Robbie Keane on Late Late Show Tonight

[NeilMcD]

I did a masters in Media studies?

Why?

For a laugh.

[youngirish]

Fair enough.

Here is a quote from Al Gore about the campaign he ran the first time he ran for the Senate

"my campaign advisors made a recommendation and prediction that surprised me with its specifity: 'If you run this ad at this many points [a measure of the size of advertising buy], and if Ashe (opponent) responds as we anticipate, and then we purchase this many points to air our response to his response, the net result after three weeks will be an increase of 8.5% in your lead in the polls.'
I authorized the plan and was astonished when three weeks later my lead had increased by exactly 8.5%"

If people can always think for themselves how does advertising make them buy things they don't need.

Obviously its not black and white and certain people are influenced more than others, but maybe you should ask someone with a masters in marketing what they think.
You can't compare Americans with Irish people. Fox News' coverage of the Iraq war is comparable to Nazi newsreels during operation Barbarossa. The average American doesn't know what's going on outside his/her own town nevermind in their country as a whole or across the world. They are also for the most part extremely gullible people and will take what they are told as gospel.

I'd credit Irish people as a whole with having a bit more savy.

[youngirish]

For a laugh.

Then I'm pleased that you got everything that you wanted out of it.

[NeilMcD]

Thanks its good to know you care.

[mattie]

You can't compare Americans with Irish people. Fox News' coverage of the Iraq war is comparable to Nazi newsreels during operation Barbarossa. The average American doesn't know what's going on outside his town nevermind in his/her country as a whole or across the world. They are also for the most part extremely gullible people and will take what they are told as gospel.

I'd credit Irish people as a whole with having a bit more savy.

I agree with what you are saying but Gore ran for the Senate in the Seventies. Back when America was a Democracy.

By the way, Irish people are going the same way as Americans. Mark my words :eek:

[Bald Student]

If the media controled people's thoughts, there's no way FF would have been reelected.

[Jerry The Saint]

You can't compare Americans with Irish people. Fox News' coverage of the Iraq war is comparable to Nazi newsreels during operation Barbarossa. The average American doesn't know what's going on outside his/her own town nevermind in their country as a whole or across the world. They are also for the most part extremely gullible people and will take what they are told as gospel.

I'd credit Irish people as a whole with having a bit more savy.

Yes, we're also more modest and less likely to generalise about a nation of 300 million people.

[Marked Man]

The average American doesn't know what's going on outside his/her own town nevermind in their country as a whole or across the world. They are also for the most part extremely gullible people and will take what they are told as gospel.

.

And you got this idea from.....The Media.

Robbie, take a bow.

[Irish_Praha]

Just scored again for Spurs.
Yet again he hits another purple patch at the wrong time in a qualification campaign.
He has his well-documented faults when playing for Ireland but I really do think that the argument that he suffers from lack of service at international level has an element of truth to it.

[amaccann]

First time post, long time lurker, and have only skimmed through the thread, so apologies if this has been asked already, but does anyone else think that if Stan gets the sack, Robbie might either walk or get frozen out of future squads? The interview did seem like pinning ones colours to the mast & if he feels that strongly that Stan is getting shafted, then perhaps he'd considered walking from the squad.

[Dr. Ogba]

Yes, we're also more modest and less likely to generalise about a nation of 300 million people.


:D Excellent stuff sir...

[Billsthoughts]

First time post, long time lurker, and have only skimmed through the thread, so apologies if this has been asked already, but does anyone else think that if Stan gets the sack, Robbie might either walk or get frozen out of future squads? The interview did seem like pinning ones colours to the mast & if he feels that strongly that Stan is getting shafted, then perhaps he'd considered walking from the squad.

kinda hard to tell as he seemed disgusted with the player who didnt want to play for Ireland....but yet everything else in the interview seemed to be pointing to him wanting to stop playin international football.

[geysir]

I don't know about that Bill, Robbie seemed peed sure but more peed about the effects of the negativity on the younger players. I didn't get any hint that he was "considering his position".

Anyway, a few wins appears to cure all ailments.

[youngirish]

Yes, we're also more modest and less likely to generalise about a nation of 300 million people.

This is why I used the words average and for the most part. Do the PC brigade double check every posting on this forum?


And you got this idea from.....The Media.

Robbie, take a bow.

Nah I lived there for a while so I made my own mind up.

[NeilMcD]

[QUOTE=youngirish;797950]This is why I used the words average and for the most part. Do the PC brigade double check every posting on this forum?


Ha ha, its now PC to correct wild generalisations. I must look up Political Correctness in the dictionary again.

[youngirish]

Ha ha, its now PC to correct wild generalisations. I must look up Political Correctness in the dictionary again.
Correcting my slightly derogatory remarks about Americans could indeed be described accurately as PC. I think you should go and read your dictionary it should state something like this (quoted from wikipedia):

Political correctness (PC or politically correct) is a term used to describe language, ideas, policies, or behaviour seen as seeking to minimize offence to groups of people.

Now go back to your media studies PHD.

[citizenerased]

ha ha.

[NeilMcD]

Correcting my slightly derogatory remarks about Americans could indeed be described accurately as PC. I think you should go and read your dictionary it should state something like this (quoted from wikipedia):

Political correctness (PC or politically correct) is a term used to describe language, ideas, policies, or behaviour seen as seeking to minimize offence to groups of people.

Now go back to your media studies PHD.



Never did a PHD just a masters.

Again I would argue that his remarks do not fall under the definition you use above.

[NeilMcD]

PVC more like it.

[RogerMilla]

robbie keane needs a target man , we need to blood one in at international level and then let doyle and long push robbie for his place.

[Torn-Ado]

robbie keane needs a target man , we need to blood one in at international level and then let doyle and long push robbie for his place.

I've been saying this for ages. Doyle and Keane up front is never going to work when you have technically inept midfielders and defenders.

We desperately need a big guy up front. A good big guy.

[NeilMcD]

what about a step ladder.

[NeilMcD]

Stan hounded out, declares Hunt

By Jon West
STEPHEN HUNT is convinced a media witch hunt cost Steve Staunton his job — and that whoever replaces him as Republic of Ireland manager faces an uphill task in persuading an increasingly sceptical public that the glory days can be recreated.


The man from Waterford had always been driven by a desire to represent his country at full international level, and as a result will always be grateful to Staunton for giving him that opportunity at the relatively late age of 26.

But Hunt’s arrival did little to stop the short-lived Staunton era coming to an abrupt and ignominious end once failure to beat Cyprus in Dublin confirmed what had been known for a while — the Irish presence would not be required at the Euro 2008 finals.




Hunt seems unshakeable in his belief that sections of the press had engineered Staunton’s downfall with a relentless campaign to undermine the former Liverpool man.

Indeed, before he sat down to give his thoughts on the matter in Reading yesterday, he enquired whether any representatives of Sunday newspapers were present.

“Whoever gets the job will have a tough task on his hands,” he said. “We have to get playing again, get playing well and get the country behind us again because it was the press that hounded the manager out. In the end the public supported the press.

“It was hard for me to be surprised when it happened. There was an awful lot of press in Ireland that wanted him out and it changed the atmosphere within Ireland in the end.”

However, Hunt indicated that the players wanted Staunton to stay.

“Everyone came to the opinion that they wanted him out but that was never the case with the players. It was just a matter of putting on the shirt, being proud and trying to do our best.

“Unfortunately it didn’t work out that way in the last few games but we have to look forward now and wait for the new appointment.”

Asked if the players had let the manager down, Hunt said: “I can only speak for myself. I had seven or eight qualifying games and I played okay in most. The last one I was disappointed with myself and was honest enough to say that after the game. I let a few people down and that goes for a few of us on the night. But over the whole I don’t think I let him down.”

And what of the Football Association of Ireland themselves, who had taken such a gamble in the first place?

Had the FAI treated their former favourite harshly? Hunt considered his response for a while.

