Cliftonville & Donegal Celtic Merger

[kingdomkerry]

Why do'nt Cliftonville and Donegal Celtic merge to form Belfast Celtic and play in the League of Ireland?

[Da Real Rover]

Why do'nt Cliftonville and Donegal Celtic merge to form Belfast Celtic and play in the League of Ireland?

Even better, why dont Pats, Bohs, Shams, Shels and UCD merge to be Dublin United?? Cliftonville are North Belfast and Donegal Celtic are West Belfast, with two different fan bases, traditions etc.

[kingdomkerry]

And what are these two clubs thoughts on playing in the league of Ireland like Derry?

[Pablo Escobar]

Why do'nt Cliftonville and Donegal Celtic merge to form Belfast Celtic and play in the League of Ireland?
Why not go back to 1969 and have another Battle of the Bogside!?

Silly suggestion, sounds more political than anything else!

[Pablo Escobar]

And what are these two clubs thoughts on playing in the league of Ireland like Derry?
They're happy where they are. Derry were forced out!

[kingdomkerry]

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They're happy where they are. Derry were forced out!

I asked them for their "thoughts" on joining the LOI is all??

[Pablo Escobar]

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I asked them for their "thoughts" on joining the LOI is all??

Appreciated, but wouldn't be a good idea :o

[kingdomkerry]

Why not?? We need more diversity in the league. Nobody wants to see a dublin and a few others league!

[Pablo Escobar]

Why not??

First of all because UEFA wouldn't allow it. Derry only came in as there wasn't any alternative!

Secondly, why did you chose Cliftonville/DC rather than Linfield, Portadown, Glentoran etc.?

We can't leave politics rule sport!

[gspain]

Why do'nt Cliftonville and Donegal Celtic merge to form Belfast Celtic and play in the League of Ireland?

Surely it would make sense for the 2 clubs in west Belfast - DC and Linfield or the 2 clubs in north Belfast to merge Crusaders and Cliftonville. In reality it doesn't make sens for any of them to merge.

[SolitudeRed]

Why do'nt Cliftonville and Donegal Celtic merge to form Belfast Celtic and play in the League of Ireland?

They'll never merge I'd say! and as for playing in the EL well can't see it happening in the forseeable future! don't know if playing Longford or Cobh would attract as many fans as the North Belfast derby or a match against the Glens would!


Secondly, why did you chose Cliftonville/DC rather than Linfield, Portadown, Glentoran etc.?

We can't leave politics rule sport!

Exactly! I'd say an all Ireland league is a more favourable idea if you want a better variety of teams! things have moved on politically maybe it could be worked out some day but I'll not hold my breath!

[SolitudeRed]

Surely it would make sense for the 2 clubs in west Belfast - DC and Linfield or the 2 clubs in north Belfast to merge Crusaders and Cliftonville. In reality it doesn't make sens for any of them to merge.

Linfield are south Belfast but their ground is close to west Belfast to be fair!

[Not Brazil]

Donegal Celtic's Chairmain is on the record having stated that his club are committed to playing in the Irish League, under the authority of the Irish Football Association.

Here's an interesting thought:

Why don't Rangers and Celtic merge to form "Glasgow United", and apply to join the English League?:rolleyes:

[dcfcsteve]

Why do'nt Cliftonville and Donegal Celtic merge to form Belfast Celtic and play in the League of Ireland?

Sweet God - where do you start with this one......! :eek:

[kingdomkerry]

Sweet God - where do you start with this one......! :eek:

Sure go on, im interested!!

[dcfcsteve]

Sure go on, im interested!!


In summary :

1) Why should they merge ? Is it just because you consider them 'Catholic' ?
2) Why would they want to merge ? They're 2 very different clubs with very different histories, serving different communities. And they're rivals.
3) Why would thye not only merge but then erase any sense of their previous identites by adopting the title of a team that died 60yrs ago that they have no connection with ?
4) The Belfast Celtic name is actually owned by someone, so couldn't just be adopted willy nilly. It's current owner has expressed no interest in seeing the club revived, nor is there any pressure form anyone in Belfast to revive the club.
5) Why should they move league if they did or even didn't merge ? Again, is it just because you consider them Catholic teams in a league you consider predominantly Protestant?
6) Why would the EL want to accept them ? In particular, Donegal Celtic would add nothing to either a merger or the EL. They have no fans and an absolutely dreadful ground.
7) Why would anyone in UEFA/FIFA sit by and let it happen without kicking-up an almighty fuss ?
8) Why would anyone in the Northern Irish assembly and Irish government not put serious pressure on the FAI to stop any such move ?

And that's only a brief summary for starters.

Sure why not amalgamate Kerry and Cork counties and call the joint thing 'Kark' instead.

You're usually a sensible head on here KH, but you've been on the wacky pills with this one I'm afraid.

[Graemerz]

If any Northern team will be joining the Eircom League it will be Linfield, however I can't see that happening...

[Graemerz]

6) Why would the EL want to accept them ? In particular, Donegal Celtic would add nothing to either a merger or the EL. They have no fans and an absolutely dreadful ground.

Its worse than dreadful. :eek:

[Mr A]

Sure why not amalgamate Kerry and Cork counties and call the joint thing 'Kark' instead.

Good idea.

Then saw it off and push it out to sea.

[Steve Bruce]

It's time people forgot about teams changing leagues etc.

The only way we'll have an all-ireland league is if their is a break-away between the LOI and Irish League teams.

And even then it is not feaseable unless we get some sort of UEFA blessing and have our European places still intact. But how would it work with an independant governing body who has no say in the two National sides I don't know.

