McGee Out

[Needtoknow]

I have no problem with shouting at the manager to make changes or to sort it out even getting after the players to buck up. I don't think he has done a bad job considering where we are in the league. IMO people shouldn't be calling for his head and chants like you mentioned above are over the top as it ****ed the players off as well. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and that's mine!

[Battery Rover]

It takes somebody from Athlone to come on and talk some sense in this thread. Athlone! :eek:

Supporting my club 34 years and have seen all sorts going on. This season we had a manager that was liked by the players and when he went all the stories came out about lack of training etc. and the new manager we have isn't afraid to say what is wrong with the team to the press either unlike the previous encumbent whos story was we didn't get the run of the ball again. Bit late now in the season but the improvement can be seen the last two weeks.

[sadloserkid]

I don't think he has done a bad job considering where we are in the league.

I've not complained about results under Paul McGee, just the fact that he behaves like an infant craving attention on the sideline. This next point isn't aimed at you either Needtoknow but I find it hilarious that some people moan and whine that all this negative stuff on an internet forum is bad for the club's image have no problem whatsoever with our well-paid manager behaving like a circus act to impress I don't even know who.

And while we're trading stories about which player we talked to I spoke to one last week too who thinks that there was nothing wrong with anything any supporter said in Kilkenny. So it's good to know that they're not all hyper sensitive.

I'm delighted that we have a club this year. I respect that people have gotten involved and invested their time and effort and what have you. I don't think we're the greatest run club in the history of the world and I don't really expect us to be in our first year either. But the revisionism that a lot of new faces on here engage in is equal parts laughable and shambolic. Limerick 37 has very thin skin it seems. They will be waiting a very long time indeed if they want everybody to turn up in Jackman Park, join hands and sing something wonderful and uplifting like, "go team go!"

To drag this back on topic somewhat I see nothing to be gained by shoving Paul McGee out the door right now. I think as far as promotion goes, we've blown it anyway so we may as well plod on til seasons end and see if he can break the team out of their slump. If not show him the door. If he proves himself capable of getting the results out of this team that they should be capable of and promises to act in a professional manner, pay a little more attention to what's happening on the pitch and realises that shouting needlessly at officials, opposition players and his own only impresses the most pointless type of fan maybe he'll deserve another year.

[Needtoknow]

If he proves himself capable of getting the results out of this team that they should be capable of and promises to act in a professional manner, pay a little more attention to what's happening on the pitch and realises that shouting needlessly at officials, opposition players and his own only impresses the most pointless type of fan maybe he'll deserve another year.

Fair points, he should act in a more professional manner. I would like to give him the chance as we need some bit of stability if he can keep getting decent results, i would have him here next season.

[4tothefloor]

Why does it matter what you think?? You weren't even there
Haha, good man Tom. I don't have to be there to think that wanting McGee out is OTT. And if I was there I wouldn't have been dishing out abuse and acting like a loon. Oh and you should have said that to me too when you were texting me the other night, rather than digging here. I have a business to run on Saturdays so have other things to be doing with my time ;)



Felt the need to cry to you in Dublin but hadn't the guts to confront the "mystery fan" at the time
That's gas. So players are supposed to be 'big enough' to take criticism and not react one minute, but now to suit your arguement they should be confronting fans! :rolleyes: Oh and the 'mystery fan' is you, you were 'outed' at the meeting Thursday night by those who were present in Kilkenny.


You're all more than welcome to your little cowards club
Grow up Tom, if you were out of order, you were out of order and just accept it and move on.

Just to get a few points straight here. The player I spoke to was expressing his own personal opinion, he wasn't speaking for the whole squad. So it's quite possible that other players have no problem with what went on, although I seriously doubt it. I think there's a bit of PR work being done by a few supporters here over what happened...

I'd also like to ask, what was the idea behind taking down the flags after Limerick went 2-0 down? What kind of support is that? Did the people who decided to take down the flags represent the opinions of the whole Limerick contingent there? Doubt it :rolleyes: "You're not fit to wear the shirt" - what's that about? And regarding what you said to McGee Tom, well based on the vitriol of the first post in this thread, to be honest I'm finding it hard to believe that that's all you said.



Supressing the feelings of members of the supporters club does not work and any person trying to do this through censorship should just give up supporting soccer.
Where has anyone said on this thread that the Supporters Club is trying to suppress the feelings of members?

[KevB76]

I think as far as promotion goes, we've blown it anyway so we may as well plod on til seasons end .....

7 points off a playoff spot, with a game in hand, and over 1/4 season still to go, plenty to play for. The odds are against us but its within the bounds of possibilty. If they put everything into it and still finish fourth I've no complaints, but I cant accept a just plodding along type approach.

I hope thats not the vibe you were getting from the player you spoke to

[4tothefloor]

7 points off a playoff spot, with a game in hand, and over 1/4 season still to go, plenty to play for. The odds are against us but its within the bounds of possibilty. If they put everything into it and still finish fourth I've no complaints, but I cant accept a just plodding along type approach.

I hope thats not the vibe you were getting from the player you spoke to
I think 4th and a good run in the cup is more than acceptable for our first season, it's a pretty good season considering.

For what it's worth, I don't think the current squad is good enough to get out of this division. I think more than a few of our players a over-rated by our own fans. I didn't think the squad was good enough under O'Connor and I don't see much improvement really. Put John Gill in charge and they still wouldn't be good enough.

The core of the team has been together now long enough, yet they're achieving nothing. That tells a story. Unfortunately we do not have the money to bring in better players so we'll just have to battle on with what we've got, but I just don't get the expectancy from some fans that we should be going up, because I just don't see where they're coming from.

[Battery Rover]

Where has anyone said on this thread that the Supporters Club is trying to suppress the feelings of members?

I meant that in response to where you said there is a bit of PR work to be done after Kilkenny. Does that mean everytime someone calls for McGee out or your not fit to wear the shirt then there will be an apology?


No one can make rules as to what people chant unless it breaks ground regulations and from what I have read on here they haven't so there shouldn't be a PR issue

[KevB76]

... I just don't get the expectancy from some fans that we should be going up.....


To clarify my comment, I dont expect promotion, I expect that the players to do as well as they can, not plod along becasue they think its over already.

All my expectations have been surpassed already, which is why I'm not into all of this McGee out and getting on the players backs, but we are in touching distance of a playoff spot so I cant fathom where this plod along/seasons over attitude is coming from.

[Monkfish]

you were 'outed' at the meeting Thursday night by those who were present in Kilkenny.

By who? and to who? I was there and didnt hear his name mentioned, and why the need to be 'outed'? whatever of your opinion of what hes supposed to have done he hasent denied or tried to keep any of his 'actions' secret, now if the rumours of him skinning kittens and selling smack to the Kilkenny kids are true surely everyone from fans, players and officials will have already seen this and told 10 friends by now.

[KevB76]

I meant that in response to where you said there is a bit of PR work to be done after Kilkenny. Does that mean everytime someone calls for McGee out or your not fit to wear the shirt then there will be an apology?


No one can make rules as to what people chant unless it breaks ground regulations and from what I have read on here they haven't so there shouldn't be a PR issue

As well as the dedicated core of supporters who travel to most matches there are SC members of a different agegroups and backgrounds or whatever, who may not see it the same way as others. The atmosphere at Kilkenny was a very different beast to what we're used to and I gather one of the SC guys felt compelled to call several members to apologise over the goings on there. That I assume is what they're on about with the PR work.

Also, the parents (I think) of one of the players travelled to the match with us but didnt travel back, I dont know if this was pre-arranged but I have been told that this was because they werent comfortable due to the shenanigans after the game.

Also, a seat was acidentally broken by one of us, but coupled with the atmosphere and the antics, that sort of thing can look very different from other perspectives and is the sort of thing that could be exaggerated and give our SC and Limerick supporters in general a bad image.

Up to now Limerick has had absolutely no problems whatsoever with scumbags or schooligans or whatever you want to call them, but you get the likes of Kilkenny, add in the ****s throwing stuff after Douglas Hall scored lastnight, and before you know it we are all classed as scum (especially knowing how there are elements here that love to stir **** regarding L37).

[fire away]

here here they should be kicked out
of the sc

[see's it]

are ye saying limerick37 has a soccer hooligan element ha ha i think i just p**sed my pants

[KevB76]

are ye saying limerick37 has a soccer hooligan element ha ha i think i just p**sed my pants


There is no hooligan element at L37, but it doesnt take much for people to believe we have, when you get one or two eejits throwing stuff at away support, allow for the typical exaggerations and misundertsandings such as you have just displayed, and theres your reputation ruined.

