Czech Republic 1-0 Ireland post match discussion thread [Archive] - Page 6

galwayhoop

13/09/2007, 3:50 PM

again iirc we were penalised for a foul from the Reid free kick and the Czechs took a quick free with none of our players standing over the ball to prevent it being taken quickly. this in a match, if ye remember, where the ref pointed to his whistle every time prior to a free indicating it was only to be take on his whistle. again nothing major in the normal course of events but if we are analysing the goal ad nausim then there is fault here too.

Newryrep

13/09/2007, 3:58 PM

My 2 cents

Cant be too disapponted,as the majority of people werent expecting too much following the team selection/display on Saturday and team selection for Wed -was anybody really expecting a win or draw. the really depressing things are the things that are most annoying us are

1. another major championship passes us by this time with 3 games to go, the fact that we lost to Cyrus 5-2 and until Sat still had a realistic chance to qualify sums up the qulaity in that particular group.

2. International football has seen a great levelling off IMO due to the influence of the big clubs. Smaller nations have a much better chance than years ago as long as they are not beat before they go on the pitch (esp against England and Brasil). While we dont exect to qualify for every tournament 1 out of 2 or 2/3 out of 5 isnt unrealistic. Yet we are being slated for being over ambitious ?

3. Current manager's inability to see/admit* what was/is blatently obvious as regards performances/what is acceptable eg we were bloody awful for 35mins before an injury gave us a lifeline

* how we laughed when Keegan left England but at least he held his hands up and admitted he wasnt up to the job

4. Team Improving ? - still up for discussion, it has certainly gone backwards in the last few games especially Saturday.

5 New manager - only if somebody better is actually available

So only a bit disapponinted as after Saturday my expectations plummeted , but bloody depressed

SwanVsDalton

13/09/2007, 5:33 PM

It was harsh but the intent was there and if you give continental ref's the opportunity, they'll send you off. He's an idiot, but what matter? Hopefully he'll learn.

bellavistaman

13/09/2007, 5:38 PM

it wasn't a red card. I was disgusted with the Czech's rolling around throughout the game.

Agree 100% baros an absolute ***** of a man too. richard Dunne and McShane made me proud to be irish last night, the passion they show in every game, top class

pineapple stu

13/09/2007, 5:40 PM

If that was a red, every game should finish 8-a-side.

Nailer77

13/09/2007, 5:42 PM

No, it was a stupid tackle, even if it wasn't quite a red its hard to argue the case.

McGeady10

13/09/2007, 5:56 PM

antrimgreen

13/09/2007, 9:00 PM

I do know the basic rules on defending galwayhoop and yes Baros may have side stepped as he is very nippy, but IMO at the time i thought there was a split second when the tackle could have been made. And you are right if we had scored a similar goal we would be saying what great attacking play, scoring team think it was a great move defending team analysis the poor defensive play.

Done and dusted now, Kelly if starting should have been at RB. I now can't wait til Euro 08 is over so we are back to trying to qualify hopefully without Stan.

galwayhoop

14/09/2007, 9:21 AM

Done and dusted now, Kelly if starting should have been at RB. .
absolutely agree

I now can't wait til Euro 08 is over so we are back to trying to qualify hopefully without Stan.
unfortunately i can't see this happening :mad:

rambler14

14/09/2007, 11:46 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=751xtd6Edm4

Check this one out lads. You thought Hunts red card was bad this is worse.(just)

Metrostars

14/09/2007, 12:05 PM

The funny thing is that the ref didnt even see it, go back and look at the video:

Ball is there to be won.
Both players go in.
Hunt wins it and ball comes out.
Ref follows direction of the ball.
Hunt's momentum causes him to follow through.
Czech player yelps out.
Ref looks back.
Play is stopped.
Czech players chase the ref.
Hunt is red carded.

Stuttgart88

14/09/2007, 2:18 PM

You could add after "follow through" that he actually withdrew his trailing leg.

biscuit

14/09/2007, 2:29 PM

Quite simply Hunt made it easy for the ref to send him off and can only blame himself. If you're going into a tackle like that at ANY TIME you leave yourself open to a red card.

If you go into a tackle like that in a match where the home fans are on your back cause you near ended the career of there goalkeeper and their players are desperate to get one up on you then you're an idiot... and that's exactly what Hunt is.

i was wondering wheter to take your post seriously...looked at your username and that made up my mind...id rather have that "idiot" representing my country than the big waste of space in your username, who was so out of his depth in both games that it was scary.

Torn-Ado

14/09/2007, 3:05 PM

Stuttgart88

14/09/2007, 3:14 PM

Peter Cech's analysis was correct I think. It wouldn't even be a foul in England but in Europe that type of takle isn't tolerated. Hunt should have known this just from watching World Cups on telly. It was a stupid tackle but the punishment didn't fit the crime, even by European "non contact" standards. A yellow would have told him not to do it again.

biscuit

14/09/2007, 3:19 PM

The only one I'd question taking seriously is you. McGeady10 makes a good point about Hunts tackle but you, like many in here will spout your anti Celtic bias as a retort.

anti celtic bias...did i touch a nerve...i regularily travel over to celtic games, and would call myself a fan. But i believe that while mcgeady is good enough for the SPL and the odd CL game where he lifts his performance a little, iv've seen nothing in him playing for ireland that suggests hes good enough at this level, so take your smart arse retorts out the door with you on your way out. this has nothing to do with celtic, its about hunts sending off against the czechs and the performance in general...maybe go to world football, and attack posters there.

John83

14/09/2007, 3:28 PM

...He also didn't book the Czech earlier when he dived for a penalty, its either a penalty or a booking for a dive, it can't be neither.
Not true.

Torn-Ado

14/09/2007, 3:30 PM

anti celtic bias...did i touch a nerve...i regularily travel over to celtic games, and would call myself a fan. But i believe that while mcgeady is good enough for the SPL and the odd CL game where he lifts his performance a little, iv've seen nothing in him playing for ireland that suggests hes good enough at this level, so take your smart arse retorts out the door with you on your way out. this has nothing to do with celtic, its about hunts sending off against the czechs and the performance in general...maybe go to world football, and attack posters there.

Then why did you bring McGeady into the equation and attack the post from McGeady10. Hunts challenge was stupid, he was always open to a red card when the studs are showing and he can be prone to hothead behaviour like he is at Reading. He was far too rash. Like the man points out in his post.

There was no need to jump on his back for having a players name (albeit an underperforming one) as his username. McGeady deserves his criticism but this is a thread about Hunt.

biscuit

14/09/2007, 3:35 PM

Morbo

14/09/2007, 3:36 PM

Not true.
Really, I thought Fifa had made diving an automatic yellow card offense

John83

14/09/2007, 3:40 PM

Really, I thought Fifa had made diving an automatic yellow card offense
I think so, but it's not necessarily the case that the ref must assume that either there was a foul or a dive. It's possible to be tackled cleanly and lose your balance.

Torn-Ado

14/09/2007, 3:41 PM

fair enough, but why slate him as an idiot....he went into a challenge a LITTLE too hard....no way was it a red, i was merely pointing out that the poster obviously admired mcgeady, yet called a better player (imo) and idiot. and nothing to do with celtic...:ball: so il leave it there ;)

Fair enough. However I tend to agree with McGeady10's post. He gets it fairly spot on when he says that Hunt will always leave himself open to a red card with a challenge like that. I'm willing to put it down to passion and desire but it was extremely reckless and will always be controversial.

:)

Bondvillain

14/09/2007, 5:15 PM

I thought it warranted a yellow. Perhaps a yellow and a "what are you at you gimp? If you fart funny from now on you're off" clip round the ear from the ref.

The verdict was compounded by seeing the complete lack of reaction to the tackle from the Czech bench, which was directly in front of Hunt and his dying swan target.

Seeing as they stood entirely motionless throughout the incident (until the card was brandished) They obviously didnt feel it was a serious enough challenge to warrant running towards the ref, jumping up and down, and brandishing imaginary colourdy cards in the air like demented latin bingo callers, and if anyone was gonna be first to jump at a half-chance of an advantage, it woulda been them...

horney

15/09/2007, 4:56 PM

doesn't matter we're ****** anyway

McGeady10

15/09/2007, 7:55 PM

i was wondering wheter to take your post seriously...looked at your username and that made up my mind...id rather have that "idiot" representing my country than the big waste of space in your username, who was so out of his depth in both games that it was scary.

Do you actually believe this stuff you type.

Aiden McGeady out of his depth against the likes of Slovakia and Czech Republic in front of about 20,000 fans in eastern europe?

This guy has played - and played well - in huge Champoins League matches against the likes of AC Milan in the San Siro??

Only last month he was Celtic's best out field player in a Champions League qualifier against Spartak Moscow - a level the likes of Hunt and practically every other member of the Irish XI in both matches bar Keane and Given will ever play at on a regular basis.

Yeah McGeady had two bad games but lets remember he's playing in a hopeless team with no shape and he's been played out of position.

On another note the Donegal maestro had another MOTM performance today!

Morbo

15/09/2007, 9:11 PM

Finnan played today and played well, what a surprise, the lad sure heels quickly

tricky_colour

15/09/2007, 10:54 PM

Finnan played today and played well, what a surprise, the lad sure heels quickly

I have no doubt whatsoever about his reason for not playing. I'm sure the medical staff at both Ireland and Liverpool will be able to confirm that.
He is apparently very proud of his Irish Nationality so I find it rather unlikely that he would miss an important game if it was at all possible to play. Which is refreshing to see, these days.
.

shakermaker1982

16/09/2007, 9:50 AM

if his name was Roy Keane we'd have had a separate thread on his recovery!!!

carloz

16/09/2007, 11:48 AM

Actually according to the papers today he looked very rusty throughout the game and didnt look fully fit. Maybe he is finally getting ****ed off of being contiously played out of position for Ireland when he is our only player to continously play well in the Chapions League

carloz

16/09/2007, 11:53 AM

Do you actually believe this stuff you type.

Aiden McGeady out of his depth against the likes of Slovakia and Czech Republic in front of about 20,000 fans in eastern europe?

This guy has played - and played well - in huge Champoins League matches against the likes of AC Milan in the San Siro??

Only last month he was Celtic's best out field player in a Champions League qualifier against Spartak Moscow - a level the likes of Hunt and practically every other member of the Irish XI in both matches bar Keane and Given will ever play at on a regular basis.

Yeah McGeady had two bad games but lets remember he's playing in a hopeless team with no shape and he's been played out of position.

On another note the Donegal maestro had another MOTM performance today!

No McGeady didnt have two bad games. He had two absolutly woeful games and proved he can not hack the physicality of the international game. His performance against th Czechs was one of the worst i have seen in an Irish jersey in some 10 years. I didnt think he could top Slovakia for a dreadful performance but by god he did. You cant blame the fact that he was playing in a 'hapless team with no shape'. he saw plenty of the ball and every time he ran with his head down, into a blind alley and was then simply brused off the ball. He lost possesion so many times in Prague it was shocking. Yes Aidan did look completly out of his depth and at times looked like a child playing in a mans game

ken foree

16/09/2007, 1:00 PM

unfortunately the suits want to turn this game into some kind of non-contact sport. by the rules, hunt won the ball and then took the man. no foul, no card. if anything, hunt won the ball too early giving the czech player plenty of time to "air-crucify" himself so the ref could take notice. conversely, richard dunne thumped peter cech across the throat (with no attempt to play the ball) for mcshane's would-be equalizer that was cleared off the line. shoulda been a free out.

McGeady10

16/09/2007, 1:17 PM

No McGeady didnt have two bad games. He had two absolutly woeful games and proved he can not hack the physicality of the international game. His performance against th Czechs was one of the worst i have seen in an Irish jersey in some 10 years. I didnt think he could top Slovakia for a dreadful performance but by god he did. You cant blame the fact that he was playing in a 'hapless team with no shape'. he saw plenty of the ball and every time he ran with his head down, into a blind alley and was then simply brused off the ball. He lost possesion so many times in Prague it was shocking. Yes Aidan did look completly out of his depth and at times looked like a child playing in a mans game

Champions League is a higher class than playing the likes of the Czechs and Slovakia. Yes McGeady was woeful but by-jaysus to say he's out his depth and not good enough for Ireland is ridiculous when guys like Jonathan Douglas and Steven Hunt are kicking around the squad.

kingeric

16/09/2007, 1:23 PM

Hunt got himself into more trouble yesterday as he was seen throw away the black armband (that all players were wearing as a mark of respect for Ian Porterfield) in the direction of the sunderland fans. Hopefully there was no intent to offend.

http://readytogo.net/smb/forumdisplay.php?f=66

Stuttgart88

16/09/2007, 1:23 PM

Like Ireland, McGeady is a luxury we can't accomodate because the rest of the team isn't strong enough. The kid's only 20 so cut him a bit of slack. He's very much work in progress. Personally I still think he takes the ball standing too much, he should be moving onto the ball.

OwlsFan

16/09/2007, 3:20 PM

Finnan played today and played well, what a surprise, the lad sure heels quickly

I predicted elsewhere he would play on Saturday. Also whether he was rusty or not he played the full 90 minutes. I suspect he wasn't fit for the Slovak game but could have made the Czech game but we've seen this all before for years with the top clubs ruling their players out given any opportunity.

stojkovic

16/09/2007, 6:56 PM

We were a shambolic nightmare tonight and yet the computer brigade don't understand that! Against a poor Czech team we gave up. Baros the phoney laughing away with our "captain" Robbie Keane who as far as I'm concerned should never play for Ireland again.

You're wasting your time slagging off Robbieeeeee on here, I gave up long ago. People look at statistics (top scorer etc) total ******. Fact is our TOP SCORER hasnt scored AWAY from home in a competitive match since Rotterdam in 2000. Thats seven years ago.

I was always a big Robbieeeeee fan (since Argentina in 98) and cannot understand why he cant show the same level of committment and maturity for Ireland as he does for Spurs. He has been 'below par' (im choosing my words carefully) for Ireland for a long long time.

Not one person in Prague I spoke to had complementary things to say about him.

While I dont think he should be dropped (unless Long and Murphy start scoring) the captaincy should be taken off him and a new manager kick him up the hole. He should be taking a leaf out of Michael Owen's book.

We'll have to wait (and wait) and see.

Morbo

16/09/2007, 8:58 PM

According to Paddy Power, Ireland's odds of qualifying are 16-1 which would make you think there was a tiny glimmer of hope but then again our odds of not qualifying are 1-200, WTF? those are some ****ty odds Paddy power are offering, both bets represent terrible value for money, I reckon we got about a 1% chance of qualifying, you'd never know, if the Germans or Czechs were done for match fixing and got points deducted we could sneak in.
I remember falling for an Aprils fools joke on the radio that Portugal(or maybe it was Holland) had being kicked out of Euro 96 and Ireland got in by default, *******S!

mypost

17/09/2007, 1:17 AM

I reckon it'll be a disaster if we got 1 down. We'll cave in. The tactical awareness from the manager, concentration and fitness required to be good at peggin teams back is totally absent within our team.

:D

There's more tactical awareness in the telephone directory.

Who was going to be the super-sub to equalise and keep us in the tournament in Prague?? Drum-rolll:

Andrew Keogh. :confused:

Final Score: 0-1. :rolleyes:

Torn-Ado

17/09/2007, 1:32 AM

i think stan should play this at half time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_eUCLewLtA&mode=related&search=

Jesus.

I feel like crying after watching that. What a performance.

tricky_colour

17/09/2007, 2:11 AM

Jesus.

I feel like crying after watching that. What a performance.

If you have not seen Paul Potts version before then you had best get your hankie then ;)

It's seems a lot more moving to me, I don't know why, maybe because he is a short fat bloke in a scruffy suit with busted teeth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA

dr_peepee

17/09/2007, 10:18 AM

If you have not seen Paul Potts version before then you had best get your hankie then ;)

Leader of the Khmer Rouge????

NeilMcD

17/09/2007, 5:39 PM

pineapple stu

17/09/2007, 5:42 PM

No. It was never a red card.

soccerc

17/09/2007, 5:44 PM

No. It was never a red card.

Nor was it a dangerous or high tackle. If it ws you can be assured that the Czech bench would have reacted -they didn't

Torn-Ado

17/09/2007, 5:45 PM

It was a stupid challenge but I'll put it down to desire. It wasn't in the same mould as McAteers and Connollys malicious challenges against Macedonia and Belguim respectively.

He tried to get the ball but did so in a stupid way which was always going to leave him open to a red.

pineapple stu

17/09/2007, 5:45 PM

Nor was it a dangerous or high tackle. If it ws you can be assured that the Czech bench would have reacted -they didn't

Agreed.

I assumed it was a second yellow.

Maroon 7

17/09/2007, 5:46 PM

Maybe a bit stupid and naive. He would have got no more than a yellow card in the Premier League for it. Hunt though is still quite inexperienced in dealing with international players and their playacting and refs who don't allow physical challenges like they do in the Premier League.

He'll know better next time. Hopefully.

zenokelly

17/09/2007, 5:47 PM

Well I definitely wouldn't blame the lad with the support he got before and when he came on, his natural instinct would have been to try and win every ball and be aggressive as he could be to live up to the support he was receiving

Maybe if he was on from the start:rolleyes: he wouldn't have felt that he needed to show the fans or manager as much, as he would have had the full 90 minutes to show the tremendous skill he possesses (plus the 90 minutes in Bratislava)

Basically instead of playing for 3 hours he played 30:confused: minutes because of the manager's unwillingless to start him (in both games)

Wouldn't blame him - wanted to repay the fans support for him. end of.

NeilMcD

17/09/2007, 5:52 PM

It seems that Irish fans like mindless running around the pitch rather than actual skill to be honest. Hunt is a decent player no more and no less but he is seen as the saviour by many of the Irish fans. I find this baffling.

Sligo Hornet

17/09/2007, 5:56 PM

I think he did. It was a stupid and dirty tackle to make He got the ball first but it was a an overly agressive and high tackle that could have done real damage to the Czech player. I thought that at the time when I was at the game and having seen the footage from a few ankles I dont think the tackle can be defended. Ok he made a good cameo appearance and it gave the Irish team better balance. But that was all thrown away but his lack of experience and stupidity in my view.

Of course he was the hero to the mob for some bizarre reason.

"ankles".......you are sharp!:D

However, I disagree....it was a yellow card offence only, but in light of the expected, and received abuse he got from the home crowd, he should have engaged his brain ( and should have been reminded of this by his First Class Manager......Oh yeah, I forgot we don't have one! )