However I do not think unifying the two leagues would help standards much anyway. Sure their will be a few more bigger games, but what really would it change?

[Graemerz]

It's time people forgot about teams changing leagues etc.

The only way we'll have an all-ireland league is if their is a break-away between the LOI and Irish League teams.

And even then it is not feaseable unless we get some sort of UEFA blessing and have our European places still intact. But how would it work with an independant governing body who has no say in the two National sides I don't know.

However I do not think unifying the two leagues would help standards much anyway. Sure their will be a few more bigger games, but what really would it change?

It would certainly raise the standard. There are about 8 good sides in the Eircom League and about 4 in the Carnegie League. It would certainly help Linfield playing Drogheda/Cork/Derry than playing glorified amateur sides such as Limavady/Armagh/Institute. Lesser teams can drag quality sides down to their level. I fear Linfield are currently being dragged down by the very poor standard of the rest of the league.

[Steve Bruce]

It would certainly raise the standard. There are about 8 good sides in the Eircom League and about 4 in the Carnegie League. It would certainly help Linfield playing Drogheda/Cork/Derry than playing glorified amateur sides such as Limavady/Armagh/Institute. Lesser teams can drag quality sides down to their level. I fear Linfield are currently being dragged down by the very poor standard of the rest of the league.

No I think DJ is dragging our standard down with his tactics or lack of.

[kingdom hoop]

You're usually a sensible head on here KH, but you've been on the wacky pills with this one I'm afraid.

While admittedly there has been a distinct upsurge in my consumption of wacky pills (lovely strong batch came in from Pakistan recently) of late, unfortunately they don't quite induce clarity to an extent that allows me to infiltrate my sister's account; she's Kerry, I'm Hoop - clearly our parents were on the wacky pills too.

Apology accepted in advance. :)

[dcfcsteve]

While admittedly there has been a distinct upsurge in my consumption of wacky pills (lovely strong batch came in from Pakistan recently) of late, unfortunately they don't quite induce clarity to an extent that allows me to infiltrate my sister's account; she's Kerry, I'm Hoop - clearly our parents were on the wacky pills too.

Apology accepted in advance. :)

So you're essentially telling me that you're not a sensible head then....? ;)

Too many Kingdoms, so little time. Apologies for not seeing through the false moustache and glasses. :)

[kingdom hoop]

So you're essentially telling me that you're not a sensible head then....? ;)



Meh, only in the same way that you tell someone you love them but you don't love everything they do.

I might make sense but I don't do sense, ****, hang on, does that make sense?

[dcfcsteve]

Meh, only in the same way that you tell someone you love them but you don't love everything they do.

I might make sense but I don't do sense, ****, hang on, does that make sense?

You know - I've never seen you and Kerry Hoop in the same room at the same time together.

And you do look very similar.

Hmmm.....

[SolitudeRed]

Here's an interesting thought:

Why don't Rangers and Celtic merge to form "Glasgow United", and apply to join the English League?:rolleyes:

Would love to see Glasgows ugly sisters move to the premiership playing big clubs every week would take its toll on their players and expose how s***e they really are!


No I think DJ is dragging our standard down with his tactics or lack of.

criticising DJ after all that hes done at Linfield:eek:

[whitewell red]

No I think DJ is dragging our standard down with his tactics or lack of.


Sounds like some people are spoilt rotten. DJ was the best manager in he league, that was until E Patterson came along.

Think he is the best that money can buy in the Irish league and that's why he is at Linfield.

If you think someone can do better. Who?

Also think that it has come to a stage that Linfield don't have it all their own way anymore and some people don't like it.

[Not Brazil]

Also think that it has come to a stage that Linfield don't have it all their own way anymore and some people don't like it.

I know - it's desperate altogether!

We had to settle for a League and Cup double last year.:cool:

[whitewell red]

I know - it's desperate altogether!

We had to settle for a League and Cup double last year.:cool:


OK but how confident are you about wining a double this year, think a few years ago Linfield would usually have win the lot.

PS
I think I remember the Irish league having about five or six cups up for grabs in one season, Is this right or was I dreaming?

[BleusAvantTout]

I think I remember the Irish league having about five or six cups up for grabs in one season, Is this right or was I dreaming?

You're right. I guess you have to be right about summit!!;)

[Not Brazil]

OK but how confident are you about wining a double this year, think a few years ago Linfield would usually have win the lot.


Very confident about retaining the Gibson Cup - anything else on top is a bonus.

The rest of your comment is just nonsense.

[dortie]

Derry were forced out!

We were thrown out...blessing in disguise it was too.

[whitewell red]

Very confident about retaining the Gibson Cup - anything else on top is a bonus.

The rest of your comment is just nonsense.


Are you only confident about wining the Gibson cup?

because that's what it sounds like

if so, how is what I said nonsense

and for the Gibson cup, if we don't win it I can't see past the glens, they are twice the team the blues are this year.

[Graemerz]

and for the Gibson cup, if we don't win it I can't see past the glens, they are twice the team the blues are this year.

Wait a minute while I laugh my ballix off...

[dcfcsteve]

We were thrown out...blessing in disguise it was too.

Not true I'm afraid.

We resigned from the Irish league on 13th October 1972 - because we weren't allowed to return to the Brandywell by the Irish League Management Committee (despite the security forces confirming games there presented no risk).

Though you're definitely right that it was a blessing in disguise..... :D

[Not Brazil]

and for the Gibson cup, if we don't win it I can't see past the glens, they are twice the team the blues are this year.

Oh ffs.:D

FOREVER IN OUR SHADOW :cool: