here, I was nearly sick that night.

[btid1]

I don't think I can handle much more of this speculation.Just appoint somebody PLEASE!!!!

Can't see McCarthy coming back to be honest.Think he felt he was too badly burnt the first time.

Would prefer my Sunday league manager ahead of Venables.I cant believe the media are touting him as some sort of saviour.I think an anti-Venables campaign needs to be started because the FAI wil just slumber into appointing this guy if we dont make our feelings known.

I dont think I could handle Del-Boy in charge of the Boys in Green!!!

[Drumcondra 69er]

Breen was one of our best players in the world cup in 2002, so to question his inclusion by Mick seems foolish.

Ian Harte, for all his faults, was one of our top scorers during the WC 2002 qualification campaign.

As for Kilbane vs Duff, Kilbane was in his prime then, and Duff was just breaking through. It wasn't as if Duff was excluded altogether, he was just thrown around a bit, even playing up front.

Look at Wenger and Walcott, is Wenger going to be criticized down the line for playing Walcott as a winger right now?

Sometimes you have to play young players out of position if they're too good to be excluded but not good enough to play in their natural position.

Harte was also playing in the CL or UEFA every season with Leeds back then and had been in the PFA team of the year a couple of years previous. He had a bad World Cup alright but he was there on merit. We couldn't afford to leave players playing for any of the top 4 in the EPL back then.

[jbyrne]

Harte was injured at that WC, for the record. And about the manager's job - there's no rush.

thats correct. apparently got a painkilling injection before each game for a foot injury and could hardly feel his foot as a result. how many of todays team would go through similar?

[paul_oshea]

lads he loved harte, and played him all over the shop because he was wanted to bum him. He brought breen everywhere with him like keane brought his dog, playing him in a sunderland team that conceded nearly the highest amount of goals against for a relegated team. I asked these questions before, but his loyalty and stubborness cost us previously, along with his inexperience, but I reckon he should have enough experience this time round to overcome that. I like Mick McCarthy and I think he would be a decent candidate but I could seriouslly see myself getting frustrated with him over the same things that he used to do when he was previouslly manager and everyone else coming on then and jumping on the bandwagon like most posters ( and fans ) do here saying this and that about mccarthy that some of us already knew and were unsure of him as a manager for this reason.

[shakermaker1982]

Mick has had his time as Ireland manager and now it's time to move on.

[Drumcondra 69er]

lads he loved harte, and played him all over the shop because he was wanted to bum him. He brought breen everywhere with him like keane brought his dog, playing him in a sunderland team that conceded nearly the highest amount of goals against for a relegated team. I asked these questions before, but his loyalty and stubborness cost us previously, along with his inexperience, but I reckon he should have enough experience this time round to overcome that. I like Mick McCarthy and I think he would be a decent candidate but I could seriouslly see myself getting frustrated with him over the same things that he used to do when he was previouslly manager and everyone else coming on then and jumping on the bandwagon like most posters ( and fans ) do here saying this and that about mccarthy that some of us already knew and were unsure of him as a manager for this reason.

Breen was magnificent for Sunderland the year before when they went up. Who was he going to replace him with after being given a budget of what, £10m to cover transfer fees and wages? And replace anyone who was out of contract. Sunderland were awful that year but they're hardly pulling up any trees this season despite spending over 10 times (!) what McCarthy had to buy players with. Can't blame him for sticking with Breen when he'd no other options and Breen is well respected by the fans of every club he's played for bar West Ham.

Wouldn't want him back in the Ireland squad of course!

[macdermesser]

Does Mc Carthy have a clause in his Wolves contract that will allow him to take the Irish job?

If no, then its a non-runner to begin with

[citizenerased]

Mick had his chance of 3 qulaifying campaigns and blew our best chance of getting near a world cup by sending keane home, unforgivable...he is also an FAI yes man, and a championship manager at best...a laughable suggestion i might add,!!!

[KevB76]

I'd chose Mick McCarthy over Venables or Houllier anyday, no contest :ball:

[citizenerased]

i turd that idea

[Ireland4ever]

Mick's time has come and gone, just because his tenure as manager coincided with our greatest ever player is no reason to be blind of the fact that Mick is an average manager.

[fergalr]

Bizarre thread.

What about Brian Kerr - He took us to within one game away from qualification - could we tempt him back from Pats? How about Eoin Hand - nearly got us out of the toughest group we even had to contend with - is he available? Hey, there's also Johnny Giles - a good media operator and in his day we had a formidable home record.

Get your bets on now folks.

[Jacktheman]

Mick had his chance of 3 qulaifying campaigns and blew our best chance of getting near a world cup by sending keane home, unforgivable...he is also an FAI yes man, and a championship manager at best...a laughable suggestion i might add,!!!

We hadnt a sniff of reaching a major tourment since Mick gone :mad: FACT

[youngirish]

What about Billy Davies? Bad record in the Premiership at Derby but hardly a surprise there considering the lack of funds. No-one can argue his extremely impressive record in the Championship. A young up and coming manager is exactly what we need not a has been like Venables or a never was quite good enough been like McCarthy.

[Jacktheman]

Mick had his chance of 3 qulaifying campaigns and blew our best chance of getting near a world cup by sending keane home, unforgivable...he is also an FAI yes man, and a championship manager at best...a laughable suggestion i might add,!!!

We have dad a sniff of getting to a world/European final since Mick has left us ...:mad: FACT

[citizenerased]

thats cos he sabotaged the first one, with a slaughtering by russia and a home defeat to the swiss...and to be fair we should have qualified for the last two campaigns...after saipan Micks position was untenable...

[Ireland4ever]

How do you go about removing rose-tinted spectacles from a thread???

[citizenerased]

lol ...good one i4e !

