View Full Version : Jersey Clash - Cork Fined
dublinwanderer
04/10/2007, 12:57 PM
http://www.irishfootballonline.com/news/7384.html
surely thats wrong???
or have we missed something...
i was expecting bray to get fined!!!!
For some reason the rule is that the home team must change if the away team arrive with clashing colours but then the next question is why did Bray arrive with clashing colours...
Sam_Heggy
04/10/2007, 1:02 PM
Galway fined for their GK jersey too? :confused:
For some reason the rule is that the home team must change if the away team arrive with clashing colours but then the next question is why did Bray arrive with clashing colours...
I agree with the rule of fining clubs to get them in line but fining City for wearing their home jersey in strangely their home ground is ridiculous. To make matters worse Bray don't get fined at all???
So if Shamrock Rovers arrive in Turners Cross only with their home hooped jersey City would be fined again if refused to change from our home jersey???
:confused::confused::confused:
Claret Murph
04/10/2007, 1:40 PM
If the away team always had to travel with two kits I am sure this would never happen again
FAI .........SORT IT OUT .
If the away team always had to travel with two kits I am sure this would never happen again
FAI .........SORT IT OUT .
It is fairly simple:
Home team always plays in home jersey
Away team plays in home jersey but if that clashes plays in away jersey
Referee ensures he has a jersey that does not clash with all 3
Tir Oilean
04/10/2007, 1:49 PM
Surely if a team is playing away they should bring their away kit? If these clash the home team can change to their away kit without hassle. However this is all down to a matter of opinion for the ref. So opinions are going to differ how will there be consistency with the rule? Having said that a quick phone call prior to departure would sort out this problem. Unless of course as has happened the ref is unhappy with all four goalkeeper jerseys!!!
BrayUnknowns
04/10/2007, 2:02 PM
Surely if a team is playing away they should bring their away kit? If these clash the home team can change to their away kit without hassle. However this is all down to a matter of opinion for the ref. So opinions are going to differ how will there be consistency with the rule? Having said that a quick phone call prior to departure would sort out this problem. Unless of course as has happened the ref is unhappy with all four goalkeeper jerseys!!!
That was the case in our suitation - phone calls made to Cork, home and away kits brought, never a problem before, ref this time wasn't happy.
Can't believe Cork got fined though, shocking decision :mad:
OneRedArmy
04/10/2007, 2:05 PM
It is fairly simple:
Home team always plays in home jersey
Away team plays in home jersey but if that clashes plays in away jersey
Referee ensures he has a jersey that does not clash with all 3
Are you quoting the rules or what you think the rules should be?
michaelguineys
04/10/2007, 2:07 PM
Ridden Rock Solid
The Lilywhites
04/10/2007, 2:09 PM
How in the name of God can Cork be fined??
And, going by that fine to Galway, Dundalk can expect to be fined €100 as well even though they have four different coloured goalkeeper jerseys?
I give up.
passerrby
04/10/2007, 2:11 PM
in an attempt to sort this out fai have issued all clubs with a form they must submit 24 hrs before kickoff to ensure no clashes ...what happened to clubs ringing each other about kits before a match or are we just a bunch of w*&kers
harps1954
04/10/2007, 2:14 PM
It is fairly simple:
Home team always plays in home jersey
Away team plays in home jersey but if that clashes plays in away jersey
Referee ensures he has a jersey that does not clash with all 3
You're right.
- Home teams wears their first choice kit.
- Away team wears their first choice kit if it doesn't clash with home team kit.
- Away team will change to their second choice kit if it clashes with home team kit.
However, there is a rule in the League rulebook which states that if the away team's two kits clash with a home team's first choice kit, then the home team must change to their second choice kit.
If Bray brought both their kits with them and the referee decided that they both clashed with Cork's, Cork should have changed their kit to their away kit. If Cork refused to do this, this is probably why they ended up with the fine.
It's actually a different rule for the FAI Cup believe it or not. The away team can wear their first choice kit and if it clashes, it is the home team which must change to their second choice kit.
passerrby
04/10/2007, 2:19 PM
[QUOTE=harps1954;783162]You're right.
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If Bray brought both their kits with them and the referee decided that they both clashed with Cork's, Cork should have changed their kit to their away kit. If Cork refused to do this, this is probably why they ended up with the fine.QUOTE]
now that makes sense
However, there is a rule in the League rulebook which states that if the away team's two kits clash with a home team's first choice kit, then the home team must change to their second choice kit.
If Bray brought both their kits with them and the referee decided that they both clashed with Cork's, Cork should have changed their kit to their away kit. If Cork refused to do this, this is probably why they ended up with the fine.
Makes sense. Case closed.
Its breathtaking really. The FAi are a shambles. and prove it on a weekly basis.
Still it'll buy a few coctails on their jolly up To South Africa
Super Rovers
04/10/2007, 2:31 PM
Makes sense. Case closed.
how can it make sense if cork are fined. bray wore cork's away jerseys occording to the article
which saw Bray Wanderers take the field in Cork's old away kit
would explain Pats and Galway both wearing away kits on friday. suppose cork can't be as professional as Galway
Sniffer
04/10/2007, 2:38 PM
in an attempt to sort this out fai have issued all clubs with a form they must submit 24 hrs before kickoff to ensure no clashes ...what happened to clubs ringing each other about kits before a match or are we just a bunch of w*&kers
Because the final decision rests with the match referee; this is actually a positive step. Once this info is with the FAI (and presumably the match ref) before travel then there should be no further problems.
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 2:44 PM
So a team could have an away that's not too different to their home, thereby forcing the home team to change every time? :confused:
feo123
04/10/2007, 2:47 PM
bray's away jersey clashes with corks home jersey, as does bray's home jersey. maybe they did bring the two of them and cork still refused, rightly so really, everyone should have 3 kits.
and bray, for havin a green and white home jersey and a white away jersey is just stupid. there not the only team that has a very similar away kit!
The Lilywhites
04/10/2007, 2:48 PM
Because the final decision rests with the match referee; this is actually a positive step. Once this info is with the FAI (and presumably the match ref) before travel then there should be no further problems.
That is unless the match ref is a certain Mr. B.
By the FAI's logic Shamrock can come down so to Cork tomorrow and insist on wearing their hoops or we'll get fined?
Its truely breathtaking. The FAI are nothing but a laughing stock
By the FAI's logic Shamrock can come down so to Cork tomorrow and insist on wearing their hoops or we'll get fined?
Its truely breathtaking. The FAI are nothing but a laughing stock
No, Rovers must bring their home and away kits. If both clash with your home kit then you wear your away kit.
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 3:09 PM
Have the League not heard of third kits?
harpskid
04/10/2007, 3:12 PM
I've just spoken to someone on this and he reckons that the referee shouldn't have started the game if the clash of colours was so bad....Keely has a piece in The Sun today about the Dundalk goalkeeper last week. This league has gone mad altogether!
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 3:18 PM
It's totally Bray's fault imo, they know that there are only two teams in the League who they clash with, both of whom have equal parts green and white in their kit, so their away should be a totally different colour.
centre mid
04/10/2007, 3:26 PM
It's totally Bray's fault imo, they know that there are only two teams in the League who they clash with, both of whom have equal parts green and white in their kit, so their away should be a totally different colour.
We brought both our kits, the ref wasnt happy, the club colours are white and green. Cork as the home team are obliged to change. end of
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 3:28 PM
I know that Bray are in the right under the rules, what I mean is they had a lack of foresight when deciding upon their away kit. If that's the case City could have a home kit of white and green stripes, white shorts and white socks, with the away green and white stripes, green shorts and green socks. These kits would always be deemed to clash with Rovers' and Bray's home kits so we'd never have to wear an away kit. The rules are stupid.
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 3:31 PM
Just looked up pictures of Rovers at home to Bray in May and both sides wore their away kits that night
The system works :)
Sometimes anyway.
centre mid
04/10/2007, 3:34 PM
I could be wrong but i think our away gear is a few years old, going back to when we had all green home* ( horrible jersey) and all white away
*See Avatar above
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 3:37 PM
That kit in your avatar is adidas, ye have umbro now, the adidas away was white with black shorts and socks so less of a clash
harps1954
04/10/2007, 3:40 PM
City could have a home kit of white and green stripes . . . with the away green and white stripes
Now, that's just taking the **** - what you have said above is the same as saying that Shamrock Rovers have green and white hoops as their home kit and their away kit could be white and green hoops.
At the end of the day, Cork were probably been asked to wear their second choice strip - with their crest, their sponsors logos. If it turns out that Cork were given the fine because THEY REFUSED to wear their own second choice shirts at a home game, well then shame on them.
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 3:45 PM
I know I used an extreme example, I was just pointing out that if Bray's away clashes with Bray's home then it's likely it will clash with City and Rovers, so should not be allowed to be white and green.
I agree that City should have worn their away that night for sponsorship reasons (Bray players interviewed after has the white shirts on for that very reason).
However I do not agree that City should be fined for what is essentially a lack of foresight on Bray's part.
harps1954
04/10/2007, 3:50 PM
. . . a lack of foresight on Bray's part.
. . . and maybe a lack of stubbornness on Cork's part??
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 3:51 PM
What I want to know is were City informed beforehand that they would be fined if they wore the home kit. If they were then it is gross stupidity on their part. If not then it's a joke
harps1954
04/10/2007, 3:56 PM
What I want to know is were City informed beforehand that they would be fined if they wore the home kit. If they were then it is gross stupidity on their part. If not then it's a joke
It's in the rulebook that if the visiting club's two registered colours clash with the home side, then the home side must change. Doesn't mention a fine, but remember the Participation Agreement that every club signed prior to the start of the season states that rule breaks will be dealt with by way of fines, point deducations, etc.
So, basically, if Cork broke the rules they should have known a fine was on the way. If they didn't know this was the rule (re the clash of shirts), well that's something someone at the club will have to answer.
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 3:57 PM
Is there a pdf of the rules anywhere?
superfrank
04/10/2007, 4:03 PM
What a joke of a decision. If any club was to be fined it should have been ourselves.
What a joke of a decision. If any club was to be fined it should have been ourselves.
Why? You went to the game with both your kits. It was Cork who refused to budge
The Lilywhites
04/10/2007, 4:38 PM
Keely has a piece in The Sun today about the Dundalk goalkeeper last week.
Anyone got a scan of this?
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 4:39 PM
Why? You went to the game with both your kits. It was Cork who refused to budge
Both of their kits, neither of which was sufficiently different from the home team's
OneRedArmy
04/10/2007, 4:41 PM
Both of their kits, neither of which was sufficiently different from the home team's.............so Cork change their kit.
They didn't, and got fined.
Am I missing something?:confused:
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 4:43 PM
No you're not, under the rules Bray are in the right. However the rules are stupid. Were Derry fined last season when Sligo came to the Brandywell and their away of white shirts and red shorts was deemed to clash with the Derry colours and Sligo wore the black Derry away?
Bald Student
04/10/2007, 4:45 PM
It the problem not partially caused by the fact that the decision is made on the day by the ref. Should these issues not be decided at the start of the season and let the FAI decide which kits clash and let the clubs register what they plan to wear well in advance of the game?
centre mid
04/10/2007, 4:46 PM
Clubs do register their home & away colours
Bald Student
04/10/2007, 4:47 PM
Clubs do register their home & away coloursAnd is there a register of what kits clash? Is it written down anywhere whether Bohs can wear their away kit when Waterford are wearing their home kit?
centre mid
04/10/2007, 4:49 PM
And is there a register of what kits clash? Is it written down anywhere whether Bohs can wear their away kit when Waterford are wearing their home kit?
Not sure but its not a secret or anything, common-sense should have dictated but obvioulsy not here. Cork refusing to change, allegedly, is childish.
TommyGaynor
04/10/2007, 4:50 PM
Not sure but its not a secret or anything, common-sense should have dictated but obvioulsy not here. Cork refusing to change, allegedly, is childish.
Common sense should have dictated that Bray had an away kit that didn't clash with the home kits of the only two sides they'd need to wear it against
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