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Tir Oilean
15/10/2007, 8:00 PM
Bray down one nil to Derry not so bad......Waterford 1 up on Longford HT. the title race is over its the play off for relegation thats going to be the tightest ever.:eek:

Sorry this was supposed to be in the main forums!

Not too bad both ended in draws thanks to injury time goals both 92 mins!

corbyeire
15/10/2007, 9:11 PM
they results by and large always seem to go galways way!

lets beat bray the next day and be done with it!

Terry
15/10/2007, 9:15 PM
I doubt it, bray are playing good football lately and getting the results too. If the tinkering continues the same way it has lately, there little hope of coming out with anything

Guitd
15/10/2007, 9:21 PM
they results by and large always seem to go galways way!

lets beat bray the next day and be done with it!

we are good enough to beat bray if the players are allowed to play to their ablity and we showed that against bohs when we wer one down and had to open up our play .lets attack and use players like russel who can pass and cause problems for any defence

gufct
15/10/2007, 9:38 PM
Russeler is not 100% and thats why he isnt starting games does anyone ever read the previews of our recent games.As for tinkering who do we think we are Chelsea .There is an all merciful amount of bile and crap being written on the forums by people who seem to know everything.

We need a win on friday but we need everyone working together for that Managment, Players and Supporters.

If ever we needed a

big noisy away support its this friday 2 more wins should do it lads so lets stop bitchin for 4 weeks and get behind the team.

Conor H
15/10/2007, 10:14 PM
Russeler is not 100% and thats why he isnt starting games does anyone ever read the previews of our recent games.As for tinkering who do we think we are Chelsea .There is an all merciful amount of bile and crap being written on the forums by people who seem to know everything.

We need a win on friday but we need everyone working together for that Managment, Players and Supporters.

If ever we needed a

big noisy away support its this friday 2 more wins should do it lads so lets stop bitchin for 4 weeks and get behind the team.

My God.....are you for the birds?:rolleyes:.
Just cause some of us don't rate Cousins or think the players give enough for UTD doesn't mean we're all spouting rubbish.
No we most certainly do not think we're Chelsea.What do you call the altering the tactics of the previous game in which we won?Tinkering seems a pretty apt. word really.
There's no denying that some of TC's tactics have been bizzare this season and people are allowed to say as much without been attacked for writing complete"bile".you seem to think no matter what the results that everyone should always be 100% behind the team.Maybe so.....but as supporters we like to say the team progressing and doing well.We've probably got worse as the season has gone on.

Every week you come out saying" this week we really need the support".In fairness they've got great support this year considering they've won a paltry 5 games.

By the way if anyone on here thinks they know it all......then...

First I heard of it was in todays Star and im involved with the club.

Tir Oilean
15/10/2007, 10:35 PM
We are the supporters of the club and therefore are entitled to our opinion. Everyone on here knows that we will we be cheering the lads on at the games for the rest of the season just as we have up till now. We use this forum to air our thoughts on our season rather than vent them at Terryland. Please respect our points of view even if you do not share them.

Patrick Dunne
15/10/2007, 10:41 PM
I hate your reasonable posts, Tir Oilean. ;)

Tir Oilean
15/10/2007, 10:56 PM
Yeah I hate having to do them Pat but some people just aint so reasonable.

WoodquayBoy
16/10/2007, 9:30 AM
we need everyone working together for that Managment, Players and Supporters.
You know what else we need? The players working hard as well.
Anyway, the table is now:
UCD 31pts (GD -6)
Bray 29pts (GD -18)
Utd 27pts (GD -9)
Wford 24pts (GD -25)
Lford 19pts (GD -19)
The goal difference effectively means we have an extra point on Waterford.
The run in for the teams is:
UCD: Longford (H), Bohs (A), Pats (H), Utd (A)
Bray: Utd (H), Longford (A), Drogheda (A), Sligo (H)
Utd: Bray (A), Derry (H), Waterford (A), UCD (H)
Waterford: Sligo (A), Drogheda (H), Utd (H), Shams (A)
Longford: UCD (A), Bray (H), Bohs (A), Derry (H).
Given those four run ins, we should be more than capable of not only avoiding the drop/playoff, but climbing the table to finish at least above Bray, if not UCD. Waterford really have a dog of a finish, so we should be safe. Then the fun and games SHOULD start - that is just my opinion

gufct
16/10/2007, 10:19 AM
I honestly dont think the board are considering getting rid of Tony despite all the criticism on the internet.

