David O'Leary

[Scram]

He's favourite as you know so what is the consensus here?

Absolutely NO.

He was made look good at Leeds for a short while primarily because of home grown talent like Kewell, Harte, Woodgate and £120m compliments of the incompetent Ridsdale. Spending £8m on Seth fcuckin Johnson! Robbie Keane £11m only to leave hinm on the bench. How Robbie would look forward to working with O'Dreary again!

A self serving blame merchant who has not the sligtest ability to bond with players. He will turn on the players or the board or the fans to suit his needs, and when it all goes belly-up, write a book about it, the FAI would love that!

Would like to see a poll on each favourite as the decision approaches.

[CollegeTillIDie]

NO I'd rather have Billy Bingham !

[Noelys Guitar]

Big no. I don't believe he is favourite with the fans either. Bookies making up the odds. Serial whinger and not what we need after STan.

[SkStu]

NO I'd rather have Billy Bingham !

Id rather have Tracey Bingham!

[Colbert Report]

The next Ireland manager will be John Sheridan.

[Sligo Hornet]

A resounding NO THANK YOU!:eek:....He is not a good motivater, always has excuses when things go wrong,and talks absolute b****ks for hours on end when asked a question..............so to recap.....NO NO NO NO!!!:eek:

[inchicore_saint]

O'Leary is known for publicly blaming players for bad results which means he has very little respect from players who use to play for him,so I dont think he would be a good choice to manage Ireland.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Id rather have Tracey Bingham!
I'd rather have her PERSONALLY but can she manage? :D

[IsMiseSean]

I dont want O'Leary, i think it would be better if our new manager wasn't Irish

Coppell for Ireland

[drummerboy]

While I think there are better candidates than O'Leary, I feel he could certainly do a job. Anybody who can bring a team to the last four of the champions league and finish in the top four in the premiership has something to offer. Don't believe all the tripe the red-tops spew about O'Leary.

[gspain]

Absolutely NO WAY.

How come no English club is even considering him now? He has been found out. Just look at his villa record and the improvement when they got a proper manager.

As was said at Leeds he'd know the chairman's wife's name but not the captain of the youth team's name.

We need a manager who has been successful and preferably one with International experience. It doesn't have to be an Irishman.

[Angus]

Agree with Drummerboy - clearly O'Leary could do a decent job. There are basically 4 aspects to a gig like this - coaching, man management, media / PR and logistics.

Logistics are primarily somebody else's gig (a la Saipan) but demanding the best is key.

The first 2 are the most important and clearly he has top class experience in this - he shares the blame for the Leeds thing but we all make mistakes - he can coach, he could probably manage men, would be OK at media.

It is a complete lottery - once you reach a certain experience and credibility threshhold.

[Dr. Ogba]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo...(deep breath)...oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o!!!!!

[shelbourne1904]

What if he started all that "My babies "drivil again!!
Im feeling sick

[MyTown]

I idolised Brady, O'Leary and Stapleton when they were at Highbury.

But each of them in his turn have been absolutely brutal managers, so I wouldn't let them near any team I wanted to do well

Blame Bertie Mee or Terry Neill maybe?:confused::D

[Sligo Hornet]

While I think there are better candidates than O'Leary, I feel he could certainly do a job. Anybody who can bring a team to the last four of the champions league and finish in the top four in the premiership has something to offer. Don't believe all the tripe the red-tops spew about O'Leary.

It wasn't "HIS" team....he inherited it!


What if he started all that "My babies "drivil again!!
Im feeling sick

Christ, I had forgotten about all that Sh*te.........NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!:eek:

[monutdfc]

I thought he was ok at both Leeds and Villa until he was given money to spend. It was a young Leeds team he took to the CL semi-final, not many - if any - of his own signings in it. His transfer record is brutal, but at international level that's obviously not an issue; he has done ok when he was given a group of players to work with. Agree with the stuff about knowing the Chairman's wife though.

[OwlsFan]

As I say, this had been covered ad nauseum on the New Irish Manager thread and as I say, no!

[NeilMcD]

This thread is worth it, if the Star run a piece saying Irish fans reject O Leary.

[shakermaker1982]

I'd rather have Delaney as manager than O'Leary.

[passinginterest]

This thread is worth it, if the Star run a piece saying Irish fans reject O Leary.

On that note I'd like to add my big no thank you Mr O'Leary, and the same goes for you Souness!

[Schlooooomp]

Categorically No.

Remember he also cashed in on the Woodgate and Bowyer court case by having a book published at that time called "Leeds United on Trial: The Inside Story of an Astonishing Year".

[Lionel Ritchie]

If the manager has to be an Irishman then O'Leary would do just fine and is probably the best candidate available.

He'd have way more experience than for example Mick McCarthy had on his first day in the job and Mick qualified us for a World Cup and narrowly missed out on two other tournaments.

...and for the mini-multitude still pimping Coppell -I'm still waiting for someone come back to me with the name of any manager who has left an English top flight managerial position to manage any country but England.

If Coppell becomes the first it'll be in no small way due to Reading being in a nose dive and he doesn't want to ignomy and stigma of having taken them down on his CV.

[onephillyhughes]

If the manager has to be an Irishman then O'Leary would do just fine and is probably the best candidate available.

He'd have way more experience than for example Mick McCarthy had on his first day in the job and Mick qualified us for a World Cup and narrowly missed out on two other tournaments.

...and for the mini-multitude still pimping Coppell -I'm still waiting for someone come back to me with the name of any manager who has left an English top flight managerial position to manage any country but England.

If Coppell becomes the first it'll be in no small way due to Reading being in a nose dive and he doesn't want to ignomy and stigma of having taken them down on his CV.


Thats a good point but we have to bear in mind that Mick was given a lot to time with a new squad, what, 5 years in the job before he got us to the World Cup. We can be guaranteed the new man won't be given anything near that amount of time. Things have changed in the last 10 years. Big time.

[onephillyhughes]

Coppell is class. I've been to Reading FC training and I've watched him at close quarters. He's a class act. Madejski will back him to the hilt in January with cash, but maybe he feels he has done his bit at the club and wants something else.
He was being mentioned for the England job not so long ago and he'd have been a far better bet than McClaren.

He's done a great job at Reading, needed a few signings in the summer but I think he felt his lads deserved a chance after last season. With a few players in in January they should be alright. But at this moment in time will he take this job?

[onephillyhughes]

Good point there re: Souness being touted as the man.

Its not so long ago I remember the massive feeling about Souness being anti Irish. Short memories eh?

[Theskinloyal]

Maybe the only one if Troussier takes up a job with his mysterious african federation. Woud he be so bad?

Pros:

Proven record with young players, brought through Alan Smith, Jon Woodgate, Harry Kewell etc

Had a couple of games gone differently Leeds probably wouldn't be where they are now.

Didn't do much at Villa but neither has Martin O'Neill who has been often lauded as the 'next big thing' in management. After them against Man yoo last weekend O'Leary's Villa looked very good.

Has played for Ireland. Knows what it means to put on the green jersey. (I know Stan also had this but O'Leary backs this up with experience)

Made poor decisions but they were mainly financial and thats not a problem a international level.

When Leeds were good c. 2001 they were one of the best teams in Europe to watch entertainment wise.

Cons:

Could see him falling out with players due to his argumentative nature.

Could beat Delaney at a shirking blame contest.

Would have no regard for LOI.

I'm sure theres more cons that I can't think of right now but I'm you all will add more!

[btid1]

Absolutely no way to O'Leary!!

[onephillyhughes]

Well McCarthy and Big Jack had f all regard for LOI as far as I can remember (prove me wrong if you can, I won't argue) so thats not necessarily a bad thing. Its a tough one, O'Leary is a chequebook manager at the end of it all.

All the names that have been mentioned aren't doing a lot to sway me, and I honestly don't know who else there could be...

[onephillyhughes]

No, they don't, shame on me :D

[shanman2]

Am I the only one who thinks Aidy Boothroyd would be a good choice. Never mind O' Leary he aint a good manager never was never will be. As one phillyhughes says what will he do without his checkbook????

[NeilMcD]

Long ball merchant and we dont even have a big man. Forget it. Never won anything, never managed an international side, we have the money we can get guys who have actually qualified with teams, lets get them, they are out there. Not some long ball merchant that Chris Kamara and Jeff Stelling and other muppets from Sky think are good managers.

[Ordinary Fan]

If the new manager it must be O'Leary.

As I said before for all the lovers of Coppell, he only lasted a few weeks before walking away because of the pressure. He dos'nt like media attention and has no european experience.

[Sligo Hornet]

Am I the only one who thinks Aidy Boothroyd would be a good choice. Never mind O' Leary he aint a good manager never was never will be. As one phillyhughes says what will he do without his checkbook????


No way......Aidy already has the "Dream Job";)

[Wolfie]

A resounding "NO!!!!!!" to the Ex Factor - O'Leary, Aldridge, Whelan, Houghton, Moran, Sheridan etc etc.

[NeilMcD]

Is it not a clare name. I know of a few Minogues around Lisseycasey way.

[Wolfie]

Dannii Minogue then. Good Kerry name too.

With Sharon and Ossie Osbourne as the back up team?

[bigmac]

Just look at his villa record and the improvement when they got a proper manager.



O'Leary - Played 131 Won 47 Lost 49 Drawn 35
44.78% of points collected
O'Neill - Played 53 Won 18 Lost 16 Drawn 19
45.91% of points collected

Where's the huge improvement?

[fergalr]

NO to O'Leary.
NO to long term unemployed ex Ireland players
NO to long term unemployed managers who now earn a crust as media pundits

YES to a qualified and experienced international manager (that's what the job is - right?)

[NeilMcD]

Yeah Martin O Neill is a curious manager in that the perception is that he was a a better manager at Celtic than Strachan and that he is doing a better job at Villa then O Leary.

But when you actually look at the facts Strachan has achieved more in a shorter space of time and O Leary and O Neill have a near identical record as pointed out above.

[backstothewall]

But when you look at Seville, and the two league titles that were lost be the narrowest of margin, the facts don't judge O'Neill well

I am also pretty confident that O'Leary best results were at the start of his time there, with a not bad team Graham Taylor put together. O'Neills best results are coming now that he is getting away from the side O'Leary "built" and getting shot of clowns like Djemba-Djemba and Baros brought in by O'Leary for silly money

[NeilMcD]

B, the facts don't judge O'Neill well





Ahh those damn facts. I would have been a great manager if it were not for the facts.

[Drumcondra 69er]

It wasn't "HIS" team....he inherited it!



Absolute rubbish, you look at the Leeds team George Graham played in his last game and the one O'Leary was putting out 12/18 months later and they're unrecognisable. And he did his best work before the spending got out of hand in any case for those who say he's a cheque book manager, he got Leeds to 4th then 3rd on a small spend in comparison to other teams at the top end at that stage.

As for his record at Villa, who said Graham Taylor had left him with not a bad team?? Villa barely avoided relegation before he took over and he had that squad challenging for a CL place the last day of the following season! Get real!

O'Leary may be a tw@t of the highest order and wouldn't be my choice but the amount of revisionism regarding his managerial career is laughable. He certainly be better then the likes of Souness, Atkinson, Venables et al....

[Qwerty]

Yeah Martin O Neill is a curious manager in that the perception is that he was a a better manager at Celtic than Strachan and that he is doing a better job at Villa then O Leary.

But when you actually look at the facts Strachan has achieved more in a shorter space of time and O Leary and O Neill have a near identical record as pointed out above.

I think his work at Leicester is really what established his reputation and I hated that team, it's hard to fail at Celtic even though John Barnes did a great job of proving it is possible.

[danonion]

Stan was so bad that when DO'L gets the job he's going to look like a world beater. I wouldn't be thrilled with him getting the job, but I wouldn't lose any sleep; he's not a bad coach. The going-ons at Leeds when he was there play a big part in what happened there, and when was there a good a Villa side last?

[CollegeTillIDie]

I think 1981 when they won the League :D

[Lionel Ritchie]

I am also pretty confident that O'Leary best results were at the start of his time there, with a not bad team Graham Taylor put together. ...as Drumcondra has pointed out that's simply staggering ...Robert Mollenaar, Gunnar Halle, David Robertson, David Hopkin, Clyde Wiijnhard?

...and Leeds were an absolute goalfest under Graham too. Not.

[monutdfc]

Absolute rubbish, you look at the Leeds team George Graham played in his last game and the one O'Leary was putting out 12/18 months later and they're unrecognisable. And he did his best work before the spending got out of hand in any case for those who say he's a cheque book manager, he got Leeds to 4th then 3rd on a small spend in comparison to other teams at the top end at that stage.

As for his record at Villa, who said Graham Taylor had left him with not a bad team?? Villa barely avoided relegation before he took over and he had that squad challenging for a CL place the last day of the following season! Get real!

O'Leary may be a tw@t of the highest order and wouldn't be my choice but the amount of revisionism regarding his managerial career is laughable. He certainly be better then the likes of Souness, Atkinson, Venables et al....
I made this point previously. O'Leary did well at both Leeds and Villa with the squads that were there before he was given money to spend. As an international manager he would have to work with the players he has. Like D69, I wouldn't be overjoyed but I don't think he would be the worst choice.

[The Swordsman]

For most of the time O’Leary was at Leeds, he was successful. Didn’t set the world alight at Villa, but then again, Martin O’Neill (who is broadly considered to be one of the best managers around) hasn’t either.

When he was at Leeds, O’Leary’s main problem was his mouth. I remember one time he stated that there was no place in top class football for a player like Stephen McPhail, who at the time was considered to be one of the most promising young players around. This may or may not have been be true (I watched Cardiff last week on Sky and McPhail still looked a useful player – and would be worth a squad place for Ireland) but actually saying it benefited no one except the papers, O’Leary’s ego and any club interested in buying the lad.

In fairness to O’Leary, when he was at Villa, he didn’t court the media as much. I think (wishfully perhaps) he may have learned from his previous mistakes.

A lot of people here put O’Leary’s success at Leeds down to the squad he had. Most of that squad have gone to other clubs and very few have been real successes. Players like Bowyer, Smith, Viduka, Kewell, Milner and even Danny Mills were considered to be top class at Leeds. How many would be considered top class now.

It appears O’Leary started to lose the dressing room at Leeds around the time of the Bowyer/Woodgate trial and that book he published didn't help either. Up to then, he was a success.

I think O’Leary could be a good manager for Ireland if he can just keep his mouth shut and realise that expressing his opinion is not always the best idea. He would need to build bridges with Robbie though – by all accounts they are not the best of mates. He would probably need to keep him as captain to keep him on side which, in my opinion, is not ideal.:(

[as_i_say]

Well he was right about McPhail!