[Monkfish]

are ye saying limerick37 has a soccer hooligan element ha ha i think i just p**sed my pants

Sure aint that why your afraid to come into the shed:cool:

[Lim till i die]

And if I was there I wouldn't have been dishing out abuse and acting like a loon.

Well aren't you precious


Oh and you should have said that to me too when you were texting me the other night, rather than digging here. I have a business to run on Saturdays so have other things to be doing with my time

I was in work at the time and so wasn't able to articulate myself properly

Kinda like you yesterday I guess

And as for the irony of you accusing me of digging......


So players are supposed to be 'big enough' to take criticism and not react one minute, but now to suit your arguement they should be confronting fans!

If he felt so strongly why not say it at the time?? Seriously??


Oh and the 'mystery fan' is you,

Thought you weren't naming any people involve but shur good man quelle suprise


you were 'outed' at the meeting Thursday night by those who were present in Kilkenny.

Hello Sailor :rolleyes:

Couldn't give a fig whatever lies most of the cowards that were in Kilkenny told you tbh, I know what happened

BTW You'll notice once again you're passing on stuff which happened at something you didn't even attend........


Grow up Tom

LMAO

Mr. Gets a teency weency bit of scandal and has to throw it up all whisper like on the net

It's sad and pathetic but again quelle suprise


if you were out of order, you were out of order and just accept it and move on

Happily would if I was out of order but I'm not, I know what happened

Anyone whos opinion I care about at that club has came down on my side which says a lot


Just to get a few points straight here. The player I spoke to was expressing his own personal opinion, he wasn't speaking for the whole squad. So it's quite possible that other players have no problem with what went on, although I seriously doubt it. I think there's a bit of PR work being done by a few supporters here over what happened...

More spineless OPINION from Mike with not a name mentioned


I'd also like to ask, what was the idea behind taking down the flags after Limerick went 2-0 down? What kind of support is that?

Read the start of Battery Rovers excellent post on Supporters Clubs please

Altho in fairness to you I might be after paying him for a bit of PR


Did the people who decided to take down the flags represent the opinions of the whole Limerick contingent there?

They represented the opinions of the people in charge of the flags.

In future you can hand everyone out a flag each to put up and do with as they see fit

I don't recall too much aggro at the time


"You're not fit to wear the shirt" - what's that about?

It's about losing two nil away to Kilkenny

Again have a gawk at Battery Rovers post

And besides was that me on my own singing that?? Is that my fault??


And regarding what you said to McGee Tom, well based on the vitriol of the first post in this thread, to be honest I'm finding it hard to believe that that's all you said.

I don't care what you do and don't believe.

I know what I said

And I'm not the only one who knows either.......

[Lim till i die]

I am not questioning anyones loyalty here but if half the people involved and attending Limerick 37 had half the passion and love of the club as Lim Till I Die does then it would be a far better place.


Much appreciated. Cheers. :ball:


Youve been missing for a while Lim it's been a quiet place without you.

I've been working nights

Which was kind of what made it easy to pin everything on me

[Lim till i die]

By who? and to who? I was there and didnt hear his name mentioned, and why the need to be 'outed'? whatever of your opinion of what hes supposed to have done he hasent denied or tried to keep any of his 'actions' secret

1000% correct


now if the rumours of him skinning kittens and selling smack to the Kilkenny kids are true surely everyone from fans, players and officials will have already seen this and told 10 friends by now

Chinese Whispers

They're a terrible thing

Just have a look at this thread :rolleyes: :)

[Monkfish]

Which was kind of what made it easy to pin everything on me
Well i wasent there was I, so who else is gonna get the blame:)

[sadloserkid]

Well i wasent there was I, so who else is gonna get the blame:)

Exactly. If you can't blame the facists find some pinko to fall back on. It's all politically motivated. :D

[Lim till i die]

I gather one of the SC guys felt compelled to call several members to apologise over the goings on there.


Just to clarify it sure as hell wasn't me


Also, the parents (I think) of one of the players travelled to the match with us but didnt travel back, I dont know if this was pre-arranged but I have been told that this was because they werent comfortable due to the shenanigans after the game.

