Four eL players in the latest U-21 squad

[Poor Student]

http://www.irishfootballonline.com/news_story.php?newsid=7177

And what's that? Three of them are from UCD.;)

Ireland under-21 squad (to play Portugal)
Darren Randolph (Charlton Athletic)
Darren Quigley (University College Dublin)
Eddie Nolan (Blackburn Rovers)
Darren O'Dea (Glasgow Celtic)
Richard Keogh (Bristol City)
Darren Dennehy (Everton)
Stephen O'Halloran (Aston Villa)
Conor Powell (Bohemians)
Stephen Gleeson (Wolverhampton Wanderers)
Patrick Cregg (Falkirk)
Stephen Quinn (Sheffield United)
Shane McFaul (University College Dublin)
Michael Collins (Huddersfield Town)
Keith Treacy (Blackburn Rovers)
Adam Rooney (Stoke City)
James O'Brien (Glasgow Celtic)
Billy Clarke (Ipswich Town)
Conor Sammon (University College Dublin)

[Sam_Heggy]

only a matter of time before a young Mr.Coleman makes that squad. Lets hope he can achive this in LOI. More the merrier.

[SligoBrewer]

how is seamie not there :eek:

[Schumi]

how is seamie not there :eek:

He doesn't play for UCD?

[Tis-smeee]

Amazing all Dublin clubs,can givens find his way past the red cow

[Midgit]

Gary Curran not there.
But Seamus Coleman should have been in the squad.

[Dodge]

Despise this "should've been called up"

And 4 of the 18 man squad are based in Dublin so its obviously dublin biased

BTW Pats had 4 players in an u21 squad in 1998/99 (Morgan, Molloy, Hawkins and Doyle) Game was against Sweden.

[cheifo]

The fact that Garvan hasnt been included shows the blinkers are on even in Dublin.Coleman has been outstanding and deserves a call up IMO.
Anybody know what Colemans DOB is btw.

[Risteard]

Is this on in Turners Cross?
+ What date?

[DmanDmythDledge]

Anybody know what Colemans DOB is btw.
3/8/88.


Is this on in Turners Cross?
+ What date?
Yes, 7 September.

[Jerry The Saint]

Is this on in Turners Cross?
+ What date?


3/8/88.
Yes, 7 September.

Dublin bias strikes again. :mad:

[dcfcsteve]

Dublin bias strikes again. :mad:

I wouldn't read too much into team inclusions for this game lads. September is a key month for the league - any decent player for a team with League, Setanta or European ambitions wouldn't be allowed away to play for the U21's. No disrespect to UCD - but the fact they're happy to lose 3 players on the night they're due to play Cork says a lot about their ambitions this season.

On the night of that U21 game, Pats play City at the Brandywell and Bohs take on Rovers. Two massive fixtures for the league and the teams involved. Where would you rather see Pat's key players that night, for example - at the Brandywell or Turners Cross ?

What would be interesting would be to find out if any other EL clubs were approached for players to be included in the panel, and told the FAI no.

[Schumi]

No disrespect to UCD - but the fact they're happy to lose 3 players on the night they're due to play Cork says a lot about their ambitions this season.The Cork game will be postponed I assume.


What would be interesting would be to find out if any other EL clubs were approached for players to be included in the panel, and told the FAI no.Bohs have a player in the squad too, afaik Powell has played most of their games this year. I'm sure the reason you don't have any players in the squad is because you're too big and important though.

[LeixlipRed]

The importance of Derry is one of Steve's favourite subjects. And that Pats v City game is important Steve, Pats just have to be beating these mid table teams if they've any ambitions to still win the title :D

[dcfcsteve]

The Cork game will be postponed I assume.

The UCD website has you down to play Cork in the league at Turners Cross on Monday 10th September as well anyway. Another rescheduled game against Cork would be interesting.


Bohs have a player in the squad too, afaik Powell has played most of their games this year. I'm sure the reason you don't have any players in the squad is because you're too big and important though.

Very childish retort Schumi - I'd expect better from you. Especially as you know that we've been contributing regularly to the U21 panel for the last number of seasons (e.g. Deery). Bottom line is that a club taking the league seriously wouldn't want to lose 3 players at such an important juncture - rescheduling or not.

[dcfcsteve]

The importance of Derry is one of Steve's favourite subjects. And that Pats v City game is important Steve, Pats just have to be beating these mid table teams if they've any ambitions to still win the title :D

Errr - yes, they do actually. That's how football works.....