“What would Roy Keane say?” was his eventual answer, five words that spoke if not volumes then enough to make his meaning clear.

But Hunt admitted high expectations were also essential for a nation that had developed a taste of the high life a decade or so ago.

He said: “We have fallen below expectations in terms of what Ireland could achieve. Over the years Ireland raised the bar so the generation that is playing now are expected to qualify for European Championships and World Cups, which is a good thing because if you are happy with third or fourth place then you might as well not be playing at all. I’m not happy with second either but that still qualifies you for big tournaments.”

Coppell: I was being flippant

Reading boss Steve Coppell, has said he was merely being flippant when questioned in a television interview about his availability for the vacant post of Ireland manager.

“I did an interview with Pat Dolan (on Setanta),” said Coppell yesterday. “He asked about it and I just said the older I get the more international football appeals to me. Eight games a year — I could quite happily do that. I did happen to mention my grandmother was Irish though so to all intents and purposes I qualify.”

Coppell went on to describe reports linking him to the Irish job as “mischievous”.

Click here for irishexaminer.com stories before this date

[texidub]

Disappointed with Hunt's comments. Seriously, what's wrong with players these days? Blaming the media for Staunton's departure? Jayzus... they need to take responsibility themselves.

Apologies if this has been posted elswhere, but Roy Keane seems more on the mark when he criticizes the players: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/7064109.stm

Sunderland boss Roy Keane believes poor displays from some Republic of Ireland stars played a major part in Steven Staunton's sacking earlier this week.
"A lot of it came down to the players and a lot of them certainly let the manager down with their performances," said the former Republic skipper.

[NeilMcD]

[QUOTE=texidub;801695]Disappointed with Hunt's comments. Seriously, what's wrong with players these days? Blaming the media for Staunton's departure? Jayzus... they need to take responsibility themselves.


I think its interesting that Hunt has said pretty much the same thing as Keane. As a lot of people on here seem to think that lads like him from the country would not have the same mentality as the likes of the Dublin guys. I thought Keanes interview with Kenny was terrible but it seems to me that he was not alone in his thoughts that the media did not do the team a favour.

[Torn-Ado]

Disappointed with Hunt's comments. Seriously, what's wrong with players these days? Blaming the media for Staunton's departure? Jayzus... they need to take responsibility themselves.

Apologies if this has been posted elswhere, but Roy Keane seems more on the mark when he criticizes the players: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/7064109.stm

Sunderland boss Roy Keane believes poor displays from some Republic of Ireland stars played a major part in Steven Staunton's sacking earlier this week.
"A lot of it came down to the players and a lot of them certainly let the manager down with their performances," said the former Republic skipper.

Keane was bang on the mark in my opinion.

Its Stan this and Delaney that for the last 12 months while the players are sulking away about the meedja and fans. Its those soft **** fairies who's letting the nation down time and time again. None of them had the balls to take this qualifying campaign on and go for it.

And we can all talk for many months to come about new managers and the FAI etc. but it will be futile if the players on the field don't take the finger out and stop playing football like women.

[Armando]

At least some of these players would have actually turned up had we qualified . . . .

...where's the 'yawn' smiley?

[CollegeTillIDie]

And we can all talk for many months to come about new managers and the FAI etc. but it will be futile if the players on the field don't take the finger out and stop playing football like women.

As a fan of women's football and Noel King's international team in particular I wouldn't insult them by comparing the male wasters in the Senior team with them !:cool:

[bellavistaman]

I thought Robbies interview was good too, you could properly see the disappointment in him, and you could tell he and the players felt guilty about Stan. I think there right about the media the media has been disgraceful in its treatment of th eIrish national team. With the muppet comments and so on. But although i agree with robbie on the media being partly to blame the bloody players are only as much to blame. For **** sake even if i was manager and picked a 11 they should beat cyprus and ****ing comfortably too.

[paul_oshea]

I think its interesting that Hunt has said pretty much the same thing as Keane. As a lot of people on here seem to think that lads like him from the country would not have the same mentality as the likes of the Dublin guys. I thought Keanes interview with Kenny was terrible but it seems to me that he was not alone in his thoughts that the media did not do the team a favour.


