The Post Staunton Era?

[mackannovic]

A large amount of posts seem to be in agreement that Stan isn't the man for the job. Should we lose or draw against the Czechs then surely his time is up. But who should be brought in to replace the "Walsall Waterboy"???

My vote is for David O'Leary purely because he's the most qualified available Irish manager for the job.

Opinions please.

[OwlsFan]

Someone who will take a salary of €25k because the Association will be bankrupt having had to pay off Stan and his team. Won't happen so forget it.

[Torn-Ado]

Someone who will take a salary of €25k because the Association will be bankrupt having had to pay off Stan and his team. Won't happen so forget it.

Exactly. The FAI won't sack him regardless of the results.

[shelbourne1904]

This is the eternal arguement
How much will it cost to remove him but how much will it cost to KEEP him???

[barney]

A large amount of posts seem to be in agreement that Stan isn't the man for the job. Should we lose or draw against the Czechs then surely his time is up. But who should be brought in to replace the "Walsall Waterboy"???

My vote is for David O'Leary purely because he's the most qualified available Irish manager for the job.

Opinions please.

If we draw against the Czechs, he should be fired?!? WTF That will be 10 games unbeaten. I'm no Stan fan but you couldn't sack him.

Regardless, he won't be sacked because it'll cost a fortune, put John Delaney under huge pressure and there is no outstanding replacement.

[reder]

Exactly. The FAI won't sack him regardless of the results.

I totally agree. I was discussing this at lunch and cant really see a situation through which he will get the boot. The defeat to Cyprus was as bad as it gets on the field and he deserved to get sacked after it. Coupling that with San Marino it is clear that the FAI has no intention of terminating his contract.

In the event that we lose on Wed, im absolutely certain that Delaney will come out with a statement supporting Stan and they will run for cover until the Germany game. They will probably assign all media interviews to B.R. as they courageously did last time.

[mackannovic]

I know they have a reputaition for standing by there man but I can't remember public opinion being so against the man in charge as it is for Stan "Steven" Staunton. Even at the end Kerr still had his backers but Staunton hasn't a leg to stand on.

[cavan_fan]

Why sack him. It's likely his replacement would be Aldridge or McAteer, someone of that standard. At least he has experience now, unless you are going to get a quality manager you may as well stick with him. I thin there are signs of improvement, it would be interesting to see what the picture would have been but for a last minute goal.

[elroy]

He wont be sacked, even if we lose on wed. Remember its a "four year plan", so lets get behind the team, there have been signs of improvement the last few months (not that it couldve got much worse). I think its time to stop this "sack the manager" campaign after every single bad result.

Realistically unless we win on wednesday, we're aiming for finishing third, resulting in us been third seeds for the WC draw.

[OwlsFan]

They cannot afford to sack him. End of story. Yes they can afford to keep him on because the home games will be sell outs.

[Noelys Guitar]

"I won't walk away from the job" will be the statement! which really means pay me off. "We are all fully behind Steve" will be the FAI standard. Which really means we are broke and can't pay him off.

[mackannovic]

Why sack him. It's likely his replacement would be Aldridge or McAteer, someone of that standard. At least he has experience now, unless you are going to get a quality manager you may as well stick with him. I thin there are signs of improvement, it would be interesting to see what the picture would have been but for a last minute goal.

At least Aldridge and McAteer have experience being a manager they aren't just coming from nowhere. Not that I'd be partial to either. I can't see any signs of improvement to be honest, the Denmark game was akin to that against Sweden, a nothing result. Same old friendly mentality Denmark going through the motions and Ireland playing like the World Cup final. When the pressures on in a real match the same composure isn't there. Unfortunately Slovakia did score, it would be interesting to see what the world of football looked like without a last minute goals, what makes them any more different than a goal in the 36th minute???

[carloz]

It goes back to the sheer stupidity of giving the man a 4 year contract. Its not as if there were a cue of clubs after him, his job was putting out the cones for Wycome or Walsall(forget which on). Of course Delaney doesnt have to answer to anyone but he is the one 100% of our anger should be aimed at. How could a guy with such a horrible haircut make it to that position. Im still of the belief that Stan should have walked after cyprus. if we fail to beat the czechs i think he should walk as well. I know he wont but for the sake of Irish football he must. We have an extremling exciting young team coming through now, one that is craving out for a manager with tactical know how. I feel keeping stan for the world Cup qualifiers could be disasterous to irish football and we will be doing well to be 4th seeds for the next Euro Qualifiers

[WembleyGreen]

I agree carloz, even in the unlikely event of us winning on weds stan has lost the majority of Irish fans and Delaney's position is also untenable as he was the one who appointed him. We need an experienced manager, someone who knows how put a plan together and who will not be afraid to drop the likes of O'Shea, Keane, McGeady and Kilbane although the latter didn't have a bad game in my view. Bizarre substitutions and an even more bizarre starting 11. If he is still in charge for the world cup we will be in deep trouble it's not about qualyifying any more it's about finishing at least 3rd in the group because we slip any further in the seedings we will find ourselves in groups like Scotland's Euro group.

[backstothewall]

I would like to see Paul Jewell get it, he has exactly the sort of experience of getting exceptional performances out of journeyman players, and of achieving the impossible, that we need.

[Donadoni]

A very premature and very optimistic thread, my two nominees for Staunton's successor, assuming they could just walk out of their current contracts

Number one; Roy Hodgson. If Finland don't manage to qualify could he be tempted to Dublin? There's a good profile on uefa, here's the link.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/teams/team=42/kindstatic=1/index.html

Number two; Bora Milutinovic. Currently coaching Jamaica, I think. Probably the most adaptable international coach of all time, no language problems. And has had success with 'unfancied' teams.

Thoughts?

[NeilMcD]

I woudl prefer Leo Beenhakker in there but yeah I like your line of thinking to be honest. We need someone who is an expert a international football and who speaks English.

[SkStu]

We need someone who is an expert a international football and who speaks English.

neither of which the present incumbent can claim to do. ;)

id like Beenhakker or Hodgson. But would they even want to put up with the irish tabloid wannabe-english media bullsh1t?

[bellavistaman]

Hendo.

[stojkovic]

Hiddink, full stop.

Or if the FAI win the EuroMillions on wednesday then we should get The Special One.

[CollegeTillIDie]

stojkovic

What about Milutinovic?

[craig7042]

A very premature and very optimistic thread, my two nominees for Staunton's successor, assuming they could just walk out of their current contracts

Number one; Roy Hodgson. If Finland don't manage to qualify could he be tempted to Dublin? There's a good profile on uefa, here's the link.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/teams/team=42/kindstatic=1/index.html

Number two; Bora Milutinovic. Currently coaching Jamaica, I think. Probably the most adaptable international coach of all time, no language problems. And has had success with 'unfancied' teams.

Thoughts?

You have got to be joking?! Let me just say I support Stan. Always have, but if he goes it has to be a top manager who replaces him.

Stan is on the second rung in terms of managerial candidates. I'd put him similar to McCarthy,Kerr, Aldridge,Robson,Mclaren,Toshack,O'Leary.....Hodgso n.....!
There is absolutely NO POINT in even suggesting anyone from the same level if Stan goes....

It has to be a manager from the top rung or it will not work. Its a no-brainer. The media and so called fans will mutilate anyone who is not top-brass... Maybe Souness...?

[SkStu]

You have got to be joking?! Let me just say I support Stan. Always have, but if he goes it has to be a top manager who replaces him.

Stan is on the second rung in terms of managerial candidates. I'd put him similar to McCarthy,Kerr, Aldridge,Robson,Mclaren,Toshack,O'Leary.....Hodgso n.....!
There is absolutely NO POINT in even suggesting anyone from the same level if Stan goes....

It has to be a manager from the top rung or it will not work. Its a no-brainer. The media and so called fans will mutilate anyone who is not top-brass... Maybe Souness...?

surely a wind up?? What has Souness done to elevate his status to "the top rung"? Bizarre.

[ShamrockIreland]

After the Cyprus game he should have been axed and in all my years watching Ireland I've never felt so disgusted. I felt no pain in the draw and defeat recently as I'm beyond it with clueless in charge.

[Armando]

A very premature and very optimistic thread, my two nominees for Staunton's successor, assuming they could just walk out of their current contracts

Number one; Roy Hodgson. If Finland don't manage to qualify could he be tempted to Dublin? There's a good profile on uefa, here's the link.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/teams/team=42/kindstatic=1/index.html

Number two; Bora Milutinovic. Currently coaching Jamaica, I think. Probably the most adaptable international coach of all time, no language problems. And has had success with 'unfancied' teams.

Thoughts?

Agree 100% about Hodgson. He's an excellent coach and would be my number 1 choice too. I also think he would jump at the opportunity to manage Ireland

[stojkovic]

stojkovic

What about Milutinovic?

5 or 10 years ago maybe, but not now.

Remember him with Mexico in WC'86.

Hiddink would be my (affordable) choice.

[danonion]

You have got to be joking?! Let me just say I support Stan. Always have, but if he goes it has to be a top manager who replaces him.

Stan is on the second rung in terms of managerial candidates. I'd put him similar to McCarthy,Kerr, Aldridge,Robson,Mclaren,Toshack,O'Leary.....Hodgso n.....!
There is absolutely NO POINT in even suggesting anyone from the same level if Stan goes....

It has to be a manager from the top rung or it will not work. Its a no-brainer. The media and so called fans will mutilate anyone who is not top-brass... Maybe Souness...?

WUM?? Stan in same bracket as McCarthy? Souness in higher bracket than McCarthy? You must be having a laugh

[theworm2345]

Multinovic has been ****e for Jamaica, they've been doing horrible. They went on a tour of the middle east and got crushed in each game (Caribbean Cup too). I think their problem might be that the have players like Michael Johnson, Darren Moore, Trevor Benjamin, Ricardo Fuller, Claude Davis. Luton Shelton, Darren Byfield, etc., etc., etc., in England and I don't think any of them are playing. Even then that is partly the coaches responsibility to get those players in

[Billsthoughts]

I would go for Mourhinho. Its not like he needs the money? It would be handy two years for him getting us to the WC and then he can go back to England and manage a proper team. Its not like he likes good footballers anyway so our lack of same wont bother him. He wont be afraid to stand up to underperforming senior players / FAI. His ego might like the idea of turning Ireland around and doing well at the WC finals. Jose is made to manage Ireland!

[Macy]

Someone World Class from Delaney.... McAteer.

[SUB of the day]

Someone World Class from Delaney.... McAteer.
The really sad thing is , not even this scenario would surprise me.BTW , Stan on the second rung???? bloody short ladder!

[bennocelt]

I woudl prefer Leo Beenhakker in there but yeah I like your line of thinking to be honest. We need someone who is an expert a international football and who speaks English.


yeah likewise, Leo and Roy or Bora, thats not a bad trio of options

i was in China when Bora was working his magic, he was like a god out there, but he did a lot of good work in China and the people were very grateful for it

[macdermesser]

I would go for Mourhinho. Its not like he needs the money? It would be handy two years for him getting us to the WC and then he can go back to England and manage a proper team. Its not like he likes good footballers anyway so our lack of same wont bother him. He wont be afraid to stand up to underperforming senior players / FAI. His ego might like the idea of turning Ireland around and doing well at the WC finals. Jose is made to manage Ireland!

I actually love that about our country .. our sense of our own importance. Similar to the debate about Hiddink or O'Neill last time round.

Mourhinho and Ireland .. hehe .. good one.

[Billsthoughts]

it was a wee bit tongue in cheek....:)

[Bungle]

I actually love that about our country .. our sense of our own importance. Similar to the debate about Hiddink or O'Neill last time round.

Mourhinho and Ireland .. hehe .. good one.


And thats one thing I hate about Ireland; our sense of not believing that we belong up there. It really ****s me off no end. You don't see the Russians, Greeks or Poles having that kind of attitude when they get top class managers. FFS Trinidad and Tobago had a world class manager at the last world cup.

Ireland are not Brazil or Italy. What we are though is a country that should be competing for qualification for tournaments, in the same way Poland and Russia and all the other second/third tier teams do.

[Dr. Ogba]

Who was the German manager of Greece when they won the Euro's? Was that Beenhakker? I've the bloody memory of a goldfish....

[Lionel Ritchie]

I'm surely only repeating the obvious when I say the salary for managing the Irish senior team isn't unattractive by international football standards. Sure it isn't what the English pay for all the bull that goes with managing their team but the chap who's Czech side had no difficulty dispatching us a couple of weeks back is reputedly on half of what Stan gets. Lawrie Sanchez was on a third of it.

[osarusan]

Stan is on the second rung in terms of managerial candidates. I'd put him similar to McCarthy,Kerr, Aldridge,Robson,Mclaren,Toshack,O'Leary.....Hodgso n.....!


On what criteria do you base that statement?

Toshack won the Spanish league.

Hodgson qualified the Swiss for an World Cup and a European Championships.

[macdermesser]

And thats one thing I hate about Ireland; our sense of not believing that we belong up there. It really ****s me off no end. You don't see the Russians, Greeks or Poles having that kind of attitude when they get top class managers. FFS Trinidad and Tobago had a world class manager at the last world cup.

Ireland are not Brazil or Italy. What we are though is a country that should be competing for qualification for tournaments, in the same way Poland and Russia and all the other second/third tier teams do.

Didn't think I had to spell it out but there was no way in hell that Martin O'Neill was going to take the Irish job at this stage of his career after the success at Celtic .. and there was no way that Hiddink was going to take the Irish job either. Same as Roy Keane is not going to take the Irish job anytime soon.

So in that case, the only viable candidates are ex players, has-been ex-English club managers, a mercenary type (e.g. the world class manager Trinidad manager .. Troussier .. Osim, Baric, Hodgson etc) or some young manager getting his first job a la Stan.

Stating the obvious of course. Not putting us down, but trying to be realistic. Agree that we should be looking for a world class candidate from the realistic choices available to us.

anyway, fairly pointless debate as Stan is going to be manager at the end of this campaign

[osarusan]

a mercenary type (e.g. the world class manager Trinidad manager .. Troussier .. Osim, Baric, Hodgson etc) or some young manager getting his first job a la Stan.


Troussier is a poor manager. He should have done better with Japan in 2002, and hasn't done much since.

[macdermesser]

Troussier is a poor manager. He should have done better with Japan in 2002, and hasn't done much since.

I agree totally .. didn't want him when his name was thrown around post Mc Carthy. Just examples of the same old names that keep appearing e.g Wim Jansen

[lionelhutz]

You have got to be joking?! Let me just say I support Stan. Always have, but if he goes it has to be a top manager who replaces him.

Stan is on the second rung in terms of managerial candidates. I'd put him similar to McCarthy,Kerr, Aldridge,Robson,Mclaren,Toshack,O'Leary.....Hodgso n.....!
There is absolutely NO POINT in even suggesting anyone from the same level if Stan goes....

It has to be a manager from the top rung or it will not work. Its a no-brainer. The media and so called fans will mutilate anyone who is not top-brass... Maybe Souness...?

You're completely taking the mick aren't you? Stan is on the lowest possible 'rung' of managerial candidates. A blind dog with rabies would have more vision and better communication skills than stan

[NeilMcD]

I wouldlike a blind dog with rabies as our next manager but it wont be able to turn up for home games as there is a ban on animals with rabies entering Ireland.

[NeilMcD]

You have got to be joking?! Let me just say I support Stan. Always have, but if he goes it has to be a top manager who replaces him.

Stan is on the second rung in terms of managerial candidates. I'd put him similar to McCarthy,Kerr, Aldridge,Robson,Mclaren,Toshack,O'Leary.....Hodgso n.....!
There is absolutely NO POINT in even suggesting anyone from the same level if Stan goes....

It has to be a manager from the top rung or it will not work. Its a no-brainer. The media and so called fans will mutilate anyone who is not top-brass... Maybe Souness...?

YOu have to be having a laugh. You really must be. How could Staunton be on the same Rung as Toshack. He is not even on the same ladder. Please tell me you are joking.

[billybunter]

YOu have to be having a laugh. You really must be. How could Staunton be on the same Rung as Toshack. He is not even on the same ladder. Please tell me you are joking.

he's not even on the same construction site for christ's sake......

[SkStu]

he's not even on the same construction site for christ's sake......

theyre both fond of a breakfast roll though.

[Wolfie]

A blind dog with rabies would have more vision and better communication skills than stan

Macul is consulting his legal team.

[Billsthoughts]

I wouldlike a blind dog with rabies as our next manager but it wont be able to turn up for home games as there is a ban on animals with rabies entering Ireland.

good man neil....always taking the practicalities into account....

[backstothewall]

So in that case, the only viable candidates are ex players, has-been ex-English club managers, a mercenary type (e.g. the world class manager Trinidad manager .. Troussier .. Osim, Baric, Hodgson etc) or some young manager getting his first job a la Stan.

I remember an Irish side appointing a has been Ex-England club manager. Lawrie Sanchez was his name. If Fulham give him the boot we could do worse

[DmanDmythDledge]

Who was the German manager of Greece when they won the Euro's? Was that Beenhakker? I've the bloody memory of a goldfish....
Otto Rehhagel. Still manager of Greece. Likes playing a big man upfront and isn't a fan of using young players.