Stauntons Pay Off

[shakermaker1982]

well any self respecting individual who has aspirations of becoming the Irish boss would tell Delaney to **** off during the interview if he tried to force Stan onto him as one of his 'coaches'. Christ even letting him hand out the bibs could go wrong!!!

[EastTerracer]

Why did Delaney offer Staunton a 4 year contract. That is the first question Delaney should be asked. The second being why did he offer himself a 6 year one. It just makes no sense.


A very relevant point - we can all say that Stan should do the decent thing and resign without compensation but how many FAI officials have been paid off over the years despite having made a complete mess of their jobs.

Sean Connolly, Bernard O'Byrne, Fran Rooney and others were all paid to go away and stay quiet. Why should Stan take a moral stand when his employers have displayed no such standards over the years?

[viagogo]

John Delaney said hed back Staunton no matter what happened in the Euros. Now Delaney is distancing himself from the whole affair. The FAI were stupid beyond belief giving him a four year deal but if you were Staunton would you walk away from the €900,000 that you are entitled to?

[Paddy Garcia]

Staunton is the biggest gob****e of a manager I have ever seen.

If he had an ounce of decency he would walk without a penny.

[jebus]

Because he might want to salvage some of his reputation and not be known forever as a useless money-grabber.

Anyone who thinks of him as that is an idiot in my book. On the pitch he served Ireland well, and if you any of you can honestly put you hand up and say that you wouldn't have taken the Irish job for 400k a year I'll still go ahead and call you a lying scumbag. As for Staunton's pay-off, well thats Delaney's mistake, not Stan's, if someone had agreed to pay you another 800k over the next two years you'd hang about til you got the money too

[NeilMcD]

lying scumbag, now there is a strong term to call a fellow poster.

[Paddy Garcia]

Anyone who thinks of him as that is an idiot in my book. On the pitch he served Ireland well, and if you any of you can honestly put you hand up and say that you wouldn't have taken the Irish job for 400k a year I'll still go ahead and call you a lying scumbag. As for Staunton's pay-off, well thats Delaney's mistake, not Stan's, if someone had agreed to pay you another 800k over the next two years you'd hang about til you got the money too

He has been paid, but failed to deliver his contractual obligation - spectacularly so.

How does this theft from the Irish game, match against his shallow words of passion when he was appointed.

[Marked Man]

He has been paid, but failed to deliver his contractual obligation - spectacularly so.

How does this theft from the Irish game, match against his shallow words of passion when he was appointed.

If he'd broken any contractual obligation, he would have been fired by now.

[Paddy Garcia]

If he'd broken any contractual obligation, he would have been fired by now.

He was contractually obliged to manage the Irish team !!! Did he do that ?

[Qwerty]

Remember to the WC qualification for 2002? McCarthy's contract expired with the last qualification game, the FAI didn't eevn have the firesight to include the play-off games and McCarthy then had them over a barrel.

With Stan being a rookie they should have offered a modest base salary and a big bonus for qualification, bonus for play-off spot etc. Maybe smaller bonues for key result.

[Schlooooomp]

I'm surprised he even managed to find the right hotel tonight. What an eeeeeeeeeeejit.

Very funny:D No doubt thats why the FAI kept moving the meeting, Staunton couldn't get to the right hotel.

[Marked Man]

He was contractually obliged to manage the Irish team !!! Did he do that ?

Yes. Haven't you been paying attention?

[Paddy Garcia]

Yes. Haven't you been paying attention?

Check out a definition of "manage".

[Oink]

Ahhh to be fair he has been off fighting cancer, not great work I think he would rather be workign to be fair. If I was off fighting cancer I would still get paid as would many people who post on this.

Russell Crowe wouldn't .... "Right, now where is that pu$$y cancer...Hey Cancer! Ye Te$ticle!"


I agree though there's no blaming him, which is a pity because I think Bobby could have done a decent job and had a lot to offer....