[Drumcondra 69er]

thats cos he sabotaged the first one, with a slaughtering by russia and a home defeat to the swiss...and to be fair we should have qualified for the last two campaigns...after saipan Micks position was untenable...

What a load of b0llix. Kerr had 6 games of that campaign and needed two wins from our last 2 games to win the group of 4 points for a play off. We got 1 point. Get a grip ffs. I was all for Kerr when he got appointed but his reign was garbage. Should've qualified for his 2 campaigns??

The only teams he managed to beat were Albania (once in 2 attempts), Georgia, Cyprusand the Faroes. He took 2 points out of a possible 9 v Switzerland,

2 out of 6 v Israel, 1 out of 3 v Russia– none of whom are exactly international heavyweights. The only top class team we came up against under Kerr was France, and we took 1 point out of 6 against them. In his first full campaign we finished 4th in a group for the first time in 20 years. And guess what? Roy Keane played in 6 out of the 10 games in that campaign.

Need I go on? Oh yeah, nearly forgot, Kerr's home record was probably the worst of any
Irish manager in history.

[youngirish]

Kerr was sh*te. McCarthy wasn't great either. We need someone new. Billy Davies (see previous post)?

[dr_peepee]

Cos' Billy Davies will take the Scotland Job when McLeish goes to Birmingham..

[Ireland4ever]

Im no Kerr fan but i think your talking ****** aswell




1 out of 3 v Russia– none of whom are exactly international heavyweights.
Need I go on?

He got a point against the same russian team that hammered us 4-2 under the tutelage of the Magic Mick.




Oh yeah, nearly forgot, Kerr's home record was probably the worst of any
Irish manager in history.

You really do like to show your ignorance....Kerr lost one friendly and one qualifier at home, against Italy & France respectively. Hardly cause for outrage.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Im no Kerr fan but i think your talking ****** aswell



He got a point against the same russian team that hammered us 4-2 under the tutelage of the Magic Mick.



You really do like to show your ignorance....Kerr lost one friendly and one qualifier at home, against Italy & France respectively. Hardly cause for outrage.

You're entitled to your opinion.

I'm talking competitive games where we were masters of grinding out draws btw.

[citizenerased]

as are you...the fact remains the only team mccarthy beat in the world cup was saudi arabia, a team which germany drubbed 8-0 the game before...shocking!!

[Drumcondra 69er]

as are you...the fact remains the only team mccarthy beat in the world cup was saudi arabia, a team which germany drubbed 8-0 the game before...shocking!!

And which only lost 1-0 to Cameroon. So what?

I'm sure all on here would give their rights arms to go to a finals and win one and draw 3 games now.

Fact is we were never out of the top 2 in his 3 campaigns. Only Charlton has a better record. I wouldn't be ecstatic at the thoughts of him coming back right now but the rewritting of history regarding his time in charge is embarrassing.

[Ireland4ever]

Fact is we were never out of the top 2 in his 3 campaigns. Only Charlton has a better record. I wouldn't be ecstatic at the thoughts of him coming back right now but the rewritting of history regarding his time in charge is embarrassing.


I would be of the same opinion, leaving out what happened in Saipan (If thats at all possible :mad:)i generally liked the guy. But he had his time, and theres no point going back.

[Supreme feet]

Don't forget, under McCarthy, we ground out draws at home to Lithuania, Iceland and Belgium - three results that cost us qualification for France '98. Also, McCarthy's disastrous team selections and tactics away to Croatia and Macedonia (Cascarino as lone striker, reverting to 4-5-1 in Skopje) cost us qualification for Euro 2000. Does anyone remember the Cyprus-esque near-embarrassment of Valletta in '99?

McCarthy was guilty of many of the sins that we castigate Kerr and Staunton for - only with a better, more experienced pool of players. We qualified for the 2002 WC with a healthy slice of luck - particularly in the home games against Holland and Portugal, and the fortune to draw Iran in the playoffs. Add to this the misguided favouritism he showed in his team selections... Some would say that his best team (for the away draws in Amsterdam and Lisbon) was only stumbled upon because Babb and Kennedy decided to dance on police cars in Harcourt Street. I would applaud McCarthy for what he did in that campaign, as luck can only take you so far, but the previous campaigns left a lot to be desired, particularly with the players we had available.

His management record in recent times is respectable, but I wouldn't take him back, as I think a departure from the 'old order' is badly needed.

[Jacktheman]

last time we got to a world cup

Manager - Mick McCarthy

Fact.

No matter what we said about anything or any one else

[Jacktheman]

Don't forget, under McCarthy, we ground out draws at home to Lithuania, Iceland and Belgium - three results that cost us qualification for France '98. Also, McCarthy's disastrous team selections and tactics away to Croatia and Macedonia (Cascarino as lone striker, reverting to 4-5-1 in Skopje) cost us qualification for Euro 2000. Does anyone remember the Cyprus-esque near-embarrassment of Valletta in '99?

McCarthy was guilty of many of the sins that we castigate Kerr and Staunton for - only with a better, more experienced pool of players. We qualified for the 2002 WC with a healthy slice of luck - particularly in the home games against Holland and Portugal, and the fortune to draw Iran in the playoffs. Add to this the misguided favouritism he showed in his team selections... Some would say that his best team (for the away draws in Amsterdam and Lisbon) was only stumbled upon because Babb and Kennedy decided to dance on police cars in Harcourt Street. I would applaud McCarthy for what he did in that campaign, as luck can only take you so far, but the previous campaigns left a lot to be desired, particularly with the players we had available.

His management record in recent times is respectable, but I wouldn't take him back, as I think a departure from the 'old order' is badly needed.

To finish second in an group containing Holland and portugal is one hell of achievement cant see that happening again .. i guarnatee you we will be looking for a new manager in 2 years time.:mad: