eL Anniversaries

[A face]

I was just looking at eL Anniversaries to see if any clubs share a year, something like a 25th, 50th and 75th. I was looking at 2009 for Citys 25th but nothing crops up.

I'll stick them up any way

Athlone Town ....1887...........122
Bohs ................1890...........119
Bray ................1922...........87
Cobh ...............1922...........87
Cork ................1984...........25
Derry................1928...........81
Drogs ...............1919...........90
Dundalk.........…..1912...........97
Finn Harps.......…1954...........55
Galway ............1937...........72
Kildare .........……2002...........7
Kilkenny......…....1966...........43
Limerick ...........1937...........72
Longford...........1924...........85
Mons................1976...........33
Rover............….1902...........107
Shels ..........…..1895...........114
Sligo................1928...........81
Pats ...............1929...........80
UCD.................1895...........114
Waterford ..…....1982...........27

Bray 90, Cobh 90, Dundalk 100, Rovers 110 and Waterford 40 in 2012 is the only obvious year.

Edit: Cork 30, Finn Harps 60 and Longford 90

[holidaysong]

Dundalk.........…..1912....

Should be 1903.

[A face]

Should be 1903.

Are you sure? I researched it fairly well at the time. With Dundalks history i'm surprised i got it wrong. Can i just ask where you are getting that year from?

[sligoman]

North West's 90th in 2016;).

[holidaysong]

Jim Murphy's 'A History of Dundalk FC - The First 100 Years.'

The club originally known as Dundalk GNR (as they were the club of the Great Northern Railway in the town) were founded in September 1903. They entered the Free State League in 1926 only being renamed as Dundalk FC in 1930. I can't quote exactly from the book as my copy is in Dublin but it is definitely 1903. Where did you get the other year from?

[Tis-smeee]

and waterford is 1930

[dcfcsteve]

I was just looking at eL Anniversaries to see if any clubs share a year, something like a 25th, 50th and 75th. I was looking at 2009 for Citys 25th but nothing crops up.



Foundation years may not be the best guide though.

Derry City were founded in 1928 - but began life in senior football a year later, which would give you an 80th anniversary in 2009.

Longford were founded in 1924 - so 2009 would be their 85th anniversary. They also joined the league the same year as Cork, so 2009 would be 25yrs in senior football for them as well.

Finally - don't forget that 2009 will also be the 20th anniversary of the only treble ever achieved in Irish club football........ :D

[Bluebeard]

No you are totally wrong that WFC you are WUFC

You of course would know better, being from Sligo:p

By this rational, Shamrock Rovers of today would be different to the Shamrock Rovers of four years ago, as would the Cork United side of the early 1980s be different from the Albert Rovers side of the late 1970s, and abroad, the current Leeds United then would be different to Leeds of the early John Charles era.

Similarly, it could be said, working on this rational that the MK Dons are more like the Wimbledon that won the English cup in 1988 than AFC Wimbledon. With us, all that changed was the name, and it is only in the past 10 years that anyone has ever started to dispute that.

[Jerry The Saint]

By this rational, Shamrock Rovers of today would be different to the Shamrock Rovers of four years ago

The way they go on, I think that's what we're supposed to believe. Still get to keep their trophies from before though (including Louis Kilcoyne's 4-in-a-row), which is nice.

[DvB]

The debate (and a heated one at that) as to the exact year Shamrock Rovers was founded is generally between 1899 or 1901, would love to know where the 1902 comes from?

Koh

[noby]

Would you like to enlighten us on this treble?

[Dodge]

The debate (and a heated one at that) as to the exact year Shamrock Rovers was founded is generally between 1899 or 1901, would love to know where the 1902 comes from?

As good a guess as any... ;)

Bluebeard, everyone acknowledges that there are connections between Waterford and Waterford Utd. But they are still a seperate club

[noby]

So how come Limerick 37 is 70 years old, according to Face's list?

Anyway the blues are either celebrating 25 years this year, or 75 years two years ago. The club recognised the latter.

[superfrank]

Bray...............1922...........87
Bray Wanderers in it's current guise are 1942. That could be the Unknowns you looked up.

[Dodge]

So how come Limerick 37 is 70 years old, according to Face's list?