WoodquayBoy
16/10/2007, 11:42 AM
Criticism is not just on the internet, its in the papers, and GBFM had a cut at him too.
Anyway, whether or not there is criticism is not the basis on which he should be judged.
"Now lads, next item is the manager."
"Well, no one is saying anything bad about him."
"Good enough for me, we'll keep him. Next item on the agenda is . . "
NOT a way to run a club.
We have gone full time, brought in a load of new players, but if the board is happy with the season that has just gone, then keep him. If they are honest with themselves and see it as a disappointing season, then time to make a change.
3 down next year, and we can;t rely on a club having points docked to save our necks, as looks like happening this year . . if indeed our necks are saved.
The club has bitten the bulklet on a lot of things: (correctly) sacrificing on-field progress in recent years to get their house in order; developing Terryland hand in hand with the GDL; appointing someone of Nick's quality (the bank business not withstandting) to run the club. Time to turn its attention to affairs on the pitch.
And don't you dare accuse me of not supporting the club - I have supported United long before Cousins arrival, and will do so when he is long gone. I don't care for the manager, only the club, and I don't see him as the manager to bring the club - my club - forward on the pitch.
Phew, feel better now, time to take some happy pills.
Sorry for the rant lads

Conor H
16/10/2007, 11:55 AM
That's not a rant WB.

It's a perfectly logical arguement and one which 95% of people agree with.

IF we do stay up,it cannot be said that this was a good season.We've been very poor on the pitch at times and no real improvement.
Another key point is does anyone believe TC can get us into the Top 6 next year?...which is in the Clubs 6 year plan.
Don't think he's capable tbh.

eamo1
16/10/2007, 12:18 PM
as someone already said,results have been going our way and last night was the same with longfords late late goal.
its way too close for comfort at this stage,3 points ahead of a bunch of part-timers who didnt even think they'd be in the division till a few weeks before the season whereas we had a full pre season etc.im trying to get off work to go to Bray.we need everyone putting in the maximum amount of effort over the next few weeks,and by that i mean THE PLAYERS because with the fans its a given.
keep the faith.

corbyeire
16/10/2007, 1:28 PM
keith kelly in the connaught tribune always has a good go at cousins and seems to sum up the lack of joined up thinking with cousins management

the team is constantly changing (injuries suspensions aside), players playing out of position, professionals with no desire to play, happy enough to mope along

if we had 11 alan keanes on the pitch we would definitely be top 6

we have some very good players - but the teams seems to lack confidence - and the hoof ball formation does not play to their strengths

if its not tony cousins fault - then whos is it?

Maroon 7
16/10/2007, 2:00 PM
I don't have much faith in Cousins to be honest. Players seem to be in and out of the team for no apparent reason. Players seem to play all over the shop. Some of the defenders seem to have played in every position along the back four. Pumping long high balls up to two strikers like Glynn and Vinny is absolute madness but it's been happening all season. Conceding ridiculously soft goals from set-pieces. These are the basics and we seem unable to get our heads round them and that comes back to the managers door eventually.

He's undoubtably brought in some good players (along with a few duds) but he doesn't seem to be able to get the best out of them.

Tir Oilean
16/10/2007, 2:50 PM
Its a very frustrating season here. We could very well be fighting for the European spot if you think about .....No I'm not exxagerating if we made the same signings, managed them abit better we would be well up there. Take away all the lost leads and where would we be? Then add in a bit of momentum from those games (home form) and hey presto were a top 4/5 side.

Patrick Dunne
16/10/2007, 3:33 PM
We are way off a top 4/5 side, Tir Oilean. We have at most 9/10 decent players. You need to have at least 16/17 players of this calibre to finish in the top half of the table.

Tir Oilean
16/10/2007, 5:52 PM
If they were well managed and had a bit more of what Daryl Robson has we'd be pushing for it that's all. We are one of very few teams to hold the likes of Drogs Bohs and Cork with a poor squad, so a little bit of improvement would have seen us way up there.

WoodquayBoy
16/10/2007, 6:05 PM
Come on Pa, 9 or 10 decent players? Rogers, Fitzgerald, Keane, Robson - four good young lads who can help develop the club. After that, maybe Derek (if he feels like it) and that is it.
I think Lester has had a good season but wouldn't be a popular view, and Regi has faded badly. If we stay up, donlt have the bones of a team for a top 4 finish, low mid table would be best case scenario

gufct
16/10/2007, 8:23 PM
Lester would be odds on for player of the season as for Robson he hasnt played enough games to be judged yet.He has had 2 good games but has been very poor in others.

gilberto_eire
16/10/2007, 9:33 PM
Lester would be odds on for player of the season as for Robson he hasnt played enough games to be judged yet.He has had 2 good games but has been very poor in others.

contender....YES!!.... odds on??...... your having a laugh, i would put him on par with DOB's chances, id have Robson,Glynn,Fitzy and Reggie ahead off him....

id give it to Reggie although injurys have hammpered him somewhat!

geezer
16/10/2007, 10:01 PM
on friday everyone has just gotta get there, if we lose against bray and derry and waterford lose to sligo but sneak a draw at home to a drogs side home, dry and resting players we will be planking it headin to waterford, Im breakin out in a cold sweat thinking about it--nervous of playoffs.

gufct
17/10/2007, 8:25 AM
Daryl has played 5 full games 3 as a sub and been very good in 2 of those and you would give him player of the year!!!!!!!!!

galwayhoop
17/10/2007, 9:55 AM
contender....YES!!.... odds on??...... your having a laugh, i would put him on par with DOB's chances, id have Robson,Glynn,Fitzy and Reggie ahead off him....

id give it to Reggie although injurys have hammpered him somewhat!

reggie as you say has been injured/missing too often
glynn burst onto the scene but has had way too many average/poor games
DO'B for me is without doubt our Player of the Year.

Conor H
17/10/2007, 10:02 AM
Derek for me to,followed by Regi,then Rogers.

Don't know how Lester is odds on?:confused:

Tir Oilean
17/10/2007, 10:07 AM
Derek for me too. On Robson he has played 5 full games and three substitions and he is still way up the list for POTY for me. TCs best signing along with Regi. But this only serves to highlight the dead wood in the squad. Mod; hows about we start a poll for POTY to take the attetion off the current poll?

gufct
17/10/2007, 10:25 AM
the other poll is up now and there is no getting away from it.You dont see polls like that on any longford/waterford or Bray site.

WoodquayBoy
17/10/2007, 10:37 AM
Longford were deducted 6 points, Waterford were a First Division side up to a month before the start of the new season and Bray have managed a few wins, are above us in the table and are safe

gufct
17/10/2007, 10:48 AM
bray are far from safe they are 5 points ahaed of waterford and if we beat them on friday we go above them. Some Galway United fans think we are a big club and have a divine right to be in the premier.

WoodquayBoy
17/10/2007, 10:51 AM
I am not one of those fans, I major trophy in 30 years says it all, but I am entitled to expect a bit more from my club. I think you must be Tony Cousins, is that what the T stands for at the end of your moniker? If so, no offence Tony, but seriously, you can't stand over what you have done this season

Conor H
17/10/2007, 10:55 AM
bray are far from safe they are 5 points ahaed of waterford and if we beat them on friday we go above them. Some Galway United fans think we are a big club and have a divine right to be in the premier.

No-we thrive to be Big Club.
All we need is good team and we will be most definutely a "big Club".

But if you're going to be contempt with a season like this you'll always be a yo-yo Club.Aim High.

galwayhoop
17/10/2007, 11:25 AM
Some Galway United fans think we are a big club and have a divine right to be in the premier.

so did the IAG ;)

gufct
17/10/2007, 11:31 AM
They thought we were a very well run club as opposed to big clubs like Shels & Drogheda who have gambled on success by amassing large debts. I very definitely am not Tony Cousins but I still think hes the man for the job long term.

ShamTalk
17/10/2007, 11:57 AM
Regi started off superbly for GUFC this season playing as centre half and then was moved out of position to right full to accommodate John Lester. He has gone downhill since and for the life of me I cannot understand why he was moved...

Derek O'Brien, though frustrating at times, has without doubt been our best player. He will keep going and going for the full ninety minutes and if all others had his attitude and work ethic then we would be far better off.

corbyeire
17/10/2007, 12:18 PM
i think derek is great when the team isint creating anything and goes on one of those runs - you never know what your going to get

however - a lot of those late crosses for late goals

or unmarked men on the edge of the boxes for corners - i seem to see DOB half jumping or having the hands on his hips

i do like his work rate and skill - but his defending could be a lot better as in he should be bothered

think alan keane needs a mention for poty even though he was missing most of the season

regi briliant centre half - not a wing back - says it all about the team really

galwayhoop
17/10/2007, 2:14 PM
I very definitely am not Tony Cousins but I still think hes the man for the job long term.

i'm going to pick you up on this.....

What exactly has TC done this season to convince you he is the best man for the job long term?

gufct
17/10/2007, 2:34 PM
its not just what he has done this season its the Professional way he has worked from day one.

I believe given time he will be a top flight manager and he is learning everyday. Not all the players he has brought in are donkeys as some people say.The likes of Rogers,Charles,Fitzgerald,Lester,Glynn,Robson and O'Halloran are all good signings and one or two of them will be even better next season.

I never thought for a second this sesaon that we would be challenging at the top end of the table and i was realistic I think (a word which get knocked big time on here) in thinking that if we avoided the drop we would kick on next season.

We have four games left are 3 points and a hatful of goals off the playoff place and some posters want the manager lynched.There is a lot of the stuff posted on here about the manager and team that is being taken as gospel but all it is is rumours and hearsay and to base your argument on gossip is not very wise.

We need continuity and we have a good young base of players coming through at least one who has been signed on Professional forms for next season.Were moving in the right direction patience and common sense are whats needed now.

WoodquayBoy
17/10/2007, 11:22 PM
Okay, lets forego rumour for fact.
We have won just twice at home - fact.
We have the lowest win total in the division - fact.
This manager has been given more resources than any other in the history of the club, yet we languish 10th, 3 points abovethe playoff spot - fact.
We had to call a 'keeper out of retirement because one of his most crucial signings - a new 'keeper - couldn't be trusted to hold a fart, let alone a high ball - fact.
The club set out a five year plan, which had at its heart a push for honours, or at least top half, next season - fact.
We haven't a snowballs chance in hell of achieving that goal, so something in the plan has gone wrong and has to be corrected - fact.
True, a lot went wrong for him - strikers being crocked by injury just one glaring example - but again, I return to the FACT that if Longford hadn't been deducted 6 points, and if Waterford had been given longer than a month or so to plan for life in the Premier Division, we would be in the doo-doo.
So if you and the rest of the apologists are happy to play with the future of the club by leaving it in his hands, hats off to you, just don't come crying here in a couple of seasons calling for people to go up and watch us take on Wexford Youths in a mid-table clash in the First Division on a pi.ssy wet October night.

Terry
20/10/2007, 8:01 AM
Okay, lets forego rumour for fact.
We have won just twice at home - fact.
We have the lowest win total in the division - fact.
This manager has been given more resources than any other in the history of the club, yet we languish 10th, 3 points abovethe playoff spot - fact.
We had to call a 'keeper out of retirement because one of his most crucial signings - a new 'keeper - couldn't be trusted to hold a fart, let alone a high ball - fact.
The club set out a five year plan, which had at its heart a push for honours, or at least top half, next season - fact.
We haven't a snowballs chance in hell of achieving that goal, so something in the plan has gone wrong and has to be corrected - fact.
True, a lot went wrong for him - strikers being crocked by injury just one glaring example - but again, I return to the FACT that if Longford hadn't been deducted 6 points, and if Waterford had been given longer than a month or so to plan for life in the Premier Division, we would be in the doo-doo.
So if you and the rest of the apologists are happy to play with the future of the club by leaving it in his hands, hats off to you, just don't come crying here in a couple of seasons calling for people to go up and watch us take on Wexford Youths in a mid-table clash in the First Division on a pi.ssy wet October night.

While I dont disagree with your "FACTS" Woodquayboy, I wonder why did you only concentrate on the negatives? Why didnt you include plenty of more facts which are at your disposal? Also, I must ask you for next weeks lotto numbers as I can see in the fact that is highlighted you can predict the future !!!!!

here are a quick 2 or 3 other facts woodquayboy:

Good away form, unfortunately not brought home on the bus. FACT

only 12 losses, better record than half of the other clubs in the league, unfortunately this means highest drawn matches in the division. FACT

better first season with a full time players set up than drogheda (this season champions) in there first season (who won a playoff against galway united to survive in there first season as a fulltime set up). FACT

if longfod got back their 6 points they would still be in the bottom 2 and if waterford had an extra month they would still be where they were as they said that they couldnt improve on there playing staff at the time as there wasnt any cash available to them. So, in that case above you were a bit out on that "fact".

