Full-time setup [Archive]

DmanDmythDledge

07/08/2007, 2:30 AM

Pete mentioned in his interview after the game that the club were hoping to move to full time "in the next year or two". He also said that we don't have a proper training schedule due to being part time. Said something about contacts in England to get 1 or 2 players so that we would be able to make the switch to full time.

Personally I would love to see us make the move to full time as it would make a massive difference to our performances. The only reservation I would have obviously is whether or not we can afford it but knowing the people that run our club I doubt we would take a financial risk as big as this.

In order to compete with the top teams in the league, which our club has ambitions to do so, full time training is necessary to improve fitness and skills. Training with full time coaches means that the players can work on certain skills more and thus improve. Towards the end of the game Pats's superior fitness began to show and they had their best spell of the game. I feel that our team is as good as Pats' (I'd only have 2, maybe 3 of their players from last night in our team) so I see no reason why we can't be pushing for Europe if we moved full time. The only thing I'd be wary about is can we afford the switch as we don't want to end up losing our best players if we end up unable to pay their wages. Rovers have managed to do very well with part-time setup but I wouldn't be surprised if their performances start to drop towards the end of the season.

Still it could only turn out to be a pipe-dream of Pete's as it seems like he's the one raising the bar in terms of our ambitions. We'll wait and see.

pete

07/08/2007, 10:38 AM

Heard this too on tv & was surprised. How could this be funded on lowest crowds in the Premier given clubs with double the crowds can't fund fulltime setup...

I mentioned this to other eL fan & instant reply was feeder club... :eek:

Poor Student

07/08/2007, 12:32 PM

Don't forget when Shels came sniffing around Pete he was given the role of Director of Football. The club will soon be rolling out their coaching in the community scheme to broaden the structure of the club. It won't be quite as an academy as was claimed as the club won't just be cherry picking the best kids from the area but offering broad coaching to the community. I assume Pete will oversee this eventually? There are plans and efforts afoot to expand the club's support and stature in the community just like the one I've just mentioned. Also, the club is better funded than a lot of people believe. I'm still not sure how likely a change to full time would be and what it would mean given that a chunk of our squad are on student scholarships. I also don't think full time is the be all and end all of things e.g. Shams doing excellent with a part time set up and Galways doing poor will a full time one.

DmanDmythDledge

07/08/2007, 1:57 PM

I also don't think full time is the be all and end all of things e.g. Shams doing excellent with a part time set up and Galways doing poor will a full time one.
It isn't but we would be a hell of a lot better if we were full time. In Galway's case there's no point in going full time if you don't have good players as it's turns out to be a waste of money.

pineapple stu

07/08/2007, 4:40 PM

I can only assume the main way we'd be funding this is by virtue of still having a pretty much full-student team, who'd be much cheaper to pay. Still, it'll be interesting to talk to the lads and see how this is going to work.

I'd love to see how much of a difference it'd make to the team, and Pete's talking sounds like he could get in better players if we went full time. However, it could just be a ruse to keep the FAI on side. Still, let's see what happens on Friday.

John83

07/08/2007, 5:02 PM

...How could this be funded on lowest crowds in the Premier given clubs with double the crowds can't fund fulltime setup...
If there's anything in it, it's because no one in the league makes more than a small percentage of their turnover from the gate. Pats for example had a gate of about 1.3k last year, which is still less than 350k per year in income when you allow for concessions. That we've a third of that impacts our budget less than you'd think. Still, I'd be very surprised if we could manage this.

pineapple stu

07/08/2007, 6:12 PM

Actually, I think I remember one of the officials saying that we weren't looking at increasing our wage budget in the next couple of years while a few other projects came on stream?

pete

07/08/2007, 7:36 PM

If there's anything in it, it's because no one in the league makes more than a small percentage of their turnover from the gate. Pats for example had a gate of about 1.3k last year, which is still less than 350k per year in income when you allow for concessions. That we've a third of that impacts our budget less than you'd think. Still, I'd be very surprised if we could manage this.

Pats could not go fulltime on gates of 1,300, in fact if they did not have a wealth benefactor they would not be able to do so this season. Where do UCD extra funds come from?

DmanDmythDledge

08/08/2007, 1:43 AM

I can only assume the main way we'd be funding this is by virtue of still having a pretty much full-student team, who'd be much cheaper to pay. Still, it'll be interesting to talk to the lads and see how this is going to work.
How could they still be students if they would be training full time? Training morning and afternoon Monday-Friday seems to rule out college.

Where do UCD extra funds come from?
Player sponsorship, golf classic, alumni dinner and other fundraising.

John83

08/08/2007, 1:52 PM

How could they still be students if they would be training full time? Training morning and afternoon Monday-Friday seems to rule out college.
You've clearly never seen a sports management timetable. ;)

Player sponsorship, golf classic, alumni dinner and other fundraising.
Thing is, we already have all of that stuff (as does every other club), so we'd need to increase this substantially to go full time, or find some other source of funding.

Pete, I'm asking myself the same about Sligo. I really don't think the league here can currently support full time pros without investment. Still, it's nice to talk. :)

pineapple stu

08/08/2007, 5:02 PM

How could they still be students if they would be training full time? Training morning and afternoon Monday-Friday seems to rule out college.

What John83 said.

Professional football is not a 9-5 job.

Bald Student

12/08/2007, 9:31 PM

How could they still be students if they would be training full time?I would presume that they'd do separate fitness work during the day, worked around the timetables and have a common session in the evenings. You have to remember that being a student isn't a nine to five job either.

DmanDmythDledge

13/08/2007, 11:22 PM

Then that would be part time football.

John83

14/08/2007, 10:09 AM

Then that would be part time football.
With exactly the same quantity of training as a pro team? Pull the other one.

DmanDmythDledge

14/08/2007, 4:22 PM

With exactly the same quantity of training as a pro team?
Yes.:rolleyes:

John83

14/08/2007, 5:13 PM

Yes.:rolleyes:
I can roll my eyes too.

Pro footballers don't do 40 hours of training a week. Therefore you can fit a pro footballing schedule around 6 hours of lectures without too much difficulty.

Or you can roll your eyes.

pineapple stu

14/08/2007, 5:18 PM

dmanetc - you're wrong. Simple as that.

Read the interview with Clive Delaney in the UCD match programme a couple of years back - he was "working" from 10 to 2. That's pro football.

DmanDmythDledge

14/08/2007, 5:19 PM

I read your first post wrong.

Pro footballers don't do 40 hours of training a week. Therefore you can fit a pro footballing schedule around 6 hours of lectures without too much difficulty.
You can't. What Bald Student suggested is what we currently do. No point giving players an increase to full time salaries for doing no extra work. Your also not accounting for the fact that not all of our student players do the same course.

dmanetc - you're wrong. Simple as that.

Read the interview with Clive Delaney in the UCD match programme a couple of years back - he was "working" from 10 to 2. That's pro football.
I don't need to be told what pro football is, I know.

And it's 10-3 btw.

pineapple stu

14/08/2007, 5:24 PM

I don't need to be told what pro football is, I know.

And it's 10-3 btw.
Not going by your posts, you don't.

I stated Clive "worked" from 10 to 2 at West Ham. And he did, per his interview in Blue Review 5 - UCD v Pat's, 23/05/03. Your petty comment only serves (a) to imply you're trying to point-score and (b) you aren't reading other people's posts.

DmanDmythDledge

14/08/2007, 5:43 PM

Not going by your posts, you don't.

I stated Clive "worked" from 10 to 2 at West Ham. And he did, per his interview in Blue Review 5 - UCD v Pat's, 23/05/03. Your petty comment only serves (a) to imply you're trying to point-score and (b) you aren't reading other people's posts.
Not being petty, it's relevant. You're trying to say that you can still fit in college after training so we might as well get the times right.

Neither of you have outlined how you imagine to fit in time for college afterwards in a few hours. There's not enough time for lectures or tutorials.

pineapple stu

14/08/2007, 6:01 PM

John83

14/08/2007, 6:03 PM

Neither of you have outlined how you imagine to fit in time for college afterwards in a few hours. There's not enough time for lectures or tutorials.

You've clearly never seen a sports management timetable. ;)
I'm going to stop having this conversation now.

Schumi

14/08/2007, 7:53 PM

You obviously won't fit the likes of an engineering timetable around full-time football but sports management wouldn't be difficult. I've read several newspaper pieces about players who were full-time footballers when quite young and most talk about the boredom in the afternoons after training so there must be plenty of spare time. Having lectures in those times might actually be beneficial to their football.

Bald Student

14/08/2007, 8:52 PM

Whether Clive trained 10-2 or 10-3 it's still 4 or 5 hours. There are 16 waking hours in a day and 6 hours weekly in the most common college course. After that, it's maths and timetabling.

DmanDmythDledge

15/08/2007, 2:50 AM

You leave Monday free for lectures, train Tuesday to Friday, with a match on Friday. Simple.

Also, you've not offered any evidence that full time football is 10 to 3, whereas I've quoted a former full time footballer. I don't see why we should be expected to take your source over mine.
first of all you wouldn't be able to change the timetable like that (outlined below). also if you don't train on the monday then it's part time football.

I saw it somewhere on the internet before- I had a quick check on google there but couldn't see anything. if you're that bothered you'll try yourself.

Whether Clive trained 10-2 or 10-3 it's still 4 or 5 hours. There are 16 waking hours in a day and 6 hours weekly in the most common college course. After that, it's maths and timetabling.
not as simple as that. in college lectures cover more than one course so it's not as simple as moving everything to do with sport management to the late afternoon as you then have to juggle other courses. you all keep ignoring the fact that there's more than one course in the college- there have been and are players that are doing courses that aren't sports management- alan mahon, tadgh purcell and darren forsyth to name a few.

Aberdonian Stu

15/08/2007, 9:41 AM

Actually Dman the Sports Management diploma classes don't clash with any other course, they're standalone so they would have no difficulty moving it around.

pineapple stu

15/08/2007, 5:11 PM

also if you don't train on the monday then it's part time football.
I don't work on Saturdays. Am I still full time?

I saw it somewhere on the internet before- I had a quick check on google there but couldn't see anything. if you're that bothered you'll try yourself.
So let me get this right. I've asked a (then) professional football for my source. Your source is "I saw it somewhere on the internet before", but google showed nothing. And I'm the one whom, you argue, needs to check my source?

I seem to recall you exhorting a fellow poster a while back to recognise when he had lost the argument. May I advise you heed your own words before things start getting really silly?

DmanDmythDledge

15/08/2007, 5:18 PM

I don't work on Saturdays. Am I still full time?
1- you're not a footballer.
2- you work 5 other days a week
3- name a full time club that doesn't train 5 days a week?

So let me get this right. I've asked a (then) professional football for my source. Your source is "I saw it somewhere on the internet before", but google showed nothing. And I'm the one whom, you argue, needs to check my source?
Call me a liar if you like that's what it said. I only looked at the first few entries on google- as I said if you're really that bothered look at it yourself. Also where have I said that your source said anything different?

I seem to recall you exhorting a fellow poster a while back to recognise when he had lost the argument. May I advise you heed your own words before things start getting really silly?
Silly? You still haven't proven how you can fit a full time schedule around being a student. You're the only one that looks silly.

John83

15/08/2007, 5:23 PM

Could Schumi close this please. Dmanetc's embarrassing himself.

DmanDmythDledge

15/08/2007, 5:33 PM

Could Schumi close this please. Dmanetc's embarrassing himself.
Yeah because the 2 of you have proved me wrong.:rolleyes:

John83

15/08/2007, 5:35 PM

Yeah because the 2 of you have proved me wrong.:rolleyes:
I haven't proven that Hitler was a Dundalk fan either, but I'm damned if I'll see a thread locked on the UCD forum without a pointless Nazi analogy.

Seriously, 20-25 hours training, 6 hours lectures? I spend more time on the internet each week.

DmanDmythDledge

15/08/2007, 5:37 PM

Seriously, 20-25 hours training, 6 hours lectures? I spend more time on the internet each week.
Again the point that not everybody does sports management is ignored.

Aberdonian Stu

15/08/2007, 8:01 PM

The bulk of them do. Those that don't, those poor souls, would do no more than 15 hours a week unless they do science, engineering or medicine. Also Dman you are assuming that full time training has to be within the confines of a 9-5 schedule.

5 hours training a day (which is 1 more than the 4 cited by the only person that has provided a source for his claim) can easily be fitted in even if, God forbid, two of those hours are in the evening.

Seriously Dman just give up. Being right isn't what matters, getting the right answer is.

pineapple stu

15/08/2007, 8:11 PM

Those that don't, those poor souls, would do no more than 15 hours a week unless they do science, engineering or medicine.
Have we ever had a medicine student since we joined the league? Or an engineering one, for that? Recall one or two science students (Gavin Whelan and Maccer and that's about it...)

Aberdonian Stu

15/08/2007, 10:00 PM

Seriously, does Maccer count?

pineapple stu

15/08/2007, 10:01 PM

Dunno, but I realised I couldn't think of anyone else.

Titan

16/08/2007, 9:50 AM

1- you're not a footballer.
2- you work 5 other days a week
3- name a full time club that doesn't train 5 days a week?

Call me a liar if you like that's what it said. I only looked at the first few entries on google- as I said if you're really that bothered look at it yourself. Also where have I said that your source said anything different?

Silly? You still haven't proven how you can fit a full time schedule around being a student. You're the only one that looks silly.

Not 1 full time team trains 5 days a week. I know this for a fact cos over the last 4 years I've dealt with most of them. Most full time clubs use the following schedule (based on games being Friday)

Monday off
Tuesday 2 sessions 1 morning 1 afternoon
Wednesday 1 session morning
Thursday 1 session morning
Friday Match
Saturday OR Sunday light session
Saturday or Sunday OFF

At UCD we train almost as much as Bohs and more than Pats.

To (hopefully) put this discussion to bed:

If we wanted the scholarship players to go full time they could. The lads who work would have to stay part time obviously as we arent going to pay them enough but training could be organised in such a way that the status quo remains with the scholarship/not working players doing extra sessions either at 7:30 am or at 5:00 PM. My source for this training schedule is the high performance centre who work with the lads and would be overseeing the extra daytime sessions.

Having said all that there are no plans for us to go full time (As far as I know)