After his captain goes out on National TV and says what he says, Hunt is hardly going to come out and say the complete opposite Neil, now is he?!

[lionelhutz]

I've been saying this for ages. Doyle and Keane up front is never going to work when you have technically inept midfielders and defenders.

We desperately need a big guy up front. A good big guy.

Like Tony Soprano maybe...

[bohsRap]

After his captain goes out on National TV and says what he says, Hunt is hardly going to come out and say the complete opposite Neil, now is he?!

I doubt he even knows what Robbie said to be honest.

[osarusan]

All the media did was put into print/image what everybody was saying...........that Stan was crap. Its not like they falsified results to "hound" him out of a job. He was crap, they said so. We all said so.

I don't need the media to tell me that losing 5-2 to Cyprus is a bad result.

[Torn-Ado]

All the media did was put into print/image what everybody was saying...........that Stan was crap. Its not like they falsified results to "hound" him out of a job. He was crap, they said so. We all said so.

I don't need the media to tell me that losing 5-2 to Cyprus is a bad result.

Yes but the players think you do.

The big bad Meeeja!! Reminds me Chris Rock when he talks about the meeeja.

[Irish_Praha]

I've been saying this for ages. Doyle and Keane up front is never going to work when you have technically inept midfielders and defenders.

We desperately need a big guy up front. A good big guy.

I agree, the problem is that we don't have a target man anywhere near the quality of Quinn at the moment.
However, Alan Lee is in good form at the moment he scored 16 last season and he's already scored 7 goals this season and in only 2 off the top scorer in the championship.
Keane has somehow managed to score 8 goals in the league and europe and is also only 2 goals behind the top scorer, Fabregas.

Lee is a bit of an unfashionable player and not as good a footballer as Doyle but he could possibly be a good partner for Keane or Doyle if he is given a decent chance. I know he's a pretty direct akward type of player but I'm not sure if he sets up a lot for his strike partners at Ipswich but it would be interesting to see howmany assists he has.

Anway if both players' form continue they should be started against Wales next month to see how they play together. If Murphy can get some time on the pitch then Lee deserves a shot.

[Stuttgart88]

I think Lee deserves a place in the squad. He's decent enough and brings something different to the table.

[paul_oshea]

ya gary doherty also brought something different to the table stutts!!

Most notably his 2 left feet!

[citizenerased]

lol..tell ya we missed 'the doc' against Cyprus

[lionelhutz]

I used to be very sceptical when I heard people say Keane needs a tall, intelligent link man up front who he can work off.

But after seeing him beautifully reading berbatov's flick on last night and numerous times this season (2 against liverpool) and burying the chances, maybe there is very good reasoning behind this theory.

The problem is Doyle isnt this type of player and neither are any of the rest of our strikers. So where are we going to get a berbatov or quinn??

[Billsthoughts]

I used to be very sceptical when I heard people say Keane needs a tall, intelligent link man up front who he can work off.

But after seeing him beautifully reading berbatov's flick on last night and numerous times this season (2 against liverpool) and burying the chances, maybe there is very good reasoning behind this theory.

The problem is Doyle isnt this type of player and neither are any of the rest of our strikers. So where are we going to get a berbatov or quinn??

wasnt that the point of keogh? that he set up a load of goals for his strike partners?

[EalingGreen]

I used to be very sceptical when I heard people say Keane needs a tall, intelligent link man up front who he can work off.

But after seeing him beautifully reading berbatov's flick on last night and numerous times this season (2 against liverpool) and burying the chances, maybe there is very good reasoning behind this theory.

The problem is Doyle isnt this type of player and neither are any of the rest of our strikers. So where are we going to get a berbatov or quinn??

As someone who was at the Spurs match last night, I think you're absolutely correct, LH.

Although I'm undoubtedly biased, I happen to believe that Keane is one of the ROI's top three players in terms of pure class (with Given and Duff, when fit). Moreover, as the team's main goalscorer, Keane carries arguably the most important role of anyone.

