Ireland to bid for the World Cup in 2018?

[jmurphyc]

The GAA could get by with using Thurles, Gaelic Grounds and the countless others they have for a 4 week period if they were enticed financially to do so!

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I'd say they would probably feel that this would entice young kids away from GAA and potentially ruin the future of the GAA. Young kids would see the world cup games on TV, see Ireland having a massive crowd behind them and possibly doing well, overall enjoy the whole world cup experience and decide to start playing football as opposed to GAA.

As an example, the likes of Robbie Keane and Damien Duff (and the rest of their generation) supposedly saw Itala '90 on tv and decided to start playing football. I may have my facts wrong there, but if that's the case then the GAA would feel that the argument not to let the FAI have the stadium would be a compelling one.

[DaveyCakes]

The GAA could get by with using Thurles, Gaelic Grounds and the countless others they have for a 4 week period if they were enticed financially to do so!

*sigh*

A world cup bid would need every decent sized stadium that the GAA posess.

Olympic games are awarded to cities, World Cups and European Championships are awarded to countries. Ireland will never host a world cup and will not host a European championship until there are some decent stadia outside Dublin.

[stojkovic]

Have you any idea of the amount of people that would visit the country for those four weeks.

I was in Orlando in 94 and they couldnt cope with 80,000 Irish, Mexicans, Belgians and Dutch. And Orlando is the tourist capital of the fcuking World. A copper told me that he'd never seen anything like it in his life.

Sounds great sending 80,000 fans down to Killarney.

Tournaments in Germany/France/Holland/Belgium you get alot of daytrippers because it is so easy to travel there from nearly anywhere in Western and Central Europe.

This is just another case of the FAI and Fianna Fail wasting our money on white elephants (Bertie Bowl, Electronic Voting) and projects that cost twice the budget (LUAS, Port Tunnel, M50).

We will get a UEFA Cup Final in 3/4 years when Lansdowne is finished and thats it.

[kingdomkerry]

Have you any idea of the amount of people that would visit the country for those four weeks.

I was in Orlando in 94 and they couldnt cope with 80,000 Irish, Mexicans, Belgians and Dutch. And Orlando is the tourist capital of the fcuking World. A copper told me that he'd never seen anything like it in his life.

Sounds great sending 80,000 fans down to Killarney.

Tournaments in Germany/France/Holland/Belgium you get alot of daytrippers because it is so easy to travel there from nearly anywhere in Western and Central Europe.

This is just another case of the FAI and Fianna Fail wasting our money on white elephants (Bertie Bowl, Electronic Voting) and projects that cost twice the budget (LUAS, Port Tunnel, M50).

We will get a UEFA Cup Final in 3/4 years when Lansdowne is finished and thats it.

Killarney would be well capable of hosting 80,000 people. 35 hotels and countless B&Bs, better than most cities actually!

[Noelys Guitar]

FIFA to be shown around Various empty fields by Seamo and Bertie. Vague mentions of Bowls, huge stadiums, and some shifty looks. And then FIFA will depart and say what a great country we are. Just don't mention the world cup.

[mypost]

Have you any idea of the amount of people that would visit the country for those four weeks.

Sounds great sending 80,000 fans down to Killarney.

Bugger that, imagine sending 80,000 "sackr" fans down to Thurles?? :D:D:D

[Lionel Ritchie]

Killarney would be well capable of hosting 80,000 people. 35 hotels and countless B&Bs, better than most cities actually!

Killarney would be well capable of fleecing 80,000 people to destitution as well. :D

[stojkovic]

Killarney would be well capable of hosting 80,000 people. 35 hotels and countless B&Bs, better than most cities actually!

2,000 beds (approx 700 rooms) in every hotel. Fcuking well done Killarney.

Letter in tonights Herald sums it up 'the country's a kip'.

[lopez]

A lot of us figured that out a long time ago . . . and left!Don't mention the 'E' word. :eek:

[theworm2345]

Considering that could be the only way we qualify, yes :)

[backstothewall]

The only chance we ever have of getting anything like this is a joint bid with the North.

Lansdowne Road
Croke Park
The Maze
The Glens new ground (if they build it and with a lot of development)
The new Brandywell (if they build it and with a lot of development)
And something new in Cork and Galway.

That might give us the capacity to host a Euro's (or a Rugby World Cup). And if we did it with the North we could ride the peace wave through the bidding process. The novelty of this is wearing off on the world though.

The cost would be unreal. But the standard of stadia in Ireland, both north and south, is a national disgrace.

[stojkovic]

A lot of us figured that out a long time ago . . . and left!

So did I.

Unfortunately I came back to the second richest country in the World.

I was mis-informed.

[Lionel Ritchie]

The only chance we ever have of getting anything like this is a joint bid with the North.

Lansdowne Road
Croke Park
The Maze
The Glens new ground (if they build it and with a lot of development)
The new Brandywell (if they build it and with a lot of development)
And something new in Cork and Galway.

That might give us the capacity to host a Euro's (or a Rugby World Cup). And if we did it with the North we could ride the peace wave through the bidding process. The novelty of this is wearing off on the world though.

The cost would be unreal. But the standard of stadia in Ireland, both north and south, is a national disgrace.

I'm not quite sure what I'm feeling snubbed about but anyway :D you include four non existant stadia in Lisburn, Derry, Cork and Galway and disregard an actual 26,000 capacity stadium, owned by the (relatively benevolent) IRFU that they're building as I write on a Sunday night across the road from me here in Limerick.:confused:

[kingdom hoop]

2,000 beds (approx 700 rooms) in every hotel. Fcuking well done Killarney.


I don't know where you got your figures, they must be way off. But anyway, given Killarney has the second highest accommodation capacity in the country I think, instead of your cheeky sarcasm, some heartfelt plaudits are due to people like my uncle and grandparents who, although the product was largely there, did a fantastic and innovative job of promoting the town to the extent that it is now probably the tourism capital of the country, providing much needed revenue to a region where other sectors aren't so hot, and has been so successful that, as Lionel bears witness to, prices there aren't all that far off Dublin standards.

[kingdomkerry]

I don't know where you got your figures, they must be way off. But anyway, given Killarney has the second highest accommodation capacity in the country I think, instead of your cheeky sarcasm, some heartfelt plaudits are due to people like my uncle and grandparents who, although the product was largely there, did a fantastic and innovative job of promoting the town to the extent that it is now probably the tourism capital of the country, providing much needed revenue to a region where other sectors aren't so hot, and has been so successful that, as Lionel bears witness to, prices there aren't all that far off Dublin standards.

What are you on about a pint in Killarney is €3.90 Ive paid €6.20 in Dublin, Rent €250 average vs €500 average. Petrol is cheapest in the country, Accodation goes on supply and demand and food is the same as it is everywhere.

Know the facts first!

[pete]

What are you on about a pint in Killarney is €3.90 Ive paid €6.20 in Dublin,


Are you really comparing like with like? :rolleyes:

Moderator: Anyway that is way off topic - please start a Tourism thread in Off Topic if you like

[osarusan]

I don't know where you got your figures, they must be way off. But anyway, given Killarney has the second highest accommodation capacity in the country I think, instead of your cheeky sarcasm, some heartfelt plaudits are due to people like my uncle and grandparents who, although the product was largely there, did a fantastic and innovative job of promoting the town to the extent that it is now probably the tourism capital of the country, providing much needed revenue to a region where other sectors aren't so hot, and has been so successful that, as Lionel bears witness to, prices there aren't all that far off Dublin standards.
Kingdom Hoop, I think this post


2,000 beds (approx 700 rooms) in every hotel. Fcuking well done Killarney.

was a reply to this post


Killarney would be well capable of hosting 80,000 people. 35 hotels and countless B&Bs, better than most cities actually!

The fact is, Killarney couldnt host 80,000 people for a World Cup game.

35 hotels (and "countless" B&Bs) is not enough.

Not to mention how the fans would get there (a 100 carriage train?/flights every 20 mins?). Bear in mind everybody will be traveling to and from Killarney at roughly the same time on the same day.

Where are the teams going to train? Are there 32 different top class training facilities available? (in Ireland as a whole, obviously, not just Killarney)

The fact is, Ireland would be totally incapable of holding a World Cup on its own, and joint bids with Scotland/Wales/N. Ireland would still be too weak, and FIFA wouldn't accept a bid from all together, because they don't want to give 3/4 automatic qualifying places.

[ifk101]

Osarusan,

Yes Killarney will never host a World Cup game.

But I don't see why Killarney couldn't host 80,000 people if it was given 6/7 years notice.

Don't forget that quite a sizeable number of people chose to go camping instead of staying in B&B's and hotels during the World Cup. And as we all know, there's plenty of halting sizes in Kerry to accomodate these people ;).

[RogerMilla]

alright lads , time for a wake up call , world cup games in killarney !! jaysis!!
We will never see a world cup here. A joint bid for a euro might be accepted but it would take some serious work and lobbying and a top class partner ( i.e not norn iron) and a hope that the competition wasnt too fierce or too well connected , in fact its possibly pie-in-the-sky stuff too. But the general sentiment that we need to improve facilities is great and i for one would love to see an improved bid to our shambolic last attempt.

[NeilMcD]

The Greatest Thread ever on Foot.ie. I have just got out of bed and smelt some coffee.

[kingdomkerry]

Are you really comparing like with like? :rolleyes:



Yes, Heineken:o

[Thunderblaster]

But I don't see why Killarney couldn't host 80,000 people if it was given 6/7 years notice.

Bloody hell, if these 80,000 people heard the real JHR Kerry accent, you would have the greatest mass evacuation ever in the history of the state. You would want translators down there to translate the Kerry accent into English, Spanish, Italian, German or any language that pops into town!!:eek::D

[Pád Von Tirpitz]

As an example, the likes of Robbie Keane and Damien Duff (and the rest of their generation) supposedly saw Itala '90 on tv and decided to start playing football.

No, they started playing football because they are from Dublin where kids play football.

[Risteard]

As it stands they will have Wembley, Old Trafford, Emirates, the new Stamford Bridge, the new Anfield, the new Goodison, Villa Park, St James' Pk, Madejski . . . and on and on.

First I've heard of this.

[carloz]

This is the greates sports competition in the world and we are talkign about Ireland having it and one of the grounds being in Killarney!!! Time for a bloody reality check people. Complete ****** and more spin to try and make people believe that the FAI are 'forward thinking'

[pete]

Another World Cup (http://www.homelessworldcup.org/) Ireland could apply to host!

:p

[Lionel Ritchie]

Another World Cup (http://www.homelessworldcup.org/) Ireland could apply to host!

:p

Something very apt in Ireland hosting this ...get the application in there.

[NeilMcD]

Another World Cup (http://www.homelessworldcup.org/) Ireland could apply to host!

:p

I know who could host this alright

[backstothewall]

I'm not quite sure what I'm feeling snubbed about but anyway :D you include four non existant stadia in Lisburn, Derry, Cork and Galway and disregard an actual 26,000 capacity stadium, owned by the (relatively benevolent) IRFU that they're building as I write on a Sunday night across the road from me here in Limerick.:confused:

I had no idea. My interest in Munster Rugby is limited to European Cup finals.

Stand up for the Ulstermen!!:D

[backstothewall]

Plans look nice.

Whoever is throwing up 27,000 seats for €40,000,000 should be given the plans for Eircom Park and the BertieBowl and told to see what he can do one of them for

[jmurphyc]

No, they started playing football because they are from Dublin where kids play football.

Yes, but would they have continued playing it to the level they are playing it at now? They may have played football along with other sports when they were kids and ended up becoming GAA players instead. I was too young to remember but I was under the impression that the Irish international team became a lot more popular after the tournaments in '88 and '90.

Anyway, there is no way we're going to get to host a world cup in the near future. People who think otherwise are seriously deluded.

[Jerry The Saint]

My interest in Munster Rugby is limited to European Cup finals.


Just like 80% of their supporters so.

[EalingGreen]

Anyway, there is no way we're going to get to host a world cup in the near future. People who think otherwise are seriously deluded.

I would say they are comically deluded, myself! ;)

[The Legend]

Next Luxemburg will be putting in a bid...

[kingdom hoop]

I would say they are comically deluded, myself!

I prefer to call myself a dreamer. Why do people always laugh at dreamers? Great ideas are spawned by what at the time seem outlandish dreams. Aim high and you might get there, aim low and you won't go far. How many projects in Ireland are characterised by not aiming high enough and not looking far enough ahead? We seem to be congenitally predisposed to being meek, unambitious creatures.

I'm hell bent on bringing the World Cup to Ireland. :D

Obviously only joking really, I realise it's pretty much pie in the sky, but if this thread is anything to go by it's no wonder our planners aren't far-sighted enough. Anyway, a few points worth noting. Our population is the fastest growing in Europe, to cope with this, regardless of the impending World Cup, we will need to continually invest in infrastructure over the next ten years. Dublin is something like the 10th most visited city in the world, that's pretty crazy for a relatively small city and country, we seem to manage the crowds relatively ok given the shockingly bad strategic planning. Tourism is a crucial, and will become more so in an economic slow down, industry. We need continued investment in all such services if we want to deliver satisfaction in order to maintain and develop the torrent of visiting hordes. Supposedly, we are very welcoming, we take great pleasure in looking after foreign visitors, projecting a favourable image of ourselves as being able to cater for tourists. If we set our minds to it I think we might just be able to do it. As I said, I'm a dreamer.

And in case ye're wondering, yes I do like living in my deluded bubble. :D

[EalingGreen]

I prefer to call myself a dreamer. Why do people always laugh at dreamers? Great ideas are spawned by what at the time seem outlandish dreams. Aim high and you might get there, aim low and you won't go far.

I dreamed about Beyonce the other night. I had some great ideas for her, aimed high (and low) and outlandish though it may seem, we both went far - in fact, all the way.

But if I put a proposition to her in real life, or even published the details of my dream, I honestly couldn't expect anyone to take me very seriously...;)

[kingdom hoop]

Nice dream there Ealing Green, must have been a pleasant night for you, hope you've changed the bed sheets since. :)

Anyway, in the course of that dream did you figure what it might actually take to get Beyonce? Did you appreciate that there were some valuable lessons to be learned to take into real life? That maybe in fact you could set your sights a little higher, that you weren't being ambitious enough heretofore, apply the lessons of seeing what it would take to capture a queen to allow you progress from the mutts you usually get to something more in mid-range?

[EalingGreen]

Nice dream there Ealing Green, must have been a pleasant night for you, hope you've changed the bed sheets since. :)

Anyway, in the course of that dream did you figure what it might actually take to get Beyonce? Did you appreciate that there were some valuable lessons to be learned to take into real life? That maybe in fact you could set your sights a little higher, that you weren't being ambitious enough heretofore, apply the lessons of seeing what it would take to capture a queen to allow you progress from the mutts you usually get to something more in mid-range?

On balance, I think I have a better chance with Beyonce than you have with your World Cup Bid for Kerry.

P.S. I don't have to change my own sheets, since I have a woman who comes in and does all my cleaning for me. You might have heard of her - Nicole Kidman's her name

[backstothewall]

Nicole you kidnapped more like :)

[Lim till i die]

Just like 80% of their supporters so.

ZING!!!!!!!! :)


On a more serious note lads, Five pages?? FIVE PAGES?? On this??

Outstanding :D

There is more chance of my own fair city hosting the world knife throwing championships.

[osarusan]

There is more chance of my own fair city hosting the next world knife throwing championships.

Agreed, holding 4 championships in a row was too much. Other cities should get a go. Birmingham, anyone? (http://www.emmaglobalvillage.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3289&Itemid=941)

[youngirish]

ZING!!!!!!!! :)


On a more serious note lads, Five pages?? FIVE PAGES?? On this??

Outstanding :D

There is more chance of my own fair city hosting the world knife throwing championships.
It holds that every weekend.

[KianD]

On a side note for this, I've been told the English bid is going to include Elland Road, 'renovated'

Do they expect the attending fans to become dwarves by 2018 or is "renovation" going to take half the seats out? Its got a tighter seating pitch than Croker by some margin in parts...

[RogerMilla]

On a side note for this, I've been told the English bid is going to include Elland Road, 'renovated'

Do they expect the attending fans to become dwarves by 2018 or is "renovation" going to take half the seats out? Its got a tighter seating pitch than Croker by some margin in parts...

nothign of the sort kian , they'll be in the premiership by then and champions league and they can borrow a load of money to build an 80,000 capacity stadium and a load of 100M GBP players....

[EalingGreen]

On a side note for this, I've been told the English bid is going to include Elland Road, 'renovated'

Do they expect the attending fans to become dwarves by 2018 or is "renovation" going to take half the seats out? Its got a tighter seating pitch than Croker by some margin in parts...

Perhaps they mean rebuilding, rather than renovation? AFAIK, England will require (be required?) to have an equal geographical spread of stadia as one of the bid criteria. Therefore, certain potentially suitable grounds may have to be overlooked if they are too close to other competing grounds (e.g. in London, the North West, Midlands, North East). By the same token, other ostensibly unsuitable grounds may have to be improved to serve other regions of England.

The only two grounds which might conceivably serve Yorkshire are Hillsborough or Elland Road, of which the latter is probably a more likely bet.

(The South Coast of England is also a problem, since St. Mary's is modern enough, but probably too small. Similarly, if/when Pompey move from Fratton Park, their new Ground might not be big enough, either)

[backstothewall]

On the other hand England is in a fairly unique sitation of being able to base a whole group in 1 city, or region.

i.e.

Group A: Manchester: Old Trafford, City of Man, Reebok
Group B: Mersyside: Anfield, Stanley Park, New Goodison, Wigan
Group C: North East: St. James, Riverside, SOL
Group D: West Midlands: Villa Park, Ricoh Arena, New Birmingham City Ground
Group E: London (N): Wembley, Ashburton Grove, White Hart Lane
Group F: London (S): Olympic Stadium, The Valley, Upton Park, Stamford Bridge
Group G: Yorkshire: KC Stadium, Ellend Road, Hillborough, Brammel Lane
Group H: East Midlands: Pride Park, Walkers Stadium, sometihng new in nottingham maybe?

It would mean fans not having to dash about the place on trains every few days. Bit **** if your stuck in Yorkshire, but they are the only country that has the facilities to do it. They could almost do it now.

[KianD]

(The South Coast of England is also a problem, since St. Mary's is modern enough, but probably too small. Similarly, if/when Pompey move from Fratton Park, their new Ground might not be big enough, either)

The new Brighton stadium at Moulscoomb/"Falmer" is designed to be easily extended to 50k by adding a cantilevered second tier over the lot of it, although this would be almost as expensive as ensuring Fratton Park is. After that there's realistically no chance Home Park would be up to it - the current plans are to REDUCE capacity... and we're out of south coast League clubs.

The Wessex Stadium (Weymouth, recently ex-League), while decent enough for the eL wouldn't quite do it either methinks :D

[Lim till i die]

It holds that every weekend.

It's not funny when I've already said it :rolleyes:

Also, as someone who obviously would have far more experience than you in this sort of thing, let me assure you the key to a good stabbing is to keep a firm hold of the knife

Infact, throwing it would be daft

[lopez]

Agreed, holding 4 championships in a row was too much. Other cities should get a go. Birmingham, anyone? (http://www.emmaglobalvillage.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3289&Itemid=941)Glasgow and Abuja were both competing for this honour this week...er...wait...no that was the Commonwealth Games. :o:o

[backstothewall]

A lot of the new English stadia are built now with extension in mind. Sunderland for example can be easily expanded. I would say it is unlikely England would build any stadiums, probably just expand what they have.