And all this from a Shels fan - the team who couldn't even beat a 9-man City team playing without it's proper keeper... :p

[LeixlipRed]

We beat you at not scoring penalties. Which is what football is all about. Well in some countries :D

[Dodge]

What would be interesting would be to find out if any other EL clubs were approached for players to be included in the panel, and told the FAI no.

Will never happen.

1) It s aqualifier so they must be released
2) Clubs don't want to **** off the FAI
3) Clubs don't want to **** off their players. And every LOI player wants to play internationally

[Schumi]

The UCD website has you down to play Cork in the league at Turners Cross on Monday 10th September as well anyway. Another rescheduled game against Cork would be interesting.Avoiding two games against Cork in four days would be a good thing in my book. Having two rescheduled games against one team is hardly unprecedented. Didn't Drogheda and Derry have two games postponed a couple of seasons ago?
Very childish retort Schumi - I'd expect better from you.:D

Dismissing us as an unambitious, small-time club for having three players in a international squad is a new level in fairness.

Especially as you know that we've been contributing regularly to the U21 panel for the last number of seasons (e.g. Deery).You weren't playing in the league when he was in the squad,then?

[dcfcsteve]

Didn't Drogheda and Derry have two games postponed a couple of seasons ago?:D

Yes - and it destroyed our season. As far as I'm aware, both clubs have to agree to a postponement (though the FAI might butt-in if it was for an international game).


Dismissing us as an unambitious, small-time club for having three players in a international squad is a new level in fairness.

You know well that that isn't what I'm saying here - and you know full well that surrendering 3 plasyers at such a key time in the league says a lot. What if Sammon got injured, for example? How worthwhile would it have been to let him go then?


You weren't playing in the league when he was in the squad,then?

We didn't have 3 players away at key times. We have also pulled players in the past from underage international duty (we have NI players as well) when it's been in our interests to do so. It's a huge honour for a player to represent their country, so no manager or club would want to deny them that opportunity. But if it is against your club's interests - and expecially if it could mean losing up to 25% of your frist team squad - you'd have to think twice about it. If you didn't think it would make that much difference to your team, then you'd roll with it.

[Dodge]

But if it is against your club's interests - and expecially if it could mean losing up to 25% of your frist team squad - you'd have to think twice about it. If you didn't think it would make that much difference to your team, then you'd roll with it.

If its a qualifier. You don't ahve any choice. If he's pulled from the squad, and subsequently plays for the club, the club will face sanctions.

UCD have no choice but to allow these players to go, and are rightly celebrating a nice achievement. Stop beinga begrudging old so and so steve and leave it be...

[monutdfc]

As far as I'm aware, both clubs have to agree to a postponement (though the FAI might butt-in if it was for an international game).

No, the rule was changed a few seasons ago - one player is enough now for the team affected to get the game postponed. (At least that was the rule under the old league. It might be different this year under the FAI league.)

[BrayUnknowns]

If a player is called up to an international squad then his team have the right to call a game off, the other team does not have a choice on the matter. with 3 players called up (fantastic achievement by the way, shows why UCD are propably the best youth set up in the country) the game will most certianly be called off.

[dcfcsteve]

If its a qualifier. You don't ahve any choice. If he's pulled from the squad, and subsequently plays for the club, the club will face sanctions.

UCD have no choice but to allow these players to go, and are rightly celebrating a nice achievement. Stop beinga begrudging old so and so steve and leave it be...

Well that's me told.......! :D

[Red&White Rover]

Seamie Coleman, should really be in the squad....

[Dodge]

Seamie Coleman, should really be in the squad....

Who's keeping him out and how often have you seen him play?

[razor]

A few Cork players for us locals to cheer but i've a feeling that the real Cork welcome will be saved for the manager. :D
Welcome to Cork Don.

[Red&White Rover]

Who's keeping him out and how often have you seen him play?

I don't care. He's playing week in week out for a team pushing for Europe, and playing exceptionally well.

[Dodge]

I don't care. He's playing week in week out for a team pushing for Europe, and playing exceptionally well.

So you don't know who's keeping him out of the squad (nor do you care) but you think Coleman is better than him? :rolleyes:

Typical of some around here...

[GreenStar]

Now I've got to say here, I've always been a big fan of Darren Quigley but he hasn't been playing regularly for UCD this season (afaik) and imo the best 2 goalkeepers in this country are Brian Murphy of Bohemians and Barry Murphy of Shamrock Rovers. In fact, at times it is difficult to seperate the 2. Brian Murphy is 24 (born 7 May 1983) and Barry Murphy has just turned 22 (born 8 June 1985), thus (I think) making him eligible for Under-21 football (although I do stand to be corrected on that). If, however Barry Murphy is eligible for the squad I can't understand how Quigley is in before him. For the record, Quigley was born 10 June 1986.

[Poor Student]

If, however Barry Murphy is eligible for the squad I can't understand how Quigley is in before him. For the record, Quigley was born 10 June 1986.

Quigley got his nose ahead of Barry Murphy in the first place by coming on the scene first and being the Premier last season. You'll notice that once one player gets blooded into the U-21s they tend to be stuck with. When Ireland played a meaningless game towards the end of one campaign with Switzerland Given still put Henderson in goal in spite of the fact that he was 22 and would never play again instead of giving Quigley his debut. Murphy will probably never be capped at U-21 level at this stage. Quigley is behind Randolph in the queue who just leapfrogged him after a few Conference games.

[Jerry The Saint]

every LOI player wants to play internationally

Except Graham Gartland. :p

[soccerc]

I don't care. He's playing week in week out for a team pushing for Europe, and playing exceptionally well.

Simply not good enough to ovetake the talent already ahead of him

[pineapple stu]

You know well that that isn't what I'm saying here - and you know full well that surrendering 3 plasyers at such a key time in the league says a lot.
So let me get this straight - "you know well that" you're not saying we're not ambitious, while in the next clause, you say that "surrendering 3 plasyers at such a key time in the league says a lot".

This thread is hilarious!

For the record, one player on U=21s duty is enough to get a game cancelled; we've invoked the rule before, and will certainly be invoking it for the Cork game.

[DmanDmythDledge]

What if Sammon got injured, for example? How worthwhile would it have been to let him go then?
Same amount of risk as him getting injured if he was playing for UCD.


We didn't have 3 players away at key times...But if it is against your club's interests - and expecially if it could mean losing up to 25% of your frist team squad - you'd have to think twice about it.
Neither do we, it's being postponed. And FFS 3 players 25%.:rolleyes:

[pineapple stu]

For God's sake, don't get into an argumetn with dcfcsteve - he'll tie you up in knots with his superior lo...

Actually, fire ahead. This could be funny.

[Student Mullet]

What if Sammon got injured, for example? How worthwhile would it have been to let him go then?No comment.

[pineapple stu]

I love the notion that we've only got 12 players.

[Student Mullet]

I love the notion that we've only got 12 players.You know, some teams don't even travel with a reserve 'keeper!

[pineapple stu]

You astound me. I thought the reason Derry lost the league last year was because of a Dublin conspiracy. Now you're telling me that if they had had a sub keeper in one game, they would be reigning league champions?

[Student Mullet]

You astound me. I thought the reason Derry lost the league last year was because of a Dublin conspiracy. Now you're telling me that if they had had a sub keeper in one game, they would be reigning league champions?You're extrapolating more than what I said. I happen to blame their double league defeats on their bothering to win the league cup.

[pineapple stu]

But dcfcsteve's crystal clear logic shows that postponing matches and getting a backlog is the cause of a title collapse. Now you say a League Cup run can do that too?

We're doubly screwed this year, so.

[Student Mullet]

But dcfcsteve's crystal clear logic shows that postponing matches and getting a backlog is the cause of a title collapse. Now you say a League Cup run can do that too?

We're doubly screwed this year, so.What was it Pete Mahon said on the topic? Something like, "I don't know why the so-called professional clubs are complaining, I have prefect faith in my players' abilities to play two matches in 4 days. If other clubs have trouble with it, they should look at their own training plans.". Or something like that.

He might have just been having a dig at Doolo though.

[pineapple stu]

This wasn't in an interview with TV3, by any chance?

I wouldn't take seriously anything he says to them, to be honest.

[dcfcsteve]

But dcfcsteve's crystal clear logic shows that postponing matches and getting a backlog is the cause of a title collapse. Now you say a League Cup run can do that too?

We're doubly screwed this year, so.

You have little to worry about re a UCD title run in any season.......

:D

[Poor Student]

This wasn't in an interview with TV3, by any chance?

I wouldn't take seriously anything he says to them, to be honest.

Certainly not while he adopts his McMahon wrestling persona live on TV.