That's their own business whether or not they feel comfortable


Also, a seat was acidentally broken by one of us

That wasn't me either


add in the ****s throwing stuff after Douglas Hall scored lastnight, and before you know it we are all classed as scum

And neither was that

Good God could other people who weren't me actually have caused upset at games :eek: :eek:

Then again, probably kids I led astray eh lads?? ;)

[Lim till i die]

Well i wasent there was I, so who else is gonna get the blame


Exactly. If you can't blame the facists find some pinko to fall back on. It's all politically motivated.

I was warned my dabbling with Monkfishs' unique brand of socialism would get me in trouble :) :p

[Lim till i die]

here here they should be kicked out
of the sc

BURN 'EM
BURN 'EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Monkfish]

I was warned my dabbling with Monkfishs' unique brand of socialism would get me in trouble :) :p

Just as long as you dont dabble with Monkfish's other 'brands' we might all just pull through this latest episode of 'entertainment weekly':eek:

[sadloserkid]

Just as long as you dont dabble with Monkfish's other 'brands' we might all just pull through this latest episode of 'entertainment weekly':eek:

Yeah there's enough Monaghan women in this story already. :)

[Lim till i die]

Just as long as you dont dabble with Monkfish's other 'brands'

You know how I feel about your brands :mad: :p


we might all just pull through this latest episode of 'entertainment weekly'

I'm sure you'll all get over me.

With time......................... :)

[Monkfish]

Yeah there's enough Monaghan women in this story already. :)

hmmmmm explain yourself Lord Gothvanker.

[sadloserkid]

hmmmmm explain yourself Lord Gothvanker.

LTID isn't the only one being dogged by persistant rumour. ;)

[Lim till i die]

LTID isn't the only one being dogged by persistant rumour. ;)

Can we all take the lgiht-heartedness elsewhere please guys??

This thread is about me

ME ME ME ME ME :mad: :p

[Monkfish]

LTID isn't the only one being dogged by persistant rumour. ;)

Rumour? tis all true!

[manalishi]

Secondly can someone give me a reason as to why he kept on Anthony Hayes when he let 3 other players go other than his dad and Skee are allegedly golf buddies / friends.

On this subject can anyone please explain why Davy Wall was let go?/Was there a row???

[Lim till i die]

On this subject can anyone please explain why Davy Wall was let go?/Was there a row???

With the 21's coming together and Colbert and Barrett signing I assumed he was just surplus to requirments tbh

Although I thought Hayes would be released aswell

[Needtoknow]

Secondly can someone give me a reason as to why he kept on Anthony Hayes when he let 3 other players go other than his dad and Skee are allegedly golf buddies / friends.

On this subject can anyone please explain why Davy Wall was let go?/Was there a row???

This i have to say is the only thing i have had a major bake about this year, i would have let Hayes go and kept Maloney (A great impact player imo). :ball:

[4tothefloor]

By who? and to who? I was there and didnt hear his name mentioned, and why the need to be 'outed'?
Ger Finnin was made aware it was Tom by a member of the SC who works for the club. And no need to be outed, everyone knows that Tom was out of order except himself, and his clique who are backing him up.


I meant that in response to where you said there is a bit of PR work to be done after Kilkenny. Does that mean everytime someone calls for McGee out or your not fit to wear the shirt then there will be an apology?
Nope that's not what I'm saying. I don't think you really get it. You need to actually read the thread instead of coming on with blind support of a fan just because you've had problems in Athlone yerselves. This is a completely different matter.


Thought you weren't naming any people involve but shur good man quelle suprise
I didn't name you to anybody, someone else did


Couldn't give a fig whatever lies most of the cowards that were in Kilkenny told you tbh, I know what happened
By cowards I presume you mean the youngfellas who sang the chants but didn't have anything to say then when faced up to the players? Nope, not them



It's sad and pathetic but again quelle suprise You're going to run out of dummies Tom :p


Anyone whos opinion I care about at that club has came down on my side which says a lot Who has come down on your side from the club, apart from your match-going buddies?




More spineless OPINION from Mike with not a name mentioned Nah, just an opinion based on the fact that certain people are trying to drag another member of the SC in to shouldering the blame for what went on in Kilkenny, when he had nothing to do with it. Ye don't fool me lads ;)




Read the start of Battery Rovers excellent post on Supporters Clubs please
What happened in Athlone and in Kilkenny are two different things. Battery Rover doesn't seem to be grasping what went on in Kilkenny


They represented the opinions of the people in charge of the flags.
That's a s**t excuse. Childish, sad and pathetic behaviour.


In future you can hand everyone out a flag each to put up and do with as they see fit.
No need, a better idea would to keep you away from the flags in case you take them down again just because things aren't going your way, boo hoo :rolleyes:

[joeSoap]

What's this...A multi-quote competition betweem LTID and 4tothefloor? :eek:

[Battery Rover]

I have based what I said in my posts on what I have read on here as a whole.

Now can someone say exactly what was said in Kilkenny cause from what I see it was a few McGee out, Your not fit to wear the shirt chants and what did McGee actually say to Tom in response and can that be someone who was actually there not people that have heard chinese whispers. Maybe KevB or Gael

Were there chants questioning their parents or upbringing which would be over the top?

Do any of the supporters club have a seat on the board ie attend meetings? If so who is it?

In my opinion from what appears here so far is that McGee is again trying to act the hard boy in front of players and supporters to cover clueless tactics that he is employing in matches lately.

[Lim till i die]

Ger Finnin was made aware it was Tom by a member of the SC who works for the club.


Again, no naming of names - SPINELESS

It was Trev

I know exactly what was said

So does Monkfish by all accounts

You're taking it completely out of context but shur hey, much like the game, you weren't even at the meeting so can't expect you to have your facts straight

And besides all that as Monkfish said, have I tried to deny any of my actions??


And no need to be outed, everyone knows that Tom was out of order except himself, and his clique who are backing him up.

Level of the playground again. Who's everyone??

And as for my "clique"??

LMAO

You weren't even there

What about the other less sensitive soul of a player SLK mentioned?? Is he part of my clique aswell??

And Battery Rover from Athlone?? Another member of my clique??


Nope that's not what I'm saying.

What are you saying there then Mike??


By cowards I presume you mean the youngfellas who sang the chants but didn't have anything to say then when faced up to the players? Nope, not them

Ya, it was only me and the youngfellas, youngfellas I doubtless led astray


You're going to run out of dummies Tom

Good strong argument there........


Who has come down on your side from the club, apart from your match-going buddies?

Why would I need anyone from the club to defend me??

Now that I think of it none of them were at the game either


Nah, just an opinion based on the fact that certain people are trying to drag another member of the SC in to shouldering the blame for what went on in Kilkenny, when he had nothing to do with it.

What this is actually about is me shouldering the entire blame for the behaviour of fifty people

Once again no mention of names for these mysterious "certain people" - SPINELESS

Yawn.


Ye don't fool me lads

By the looks of things you're more than capable of looking like a fool all by yourself

Give it a rest

Your whole argument basically comes down to being willing to take someone elses word over my own. As arguments go, tis not a very strong one


What happened in Athlone and in Kilkenny are two different things. Battery Rover doesn't seem to be grasping what went on in Kilkenny

And you continue the making a fool of yourself trend by patronising Battery Rover regardless of the fact that the point he made about Supporters Clubs is still relevant to the argument


That's a s**t excuse. Childish, sad and pathetic behaviour.

More strong argument here.

You're actually starting to come across boderline wierd such is your upset :D


No need, a better idea would to keep you away from the flags in case you take them down again just because things aren't going your way, boo hoo

Yet more strong argument.

Yes Mike that's why they were taken down :rolleyes:

How come none of the saints tried to stop me at the time??

[Lim till i die]

Now can someone say exactly what was said in Kilkenny cause from what I see it was a few McGee out, Your not fit to wear the shirt chants and what did McGee actually say to Tom in response and can that be someone who was actually there not people that have heard chinese whispers.


In fairness to him, in a shocking display of something almost appraoching savvy he just stood there smirking at us and sipping his water bottle after I had a go at full time

Didn't come out when the players were warming down either


Maybe KevB or Gael

Wouldn't bother asking Trev. He's quite obviously part of my "clique" and so unlike all the people who have been pi$$ing on me all week is therefore incapable of having an independant thought


Were there chants questioning their parents or upbringing which would be over the top?

Certainly not from me

You can ask any of my "clique", I would never dream of saying anything like that to one of our own ;) :)


Do any of the supporters club have a seat on the board ie attend meetings? If so who is it?

NeedToKnow

As you can probably tell, a leader of men he is not

[Lim till i die]

What's this...A multi-quote competition betweem LTID and 4tothefloor? :eek:

You're in the way damnit!! :)

[Battery Rover]

Quote:
Do any of the supporters club have a seat on the board ie attend meetings? If so who is it?


NeedToKnow

As you can probably tell, a leader of men he is not

Ok never knew that and the reason I asked that was in terms of a fair and balanced argument. I can see the position he is in then he is having to defend the club in one way and on the other being a committee member of an independent supporters club.

[KevB76]

Just to clarify it sure as hell wasn't me



That's their own business whether or not they feel comfortable



That wasn't me either



And neither was that

Good God could other people who weren't me actually have caused upset at games

Then again, probably kids I led astray eh lads??

I've been multi-quoted by Lim til i die, thats made my day :) :) :D

[Fairkop]

listen ltid,i,m actually starting to feel sorry for you....must be getting soft,but sure you know already the.....cartel.....are like the weather their opinions change to suit themselves where as you are like the rain ...consistently miserable,and thats to be admired......keep up the good fight.

[4tothefloor]

By the looks of things you're more than capable of looking like a fool all by yourself


You're actually starting to come across boderline wierd such is your upset :D
Ah, the personal insults are starting. I won't lower myself and retort though ;)

[Needtoknow]

NeedToKnow

As you can probably tell, a leader of men he is not

Asked both of ye not to take down the flags, as i also put them up. Ye didn't pay an ounce of attention to me. What exactly did you want me to do?

As regards work, we have a very good SC which has taken up a lot of my and others time. I don't like the way the second half went in Kilkenny & make no secret that it was OTT imo. I like to be positive about the club & don't see why i should feel bad about it and i won't.

You have your opinion & i have mine on supporting the team. This is dragging on too much! Lets move on, its helping no one.

[PinBallWizard]

By the looks of things you're more than capable of looking like a fool all by yourself Something no doubt he learned from you.


Give it a rest Practice what you preach.


And you continue the making a fool of yourself trend by patronising Battery Rover Thats pretty rich coming from the most pompous, idiotic arsehole I've ever encountered on this forum.

And yes, I include myself in that...

[joeSoap]

Thats pretty rich coming from the most pompous, idiotic arsehole I've ever encountered on this forum.

And yes, I include myself in that...
Well that's something....:rolleyes:

[jebus]

Well that's something....

:D:D

Anyway from what I've heard from Kilkenny (wasn't there so don't know what went on) the known party was part of a group of people who were chanting for McGee to be shown the door, that it was a disgrace to lose to kilkenny etc., and then got hung out to dry by the rest of the fans when people wanted to know who was to blame. Pretty spineless action from the people in question, whether you agree what was chanted was right or not, and has left a bad taste on both sides of this argument it seems. None of this came from LtiD I might add, although he did confirm it when I asked him about it. I think I'll also add that without LtiD and/or SLK leading the chants in the Shed it's a far less funny place

As for McGee, well he's a grown man and should be able to take the criticisms that go with losing to Kilkenny, that's about as much of a end of as can be in that discussion. What's worrying is the way he can't motivate the players at the moment, from what I heard and still hear that is supposed to be his strong point and all. From what I've seen and heard lately they don't seem to give a toss where they finish in this league, and saying it's our first season will be the likely excuse when Shelbourne overtake us, which is a cop out when you look at the wages being spent on the first team.

That's all I'll say on the matter, unless you can give me LtiD's cliques secret handshake of course ;)

[sadloserkid]

Anyway from what I've heard from Kilkenny (wasn't there so don't know what went on) the known party was part of a group of people who were chanting for McGee to be shown the door, that it was a disgrace to lose to kilkenny etc., and then got hung out to dry by the rest of the fans when people wanted to know who was to blame.

And that is why I am locking this thread. Also it's gone horribly off topic and around in circles but there you have it. Witchunts are neither big nor clever. I must say I'm shocked that the dozens of upset and angry fans in Kilkenny couldn't manage to even drown out one person. Anybody would think that there was more than one person making all this negative noise... :rolleyes:

Go forth and play on another topic boys and girls. As Needtoknow has pointed out this aids nobody but this time the moral majority seem to have no hesitation is throwing negative vibes at the club in their hurry to clear their own names.

PS) I do not include 4TTF in the name clearing as he (much like myself and Jebus) was not at the scene of said crime.

We really are somewhat of a ragtag group.:ball: