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So your a gangster billionaire from thailand/russia/ballymun and your looking to buy an EL club and get them to 20 coefficent points (for the UCD fans) or into CL groups or Uefa groups regularly.
What club would you buy?
You will need a 20k all seater and room for decent facilities.
Drogs already bought.
Rovers when they go to tallaght city, good prospect, fans could be a problem
Pats already bought.
Bohs Fans would be the problem also.
Cork Republic another good prospect.
Sligo why?
Derry another good prospect, decent city.
UCD no point
Galway another good prospect
Bray dunno not really a good prospect, ground options.
Waterford another possible.
Longford also could be decent prospect.
I would go with Rovers or Cork possibilities of creating something huge are endless there.
kdjac
I'd obviosly buy Derry because I support them and they are the only team i'd want to take to the top, but if I wasnt able to buy them Dundalk would be my choice. A good club with a big support, a sleeping giant waiting to be woken IMO.
We're already bought and according to the new owners those are the plans, as well as building up the 'Rebel Army' brand hugely.
They're not Russian gangsters, and the stadium they want will be 28,000-30,000(currently looking for a site, but they could very well be full of crap.
We'll just have to wait and see. If Tynan is telling the truth we're laughing :cool:
currently looking for a site
We'll just have to wait and see. If Tynan is telling the truth we're laughing :cool:
http://www.shelbournedevelopment.com/property.php?id=28
We already have ours but sssshhhh its a secret :D
Mad tho when kabillionaires take you over, at least you know when they put in more money then they can get back from any land sale they telling truth or not very good land developers.
kdjac
http://www.shelbournedevelopment.com/property.php?id=28
We already have ours but sssshhhh its a secret :D
Mad tho when kabillionaires take you over, at least you know when they put in more money then they can get back from any land sale they telling truth or not very good land developers.
kdjac
The weird thing is ours arent mad kabillionaires as such. It's an investment company which makes it all the stranger. We'll just have to wait, see and hope now
sligoman
05/09/2007, 8:37 PM
and the stadium they want will be 28,000-30,000You serious?:eek: Hope they don't get it cos ye'd never fill that. Would make yer ground dead.
You serious?:eek: Hope they don't get it cos ye'd never fill that. Would make yer ground dead.
Yeah apparently it's the most cost effective to build. The best part is he expects to be getting close to filling it :D
You serious?:eek: Hope they don't get it cos ye'd never fill that. Would make yer ground dead.
If (oh god ) Dolan was still there i would imagine that Turners Cross would be bulging every week. Rico is a good manager but your dealing with an entire country of Cork people with an inferiority complex, Dolan tapped into that and if he had more time he would get at east 15k into any ground vs UCD.
RRS isnt enough for Dolan they guy knows how to get bums on seats. And it being Cork "they all hate us" is just the perfect platform for him.
kdjac
Saint MacDara
05/09/2007, 8:51 PM
Buy Linfield and get UEFA clearance to move them (not physically,they can stay in Windsor Park) into the L.O.I to finally solve the question of which is the better league :cool:
LeixlipRed
05/09/2007, 8:53 PM
http://www.shelbournedevelopment.com/property.php?id=28
We already have ours but sssshhhh its a secret :D
5 minutes walk from my house. I know where i'll be taking my morning leak in a few years anyway :D
5 minutes walk from my house. I know where i'll be taking my morning leak in a few years anyway :D
Your already barred :eek:
kdjac
biscuit
05/09/2007, 9:18 PM
why not sligo?? growing population, decent fanbase with big potential, always get decent media coverage and crying out for things to be done right for years...that would be my pick anyway, however biased it is.
BohsPartisan
05/09/2007, 9:20 PM
Theoretically if the tooth fairy left it under my pillow I'd invest in Bohs. I wouldn't want any return or to be owner.
Theoretically if the tooth fairy left it under my pillow I'd invest in Bohs. I wouldn't want any return or to be owner.
Garret Kelliher offered the same package to Bohs before turning to Pats, as i said the fans are the problem/solution there.
Shockingly if your fans/board had of said yes you would still be playing Dalymount not be local rivals with drogs.
kdjac
sonofstan
05/09/2007, 9:37 PM
If people are going to post to this, they should be barred from buying their own club; on that basis, i think I'd buy Glentoran. Linfield have been in a comfort zone for too long, happy enough to win the league nearly every year and do well in the Setanta -enjoying being the bigger of the two big fishes in a small pond. Glens on the other hand know they're not living up to their potential and would be easier to turn around. They have decent support already and a huge potential hinterland; everywhere east of the Lagan is theirs if they want it. I'd try and keep them in or near the Oval, but build a really decent stadium, turn pro and get serious about Europe. The effect should wake up Linfield and possibly Ports and Cliftonville, and, with a bit of luck start a push towards an All Ireland league from the north rather than the republic as the thrill of playing Limavady in front of a few hundred starts to wear off.
SligoBrewer
05/09/2007, 9:39 PM
id buy bohs and sack sean connor.
then sell everything including their new stadium and buy a really big club.. probably cork
Student Mullet
05/09/2007, 9:48 PM
Garret Kelliher offered the same package to Bohs before turning to Pats, as i said the fans are the problem/solution there.
Shockingly if your fans/board had of said yes you would still be playing Dalymount not be local rivals with drogs.
kdjac
Funny how he only wants to invest in clubs sitting on valuable land.
KoemansCC
05/09/2007, 9:48 PM
If I won the lotto, I'd never buy any club...FFS a €500,000 input would sort out every EL club every year...if it did happen I'd like to see it come through a supporters trust, the guys who promote the club and fund raise every week...(obviously not €500,000, but a couple of grand a week would be a start)...
Anyone who pumps money into a club from the top down is only looking for the applause that comes with it in the short term, and as history has proven so far, some clubs would have been better without:rolleyes:...
Funny how he only wants to invest in clubs sitting on valuable land.
Funny how spending more than its worth makes sense.........
/awaits UCD fans to show spending 20 million on a piece of land worth 10 million is good sense from an accountancy POV.
kdjac
superfrank
05/09/2007, 9:52 PM
What a sad post SB.
I'd personally invest in one of the smaller clubs, perhaps Monaghan or Kilkenny. That way I could make my own history with them. They both have decent populations countywise and, for God's sake, the Kilkenny hurlers are just boring at this stage. I see them as clubs with big potential.
Anyone who pumps money into a club from the top down is only looking for the applause that comes with it in the short term, and as history has proven so far, some clubs would have been better without:rolleyes:...
ironic how in our league.......actually any top league .....thats how clubs become successful.
I actually fail to see your point in anyway, EL clubs will not survive without massive investment, there is no payday for anyone involved with EL clubs (maybe drogs if they get drogland) but other than that owning a EL club will not make you richer, it will not make you money or adoration from barstoolers.
I fail to see where the "applause" comes from and whats clubs would be better off without it? Shels ...yeah lets ask shels fans how they coped over the last 8 years playing good ball and winning ****.....
kdjac
Student Mullet
05/09/2007, 10:00 PM
Funny how spending more than its worth makes sense.........
/awaits UCD fans to show spending 20 million on a piece of land worth 10 million is good sense from an accountancy POV.
kdjac
That was a bloody expensive temporary stand yee had.
kdjaC
05/09/2007, 10:05 PM
That was a bloody expensive temporary stand yee had.
Exactly why spend money where its not needed, good job those degrees are serving you well.
Fill the ground and we will build more the type of owner statement any fan can relate too.
kdjac
Student Mullet
05/09/2007, 10:06 PM
Exactly why spend money where its not needed, good job those degrees are serving you well.
Fill the ground and we will build more the type of owner statement any fan can relate too.
kdjac
So where did he spend the 20 million?
Also, most Cork fans have trouble with the statement 'Fill the ground and we will build more'.
SligoBrewer
05/09/2007, 10:10 PM
What a sad post SB.
im sorry superfrank.. had to be bitter at least once in 30 days..
anyways..on a serious note, i'd take kildare county and make it a success
sligoman
05/09/2007, 10:12 PM
Longford Town and then make Ian Wexler player/manager. I'd change the signs around so that Section O became Section R...just to confuse the Section O fellas:D
KoemansCC
05/09/2007, 10:13 PM
.....thats how clubs become successful.
kdjac
Thats how some clubs gauge success...become huge overnight and disappear again with the investors having their day in the sun and moving on to their next toy, but there have been numerous 'big' clubs that have never taken on investors that have always had some success...the investors win in the short term , the fans lose in the long term...the English model being the example in the last 5-10 years...
My main argument is that investment has to come from the bottom up, although that may never happen in an ideal world...
dcfcsteve
05/09/2007, 10:40 PM
Buy Linfield and get UEFA clearance to move them (not physically,they can stay in Windsor Park) into the L.O.I to finally solve the question of which is the better league :cool:
This mis-issue always comes up.
You don't need UEFA permission to play in a different league. If the LOI voted to accept Linfield as a member they'd be legally entitled to play in the EL under EU Competition and Restraint of Trade policies. The IFA could do nought to stop them...
dcfcsteve
05/09/2007, 10:44 PM
I'd personally invest in one of the smaller clubs, perhaps Monaghan or Kilkenny. That way I could make my own history with them.
Interesting angle SF. Much easier to leave a legacy at one of those clubs than someone a lot bigger.
But a bit like Gretna - there's a reason why small clubs from small towns stay small. As soon as the sugar daddy goes - which they all eventually do - such smaller clubs slide back to their natural place again in the food chain. There is a clear correlation between population and club success in football leagues throughout Europe.
dcfcsteve
05/09/2007, 10:48 PM
If you were investing in a club to take them places and maximise your return, then it would be pointless looking outside Dublin - purely on the basis of population.
If you wanted to hedge your bets and maximise your short-to-medium term income, you'd have to looik at Cork or Derry. It'd be very difficult to attract consistent support in Dublin without really making a regular impact in Europe. Cork and Derry get good crowds with less effort, so would be safer. But they don't offer the potential you have in Dublin.
A Dublin club = maximum risk, but maximum potential return
Cork/Derry = lower risk, but lower potential return.
BohsPartisan
05/09/2007, 10:54 PM
Garret Kelliher offered the same package to Bohs before turning to Pats, as i said the fans are the problem/solution there.
Shockingly if your fans/board had of said yes you would still be playing Dalymount not be local rivals with drogs.
kdjac
Surely not! That lifelong Pats fan?
Anyway thats what I'd do. If I ever had serious money, which is fantasy anyway. But lets face it whats the point in having money if you can't use it on something you love. So yeah, I'd blow it on making movies, getting Bohs into the champions' league and furthering the cause of Socialism.
If you go down the further fantasy route of Bohs refusing free money with no strings attached from one of their own well I'd not spend it on a football club. Perhaps if Bohs did not exist - I'd spend it on my home town LSL side Parkvilla and turn them into an EL side.
bad mongo
05/09/2007, 10:55 PM
Garret Kelliher offered the same package to Bohs before turning to Pats, as i said the fans are the problem/solution there.
Shockingly if your fans/board had of said yes you would still be playing Dalymount not be local rivals with drogs.
kdjac
er, you seem to have some difficulty grasping the basics of a members owned club. The fact that BFC cannot be bought is both its strength and weakness I agree. I notice the ever so altruistic mr. Kelleher didn't offer to stand for President of the club, following the established channels and try influence the constitution of the club via his zillions -as is the norm in Iberian football.
jaysus does the fact that those seats were ripped out of Richer like a hot snot not give even the most cynical of Pats fans the hee bee gee bees?
Richer is unviable as it stands as even a 5k comfortable all seater stadia no matter what way you slice it. You need Mr Kellehers warehouses next door knocked to build a realigned stadium of any merit or you will be shunted out via the softest of soft shoe shuffles by your (admittedly semi-malign) benefactor.
To answer your question if I won the lotto I would follow Stan's model and purchase either Glentoran or Derry if I was so inclined for the reasons outlined previously
Funny how spending more than its worth makes sense.........
/awaits UCD fans to show spending 20 million on a piece of land worth 10 million is good sense from an accountancy POV.
kdjac
UCD Fans or UCD Fan;)
pateen
06/09/2007, 9:43 AM
They're not Russian gangsters, and the stadium they want will be 28,000-30,000(currently looking for a site, but they could very well be full of crap.
We'll just have to wait and see. If Tynan is telling the truth we're laughing :cool:
Are your sure Micls?
I thought Tynan said at the meeting that he planned a 20000 stadium. Anything bigger would be to difficult to manage.
Teams I'd go for if I was neutral would be Cork, Derry, Bohs Or Rovers. They all have the sleeping fan base as well as there regular fan base.
I think Longford and UCD are two teams that have never had and still dont have a good fan base
LOL @ Bohs sleeping fanbase. Ask anybody who watched LOI footy in the 60s & 70s and he’ll tell you Bohs were always the poorest supported side in Dublin. It was only Dalymount and countless re-elections to the league that got them any notice.
If any Irish club is to grow into any (relative) european force, it will be a Dublin side. We're the nly city big enough to sustain any decent sized bandwagon.
Da Real Rover
06/09/2007, 9:58 AM
You will need a 20k all seater and room for decent facilities.
Drogs already bought.
Rovers when they go to tallaght city, good prospect, fans could be a problem
Pats already bought.
Bohs Fans would be the problem also.
Cork Republic another good prospect.
Sligo why?
Derry another good prospect, decent city.
UCD no point
Galway another good prospect
Bray dunno not really a good prospect, ground options.
Waterford another possible.
Longford also could be decent prospect.
I would go with Rovers or Cork possibilities of creating something huge are endless there.
kdjac
Really showing off your knowledge there, as provincial clubs go we have one of the largest dormant support bases. All you need to see this is a good cup run or some success. ie when we got promoted against Athlone, sell out crowd.
With obvious bias I would invest in Rovers, but if I wasnt a Rovers fan I would buy either Dundalk or Athlone. Massive dormant support bases with real history and heritage.
Dodge
06/09/2007, 10:01 AM
With obvious bias I would invest in Rovers, but if I wasnt a Rovers fan I would buy either Dundalk or Athlone. Massive dormant support bases with real history and heritage.
Massive? If kdjac's talking about regularly getting into Cl group stages. You'd need crowds of 20K/30K. Or twice what a town like Sligo has in total
endabob1
06/09/2007, 10:31 AM
Personal Bias would be Athlone Town, as said elsewhere a 1st division club would be less risk and building them up would be part of the fun, besides Athlone has a long proud football tradition in the town and with the College would be able to sustain decent gates. I'd even give the stadium a proper name!
From an investment point of view it has to be one of the Dublin clubs, Rovers potentially would be the team, huge catchment area once the Tallagh stadium move comes off.
Outside of Dublin, Cork & Galway would be good investments as clubs with a good infrastructure already in place.
SunderlandBohs
06/09/2007, 10:35 AM
I'd buy Glebe North AFC. Turn the Maket Green into a 10,000 all seater & build a state-otf the-art training complex on Bremore. First we'll get elected to the league, get promoted to the premier & within 5 years get some silverware in the cabinet & bring big European matches to Balbriggan. Glebe North v AC Milan live from the Market Green Stadium has a nice ring to it!
Da Real Rover
06/09/2007, 10:40 AM
Massive? If kdjac's talking about regularly getting into Cl group stages. You'd need crowds of 20K/30K. Or twice what a town like Sligo has in total
Sligo isnt big but its not half of 20k/30k, its actually about 25k. Anyway thats irrelevant Villareal in spain have all shown us that a small town can sustain a La Liga club and get into europe, so its not impossible. Plus Rovers have a large catchment area, not just the town, but also the county, north mayo, roscommon and leitrim. Sure the last time we got into europe we had a crowd of about 12000, not bad.
btid1
06/09/2007, 11:10 AM
I'd even give the stadium a proper name!
I believe the naming rights for the stadium are available for purchase but serious companies dont see it as a viable commercial opportunity!!
endabob1
06/09/2007, 11:36 AM
If I had the cash BTID I'd name it after one of the Athlone Town greats (probably Turlough O'Connor) or simply call it the New Mels Park and name the stands (I'd have the cash to finish the job) after former greats and 1 after myself of course :D
NavanBohs
06/09/2007, 11:38 AM
If I had the cash BTID I'd name it after one of the Athlone Town greats (probably Turlough O'Connor) or simply call it the New Mels Park and name the stands (I'd have the cash to finish the job) after former greats and 1 after myself of course :D
The endabob1 Stand?
pateen
06/09/2007, 11:45 AM
The endabob1 Stand?
Would that me the prawn cracker stand :D
Pablo
06/09/2007, 11:50 AM
We're already bought and according to the new owners those are the plans, as well as building up the 'Rebel Army' brand hugely.
They're not Russian gangsters, and the stadium they want will be 28,000-30,000(currently looking for a site, but they could very well be full of crap.
We'll just have to wait and see. If Tynan is telling the truth we're laughing :cool:
What are the odds we'll end up back in a redeveloped Bishopstown.....
The figure of €30-35 million Euro of an investment nearly made me choke when he said it at the fans forum.
The off season will show us how serious they are as regards transfers
endabob1
06/09/2007, 12:37 PM
The endabob1 Stand?
Correction "The Legendary Endabob1 Stand" :cool:
:D
bigmac
06/09/2007, 3:01 PM
Interesting thoughts, and if I won the euro-millions I'd definitely buy Waterford - put an initial investment into a ground and enough facilites to keep the club self sustaining - gym, astro-pitches etc..
If you can't buy your own club, then it'd have to be Cork. Captive audience of over 100K (Cobh not really serious competitor in that vein) in the city alone. Milk the inferiority complex and rebel ****e for all it's worth and it'd be a definite contendor to build up a club.
In general I'd tend to pick a club outside of Dublin that didn't have any competition for a fanbase (although there theoretically are enough to go around in Dublin as well.)
As a few others said Dublin is necessary for the potential fanbase but the problem in Dublin is lack of interest in Irish football. You would need to start a new club to attract new fans. Only Cork, Derry & Sligo have enough population combined with track record in football.
The recent takeover of Cork City is interesting as it does seem to be investment & not a hobby for local rich businessmen which is possibly an eL first. The mention of 25-28k stadium was a surprise but apparently this has been investigated for the last 6-12 months already.
Are your sure Micls?
I thought Tynan said at the meeting that he planned a 20000 stadium. Anything bigger would be to difficult to manage.
Certain :). It was after he mentioned the 35-40 million I stopped being able to hear properly :D
The whole rooms mouths dropped, as he carried on speaking. Til someone called him back to repeat the figure......his response was 'HOw much do you think it woill cost to build a state of the art stadium?'
Sniffer
06/09/2007, 6:18 PM
As a few others said Dublin is necessary for the potential fanbase but the problem in Dublin is lack of interest in Irish football. You would need to start a new club to attract new fans. Only Cork, Derry & Sligo have enough population combined with track record in football.
The recent takeover of Cork City is interesting as it does seem to be investment & not a hobby for local rich businessmen which is possibly an eL first. The mention of 25-28k stadium was a surprise but apparently this has been investigated for the last 6-12 months already.
Maybe call them Dublin City, tap into the whole Viking thing; a surefire winner.:)
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