[Drumcondra 69er]

Anyone who thinks of him as that is an idiot in my book. On the pitch he served Ireland well, and if you any of you can honestly put you hand up and say that you wouldn't have taken the Irish job for 400k a year I'll still go ahead and call you a lying scumbag. As for Staunton's pay-off, well thats Delaney's mistake, not Stan's, if someone had agreed to pay you another 800k over the next two years you'd hang about til you got the money too

Possibly not if you were already a multi millionaire in your own right.

But given that fact that every CEO who's been ousted over the last 10 years has recieved a substansial pay off teh FAI are in no position to bitch over this. He should have been on a rolling 2 year deal, no way would he have turned that down at the off. Blame the goons who sanctioned his 4 years.

[Marked Man]

Check out a definition of "manage".

You seem confused by the distinction between 'manage' and 'successfully manage'.

[OwlsFan]

Listen, parting by "mutual consent" is what happens in life when someone gets their contract paid off. See Sammy Lee (first reference I found in the 1.2 million references on Google to "by mutual consent")

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/1017/lees.html

I can guarantee you that Stan doesn't think he did a bad job. It's human nature to blame others and to demand what's entitled to you by the law. Hence good luck to him and to his negotiators who got a 4 year deal in the first place. That was the madness which I said right at the beginning.

[Morbo]

Yeah, Staunton may have done a poor job but he was in no way in breach of his contract as he was guaranteed a 4 year deal regardless of results so Staunton is fully entitled to his pay off and would be a fool to let the FAI off the hook

[jebus]

lying scumbag, now there is a strong term to call a fellow poster.

Not particularly, some of the posters on this website both baffle and disgust me at the best of times, I still think anyone who says they wouldn't have taken the job and taken the pay they were due is a liar. Oh and I'd call you a lying scumbag is a direct quote from the Simpsons that I've always liked. So there's that history lesson :)

I'm not saying that you both baffle and disgust me NeilMcD either, although I'm not saying you don't either ;)

[Woody]

It would have been cheaper for the FAI to hire a hitman to take Staunton out (and not for dinner).

[Paddy Garcia]

You seem confused by the distinction between 'manage' and 'successfully manage'.

No I'm not confused at all - definition of management below:

Management comprises directing and controlling a group of one or more people or entities for the purpose of coordinating and harmonizing that group towards accomplishing a goal. Management often encompasses the deployment and manipulation of human resources, financial resources, technological resources, and natural resources. Management can also refer to the person or people who perform the act(s) of management.

[onephillyhughes]

Absolutely disgusted that a man who was time and time again guaranteed 4 years in the job and was sacked, fair enough for doing a very bad job, but nonetheless guaranteed that 4 years could want a pay off.

Shame on you Stan:rolleyes:


FFS he's every bit entitled to his compensation!

[SuperDave]

Absolutely disgusted that a man who was time and time again guaranteed 4 years in the job and was sacked, fair enough for doing a very bad job, but nonetheless guaranteed that 4 years could want a pay off.

Shame on you Stan:rolleyes:


FFS he's every bit entitled to his compensation!

exactly. if you or I signed a four year contract (as opposed to some sort of rolling one), we'd fully expect to be paid. I mean, if we bought a car and didn't examine it to make sure it had a big enough boot for our golf clubs, we would have fuke all grounds for later saying "oh it's ****, it doesn't suit my needs" and refusing to pay the second half of our HP payments. Entirely the fai's fault for the four year contract, and Staunton has every right to ask for his money. It's not his fault the FAI are absolute fools. If they don't want his management services, tough sheet, they signed a contract for them.

[Marked Man]

No I'm not confused at all - definition of management below:

Management comprises directing and controlling a group of one or more people or entities for the purpose of coordinating and harmonizing that group towards accomplishing a goal. Management often encompasses the deployment and manipulation of human resources, financial resources, technological resources, and natural resources. Management can also refer to the person or people who perform the act(s) of management.

Which bit did Staunton not do?

[ShamrockIreland]

The FAI shouldn't be allowed to offer anything other than a 2 year contract to anyone. More incompetence from a group of people more interested in lining their own pockets and who really haven't got an idea about football. Brendan O'Byrne was axed before he revealed all their dealings I mean ho is Louis Kilcoyne part of the circus. Tragic

[osarusan]

I still think anyone who says they wouldn't have taken the job and taken the pay they were due is a liar.

Here's a quote of mine from another thread.

A lot of posters here have said that if they were offered the Irish job, of course they'd take it.

Well, I wouldn't. The reason I wouldn't is because I know that I don't know enough about management to be a good manager, and the national place is not the place to start learning. If and when the results took a turn for the worse, it would be my fault as much as anybody else, because I took the job knowing this would happen, due to my lack of ability.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Part of the success of being a manager is picking the correct backroom team. If you can't get your backroom technical staff right and that's a handful of people, you'll never get the right combination out on to the park. Kevin McDonald clearly didn't command the respect of the players either. Or else he would have been able to get them to defend properly in an Irish shirt. Some of the goals conceded in this qualification have been farcical.

In World War 1, had John O'Shea been around and as inept as a soldier, as he is on the field, he would have been executed for treason :D

[NeilMcD]

He might have been executed for other reasons too allegedly. But luckily times have moved. on.

[John83]

You're right Paul.....doesn't make sense in any other profession....except in Football, where failure is rewarded ( with the paying off of a contract in full ).......pure NONSENSE:mad:....but eh....that's football!!:eek:
Yes, that's how it works in football. The flip side of the coin is that if Real Madrid had come knocking with a €10M contract, Staunton couldn't just hand in his notice.

[jebus]

Here's a quote of mine from another thread.

You lying scumbag!!!!!



:p

[SuperDave]

Yes, that's how it works in football. The flip side of the coin is that if Real Madrid had come knocking with a €10M contract, Staunton couldn't just hand in his notice.

no, but he could have paid his way out of it. If he had two years left, he might have been able to pay the €800,000 and go.

[John83]

no, but he could have paid his way out of it. If he had two years left, he might have been able to pay the €800,000 and go.
Sure, and we can pay him €800,000 to leave. Buying your way out of a contract is a relatively new thing in football.

Anyway, my point was that there's a balance here. In football, a player or manager has extra rights over an accountant or a butcher's apprentice in the form of the guaranteed money, but has given up his freedom of movement for it.

[NeilMcD]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/7062387.stm

[Schlooooomp]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/7062387.stm

Very magnanimous of Hunt, seeing that Staunton wouldn't play him when it was obvious to everybody that he should be starting.

Or is it a sly dig at those who were playing every game?

[Paddy Garcia]

Very magnanimous of Hunt, seeing that Staunton wouldn't play him when it was obvious to everybody that he should be starting.

Or is it a sly dig at those who were playing every game?

Hunt's been pants for us

[Paddy Garcia]

Which bit did Staunton not do?

Watch either Cyprus game, the San Marino game, either Slovakia game, the Wales game, the home Germany game (celebrating a draw ffs!!!), either Czech game .......

Are you confused about what accomplishing a goal means?

.. or scoring one, other than an own one!

[Marked Man]

I think you need to read your own definition again. Here it is, with the point you haven't understood in bold:

directing and controlling a group of one or more people or entities for the purpose of coordinating and harmonizing that group towards accomplishing a goal.

Staunton had charge of the team for that purpose. And he tried to move the team towards accomplishing that goal. Thus, by your own definition, he managed the team.

I'm done with this; if you think he broke his contract, try your luck in court. Good luck with that.

[Paddy Garcia]

if you think he broke his contract, try your luck in court. Good luck with that.

Ok, will do, I've got nothing better to so with my time. zzzzzzzzzzz

[BaZmO*]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/7062387.stm


Republic of Ireland forward Stephen Hunt
Forward?