LOL, didn't even see that. Nah, they're definitely only months old

[galwayhoop]

why are you doing all the figures in 2009???

by your dates Limerick and GUFC are 70 this year - although we would always date the club as 1977/78 i.e. the year of entry into the league

[GuisaSaigon]

by your dates Limerick and GUFC are 70 this year - although we would always date the club as 1977/78 i.e. the year of entry into the league
Galway Rovers were formed as a junior club in 1937 but only entered the LOI in '77

[don ramo]

ya but the club is still that old, doesnt matter when you entered the league cause the same club entered the league, it wasnt a reformed club or anything, rams will be 90 in 2012 althought there in the league not even 30 years, but have history back to 1922,
limerick 37 are just about 37 weeks old, this is the problem,with clubs going bust and being remade by another grounp of individuals, like cork city, hibs, celtis, limerick fc,37, trying to keep track culd be hard, even in some cases we never know a new club was formed, cause its so long ago, in rovers caes the club was bought by the fans so its the same club, its msut go bust and once you use a name you cant use it again, cork and limerick couldnt and i think they might run out of names at some stage:D

[Neish]

I was just looking at eL Anniversaries to see if any clubs share a year, something like a 25th, 50th and 75th. I was looking at 2009 for Citys 25th but nothing crops up.

I'll stick them up any way

Athlone Town ....1887...........122
Bohs ................1890...........119
Bray ................1922...........87
Cobh ...............1922...........87
Cork ................1984...........25
Derry................1928...........81
Drogs ...............1919...........90
Dundalk.........…..1912...........97
Finn Harps.......…1954...........55
Galway ............1937...........72
Kildare .........……2002...........7
Kilkenny......…....1966...........43
Limerick ...........1937...........72
Longford...........1924...........85
Mons................1976...........33
Rover............….1902...........107
Shels ..........…..1895...........114
Sligo................1928...........81
Pats ...............1929...........80
UCD.................1895...........114
Waterford ..…....1982...........27

Bray 90, Cobh 90, Dundalk 100, Rovers 110 and Waterford 40 in 2012 is the only obvious year.

Edit: Cork 30, Finn Harps 60 and Longford 90

What year you living in man?

[stann]

So how come Limerick 37 is 70 years old, according to Face's list?

Anti-Waterford bias? Surely not! ;) :D
While I'm all for considering L37 a continuation of the old club, it has a much smaller claim to be so than Waterford have, much smaller. Yet face blithely grants that claim and lessens us to 25 years old, so what other reason could it be?

I thought we made this clear in a different thread but obviously not. Waterford United is 77 years young this year, fact, end of.
I have a picture, for the last two years, commemorating the 75th anniversary. I've just checked, it's still there, I didn't dream it.

[galwayhoop]

Galway Rovers were formed as a junior club in 1937 but only entered the LOI in '77

i'm fully aware of this.

however when listing honours (not too much ink wasted on this list btw) or the age of the club i would always refer back to the entry season to the league.

if for some reason the club ever left the LoI and went back to junior then i would use the 1937 year to give it's age.!! :confused:

it makes sense to me :D

[A face]

What year you living in man?

Ok, now go back and read the post.

[pineapple stu]

Not true 1994 :) Rovers won the treble
And UCD in 1995.

First Division, First Division Shield and the Leinster Senior Cup. And in our centenary year too. :)

[BohsPartisan]

Athlone Town was not formed in 1887.
They count the formation of some Athlone district league as being the formation of their club.

[pineapple stu]

No you could not count that as it is only a regional competition not a national one Stu, i know this as a fact:cool:
Senior competition is the sole criterion here!

[BohsPartisan]

Try that again BP

Not trying anything. I know someone who has done extensive research on this. There was an article in our prgramme some years ago that Athlone got very upset about.

[pineapple stu]

Who's older then - Bohs or UCD?

Edit - actually, our first game was against youz. Bugger...

Edit edit - also, youz were founded in 1890. Mixing you up with Shels. :o

[JC_GUFC]

Finally - don't forget that 2009 will also be the 20th anniversary of the only treble ever achieved in Irish club football........ :D

Actually 75 years ago Rovers completed the treble, which they also managed in 1925 and 1964. Bohs also completed the treble in 1928.

Linfield have the world record for most trophies won in a season. They won the septuple in 1922!

[atfconline]

Athlone Town was not formed in 1887.
They count the formation of some Athlone district league as being the formation of their club.

"We are in a position to announce that O.R. Coote Esq., Larkfield is organising a club under Association rules and already a large number of young men of the town have become members, the annual subscription being five shillings."
Westmeath Independent, January 8th 1887

Do some better research. ;)

[superfrank]

Five shillings!!! Those were the days. I pay fifty euro for a Wicklow league side.

[Battery Rover]

Athlone Town was not formed in 1887.
They count the formation of some Athlone district league as being the formation of their club.


"We are in a position to announce that O.R. Coote Esq., Larkfield is organising a club under Association rules and already a large number of young men of the town have become members, the annual subscription being five shillings."
Westmeath Independent, January 8th 1887

Do some better research. ;)

We then played our first ever game vs Castlerea FC on the 9th February 1887 who were founded in 1882 by the same O.R. Coote. The match finished 0-0. Our first victory was on the 2nd March 1887 when we beat the local Royal Berkshire Regiment 1-0

[dcfcsteve]

That could be the Unknowns you looked up.

Who......? ;)

[dcfcsteve]

ya but the club is still that old, doesnt matter when you entered the league cause the same club entered the league, it wasnt a reformed club or anything, rams will be 90 in 2012 althought there in the league not even 30 years, but have history back to 1922,
limerick 37 are just about 37 weeks old, this is the problem,with clubs going bust and being remade by another grounp of individuals, like cork city, hibs, celtis, limerick fc,37, trying to keep track culd be hard, even in some cases we never know a new club was formed, cause its so long ago, in rovers caes the club was bought by the fans so its the same club, its msut go bust and once you use a name you cant use it again, cork and limerick couldnt and i think they might run out of names at some stage:D

Clubs as legal entities chop and change all the time, but often the players, fans, stadioum etc don't change.

I would therefore say the key determinant in whether a club should be considered 'new' or not is whether they kept their league place, or had to re-apply. Dublin City kept Home Farm's league placer - so despite what Ronan Seery might say, they were therefore the same club.

I'm not sure if Waterford had to seek re-admission when they changed their name in 1982, but I would doubt they did.

[galwayhoop]

Clubs as legal entities chop and change all the time, but often the players, fans, stadioum etc don't change.

I would therefore say the key determinant in whether a club should be considered 'new' or not is whether they kept their league place, or had to re-apply. Dublin City kept Home Farm's league placer - so despite what Ronan Seery might say, they were therefore the same club.

I'm not sure if Waterford had to seek re-admission when they changed their name in 1982, but I would doubt they did.

going by that then steve are you saying that L37 are only months old as they had to re-apply (iirc)???

[dcfcsteve]

going by that then steve are you saying that L37 are only months old as they had to re-apply (iirc)???

Yes. If a team has to apply from afresh for a league slot, how can they be considered the same entity as another team in the league that already had a league spot (unless that other team finished last in the First and needed re-election anyway) ? I'm talking footballing terms here, not legal ones (or even sentimental ones). The same team wouldn't need to apply for a league slot that it already has

L37 are definitely a new team - as the whole plan behind having them was to depose the other Limerick team that was going awry. Waterford, Galway Rovers, and Home Farm in its various guises (incl Dublin City) were just the same team in the same league slot, but with new names.

[BohsPartisan]

"We are in a position to announce that O.R. Coote Esq., Larkfield is organising a club under Association rules and already a large number of young men of the town have become members, the annual subscription being five shillings."
Westmeath Independent, January 8th 1887

Do some better research. ;)

Doesn't say the name of the club, the wherabouts of the club or anything like that. Thats like Liverpool saying they were formed in 1878 because Everton was formed that year.
That club was not Athlone Town FC any more than Cork City is a continuation of Cork Hibs.

[atfconline]

That was the foundation of Athlone Town Football Club, in 1887, and not a league as you originally suggested. Make up your mind which straw you want to clutch at.

[BohsPartisan]

That was the foundation of Athlone Town Football Club, in 1887, and not a league as you originally suggested. Make up your mind which straw you want to clutch at.

Where in your "evidence" does it say Athlone Town Football Club?

[atfconline]

Make up your mind first, you said we claim our origins from a local league.

[BohsPartisan]

Make up your mind first, you said we claim our origins from a local league.
Some district thing. I took it for league maybe he said district club, the article was a long time ago. It may be resurfacing soon though.

[atfconline]

Well I look forward to reading Bohs' vast research on the foundation of our Club.

Funny how you lot should care at all, but sure I'm sure you have your reasons.

[BohsPartisan]

Well I look forward to reading Bohs' vast research on the foundation of our Club.

Funny how you lot should care at all, but sure I'm sure you have your reasons.

The reason being that if you're formation date is false, it makes us the oldest club in the league.

[sligoman]

Our 80th is this year now.

[Mr_T]

Would you like to enlighten us on this treble?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Dont get them started. Ever hear of google or wikipedia!!!

[noby]

Yes I have, thank you.
A lot of posts have been deleted since this thread was originally started, mainly from Sligo users, and that's who I was directing my question. I'm well aware of Derry's treble, if that's what you're presuming I was asking.