Next seasons part of the 5 year plan is middle table. From what I have been told the plan is already rolling for next season. It consists of a large change in personnal. I have heard of one name so far for next season which is a large improvement, and many more to follow apparently! This obviously means a large movement out the door too. If it all works out for the club your "FACT" the one which was just a gut feelings about the future, will not come to pass. Nobody know for "FACT" what lies ahead, we just have to wait and see. When the season is over the board of directors will sit down and decided where the things went wrong this season and eliminate those problems to stop them reoccuring, this would be the most important step for the club in moving forward yet again next season.

Finally, tell me why the childish attack on posters here at the end of your post? If people want to think positive its there choice, not everyone must think alike. I myself think positive every friday night and someday I hope I will feel more positive later those nights after the match too, put only time will tell.

gilberto_eire
21/10/2007, 11:45 AM
we mightnt even get to see year 4 of the plan thanks to TC's great managerial skills(which didnt even get us up on the pitch btw) which have us staring back at the 1st divison again with 3 games remaining!!:rolleyes:..........FACT

Terry
21/10/2007, 12:01 PM
one thing for certain now, is we are going to have to see what strength we have left, both mentally and physically ! Nothing else counts now except the results.

Claret Murph
21/10/2007, 12:30 PM
one thing for certain now, is we are going to have to see what strength we have left, both mentally and physically ! Nothing else counts now except the results.

I could not have put it better myself , it's getting nearer to the last throw of the dice for the 3 bottom teams one mistake leaves the door open for the other two teams . You have to remember we are in the driving seat at the moment and 3 points on friday night will make us all feel one hell of a lot better .......

gilberto_eire
21/10/2007, 7:07 PM
yes we are but we have at least 2 less wins then the rest and waterford have beaten us twice this year so we're not exactly in a great position!!...... i hope that ''good'' result in bray friday doesnt come back to haunt us!!

gufct
21/10/2007, 7:55 PM
positive as usual.

gilberto_eire
21/10/2007, 8:49 PM
positive as usual.

overly positive as usual!!..... wake up and smell the coffee GUFCT we're on the verge off relegation and you still think the current set-up is doing well!!...

i just cant believe ppl are talking about year 4 of the plan considering the current situation..last i checked you cant place mid-table in the Prem when your in the 1st division!!

Conor H
21/10/2007, 10:27 PM
Look we all know it hasn't been a good season and alot of quarters haven't delivered and their positions for next season should seriously be conisdered.

But for the next 3 weeks all efforts should be about supporting UTD and the cause in making sure we're still a Premier Divison Club come 3 weeks.

Everyone should get as many up the Dyke on Friday as possible and every single person on this board should make an effort to go to Waterford friday week.That's nearly 2 weeks to make arrangements.

I've no doubt the supporters will play their part on Friday.I just hope the players realise the mammoth effort required and 100% pride and passion required for Friday.If we lose to Derry,a team languishing in mid table with nothing to play for it will be simply down to the team not wanting it enough.

People shouldn't waste their time talking about tactics during the week.It's all about how much the players want it.By all accounts they all read this forum so everyone should make it plainly obvious what we expect on Friday.
COME ON UTD!:cool:

galwayhoop
22/10/2007, 11:07 AM
While I dont disagree with your "FACTS" Woodquayboy, I wonder why did you only concentrate on the negatives? Why didnt you include plenty of more facts which are at your disposal? Also, I must ask you for next weeks lotto numbers as I can see in the fact that is highlighted you can predict the future !!!!!

................

better first season with a full time players set up than drogheda (this season champions) in there first season (who won a playoff against galway united to survive in there first season as a fulltime set up). FACT
It appears that it isn't only WoodquayBoy who can predict the future...
surely our season being better than the Drogs doesn't become a FACT until we are clear of the Play-Off spot!!! We are currently one point ahead of Waterford and have to play them away!

I hope to God that we avoid it and personally I think that our best shout is to beat Derry at home on Friday. The worst case scenario is us losing and Waterford beating a Drogs team who are coasting to the end of a long season having secured the Championship crown already. That scenario would be a nightmare where we would need to win in the RSC.

Regardless of whether you think TC is the man for the job or if you dont (like me), it is vital that the team get good support on Friday, anything short of a win is unthinkable!

galwaygirl
24/10/2007, 10:08 AM
I've no doubt the supporters will play their part on Friday.I just hope the players realise the mammoth effort required and 100% pride and passion required for Friday.
I've been speakin to a couple of the players both monday and yesterday and believe me they're up for it Friday nite.

bring it on....:D