Therefore, unless you think Doyle is a better player/goalcorer (v.hard to argue, imo), then the key is getting the best out of Keane. And that doesn't necessarily mean you need a player of the class of Berbatov, or even Quinn (I assume you mean Big Niall), welcome though that might be. Rather it means getting the right type of player to play alongside Keane.

The best model I can think of is with NI when Sanchez took over. Our overriding priority was the need to score goals. Sanchez immediately realised that our only likely source was Healy. However, he also appreciated that Healy couldn't do it all on his own, in a defensive set-up, like McIlroy demanded.

So he immediately set out to find Healy a suitable partner, playing in an attacking formation. First choice was the promising Andy Smith. When Smith (and one or two others) ultimately proved woefully inadequate, he finally settled on James Quinn of Peterborough Utd. (This was despite Sanchez's stated policy of concentrating on younger players where possible)

Now in club terms, you would call JQ a journeyman (if that weren't unfair to journeymen!), but he's as strong as an ox, with a heart to match and will do whatever he can for the team. Consequently, with JQ battering defenders in every match he played, this created the space for Healy to flourish, with instant success. And when Quinn's legs finally went (he's in his 30's), Sanchez fast-tracked the next best hope, teenager Kyle Lafferty of Burnley - again with virtually instant success (even though it was really a couple of years earlier than anyone might have hoped).

Therefore the moral is, you need a manager with a clear idea of what he wants and how to get it and who will stick by it. And if this means overlooking some of his "best" players, for "lesser" players who have a better attitude and provide more to the team, then so be it. As such, however frustrating Keane might have appeared to ROI fans in recent years, I don't think you can question his desire to play for his country any more than you can his ability.

Consequently, from my limited observation of the ROI team, I don't think the problem is Keane's ability, position or attitude. Nor is it that you don't have anyone who couldn't do a decent job alongside him (my choice would be Alan Lee, or even Gary Docherty - on a bad day, better than Quinn ever was!). The problem is/was your manager (imo).

Sort that out and you'll immediately see an improvement in Keane, with the rest of the team following, imo.

[Wolfie]

Therefore the moral is, you need a manager with a clear idea of what he wants and how to get it and who will stick by it. And if this means overlooking some of his "best" players, for "lesser" players who have a better attitude and provide more to the team, then so be it.

We already got that Manager - in 1986.

[NeilMcD]

As someone who was at the Spurs match last night, I think you're absolutely correct, LH.

Although I'm undoubtedly biased, I happen to believe that Keane is one of the ROI's top three players in terms of pure class (with Given and Duff, when fit). Moreover, as the team's main goalscorer, Keane carries arguably the most important role of anyone.

Therefore, unless you think Doyle is a better player/goalcorer (v.hard to argue, imo), then the key is getting the best out of Keane. And that doesn't necessarily mean you need a player of the class of Berbatov, or even Quinn (I assume you mean Big Niall), welcome though that might be. Rather it means getting the right type of player to play alongside Keane.

The best model I can think of is with NI when Sanchez took over. Our overriding priority was the need to score goals. Sanchez immediately realised that our only likely source was Healy. However, he also appreciated that Healy couldn't do it all on his own, in a defensive set-up, like McIlroy demanded.

So he immediately set out to find Healy a suitable partner, playing in an attacking formation. First choice was the promising Andy Smith. When Smith (and one or two others) ultimately proved woefully inadequate, he finally settled on James Quinn of Peterborough Utd. (This was despite Sanchez's stated policy of concentrating on younger players where possible)

Now in club terms, you would call JQ a journeyman (if that weren't unfair to journeymen!), but he's as strong as an ox, with a heart to match and will do whatever he can for the team. Consequently, with JQ battering defenders in every match he played, this created the space for Healy to flourish, with instant success. And when Quinn's legs finally went (he's in his 30's), Sanchez fast-tracked the next best hope, teenager Kyle Lafferty of Burnley - again with virtually instant success (even though it was really a couple of years earlier than anyone might have hoped).

Therefore the moral is, you need a manager with a clear idea of what he wants and how to get it and who will stick by it. And if this means overlooking some of his "best" players, for "lesser" players who have a better attitude and provide more to the team, then so be it. As such, however frustrating Keane might have appeared to ROI fans in recent years, I don't think you can question his desire to play for his country any more than you can his ability.

Consequently, from my limited observation of the ROI team, I don't think the problem is Keane's ability, position or attitude. Nor is it that you don't have anyone who couldn't do a decent job alongside him (my choice would be Alan Lee, or even Gary Docherty - on a bad day, better than Quinn ever was!). The problem is/was your manager (imo).

Sort that out and you'll immediately see an improvement in Keane, with the rest of the team following, imo.

Fair play Ealing Green top post in my opinion but dont agree with your view on Quinn, a very underated player who brought out the best in players Uwe Rosler, Kevin Phillips and Robbie Keane are prime examples.

[EalingGreen]

We already got that Manager - in 1986.

Indeed. In fact, when I was posting that, I actually had Big Jack in mind, particularly with regard to his apparent mistrust of Brady and O'Leary, players who in terms of pure ability, were amongst the finest available to any Irish manager.

[jbyrne]

ya gary doherty also brought something different to the table stutts!!

Most notably his 2 left feet!

still managed to score some vital late goals for us that turned draws into wins

[Wolfie]

Indeed. In fact, when I was posting that, I actually had Big Jack in mind, particularly with regard to his apparent mistrust of Brady and O'Leary, players who in terms of pure ability, were amongst the finest available to any Irish manager.

Charlton's success was introducing a simple and innovative game plan (it was innovative, though not pretty, during those early campaigns. Some teams just couldn't cope with the "tactics"). Everyone on the pitch knew exactly what was expected of them and what they had to do.

As Eamon Dunphy put it "In the past, Ireland had always produced talented players but not always players that made the difference".

[EalingGreen]

Fair play Ealing Green top post in my opinion but dont agree with your view on Quinn, a very underated player who brought out the best in players Uwe Rosler, Kevin Phillips and Robbie Keane are prime examples.

Sorry, I meant that Gary Docherty was/is a better player than James Quinn. It's just I meant that Niall Quinn was not so talented as Berbatov, who I'm sure could be one of the top three strikers in Europe, had he only a decent team to play in :(

Re. Niall Quinn, despite his having started out as a Gooner, I always admired him - and not just for his effort, intelligence and attitude. Imo, like Peter Crouch these days, his physique caused people to underestimate his ability on the ball

[eirebhoy]

According to the commentator last night Keane has scored 25 goals in his last 32 games for Spurs, I think.

[NeilMcD]

Yeah very good record at that level in my view. He is on a great run of form for his club. The new manager and him reallly need to sit down and work out how we can get the best from him. Hopefully it will be an international manager with maturity and experience and not a fool who just says, do what you do for your Club Robbie and here is the armband too cause you are a great singer to get teh lads going.

[RogerMilla]

I too am convinced that keane needs a target man , i think that stripped of his captaincy with the target man for partner and with doyle and long pushing him for his place we would see a different keane in the green.


this was the honey monsters opinion from YBIG perhaps you lads would have more to add.


here's what we have in my opinion;

Alan Lee; yes banging in the goals for ipswich but he's had a few chances to do the business for ireland and never seems to cut this level. however considering his form he may prove me wrong.
Conor Sammon; sorry but nowhere near this standard
Darly Murphy; ive seen him play a few times now and i have yet to be particulary impressed and dont believe he's a potential target man
Gary Dohery;

The two main contenders in my opinion;

Caleb Folan; he's a big lad that has the size and presence to be a target man. he didnt do great at wigan but from what i heard he has potential and reckon he should defo be given the opportunity.
Clinton; i know his league form hasnt been great but im a fan of his. his works his ball0x off everytime in the green jersey, has the ability to hold a ball or win a header and most importantly has got a few extremely crucial goals in big games for us