Lee Trundle Again

[Stuttgart88]

Its not simply the number of goals, its the nature of them, there all different types, tap-ins, power strikes, wondergoals, he can do the lotThat's what I was saying about Stephen Elliott's first season (18 Championship goals?), plus his early goals in the Premiership.
One-on-ones, headers, tap ins, shots, on the turn, the lot, but he's a squad player at best for us. Keane & Doyle are our undisputed best pairing and I'm very excited by Keogh, not so much as a goalscorer but as a very dangerous forward player.

Murphy is a decent player but I'd close my eyes if he had a one-on-one to win either of September's games. He's skillful though & creates goals with his flicks and his good left foot.

Long really impressed me when he came on against Slovakia and 3 goals in his last 2 games for us can't be knocked. He was awful in San Marino but so was everyone, bar KK, Hunt & Stokes.

[livehead1]

That's what I was saying about Stephen Elliott's first season (18 Championship goals?), plus his early goals in the Premiership.
One-on-ones, headers, tap ins, shots, on the turn, the lot, but he's a squad player at best for us. Keane & Doyle are our undisputed best pairing .


..And he was given a chance

[Dr. Ogba]

Its not simply the number of goals, its the nature of them, there all different types, tap-ins, power strikes, wondergoals, he can do the lot, he can offer something so different to anything we have, even if it was 20 mins from the end; id love to see him coming on as opposed to shane long on daryll murphy.

And also, I doubt either would get as many goals has he has in League 1

well there's a guy on my amateur team that bangs in 20-30 goals a season and he gets all types of goals: long-rangers, headers, poachers goals, individual goals...great player, maybe he should get called up because he offers something different!

Extreme example maybe but my point is that there are plenty of flair players that offer something different in the lower leagues of England but that doesn't mean that they are capable of making the step up...Lee Trundle is one of these players. I genuinely don't think that he will ever play in the Premiership and don't think he'll ever be a better all-round player than the young lads we have there at the moment...

[NeilMcD]

Great post Ogba.

[tetsujin1979]

..And he [Elliott - tets] was given a chance
Elliot was given a chance because of the dearth of strikers available to us at the time. If either Keane or Morrison was injured, then it was up to the Doc to come off the bench and stay up front to try and win the game for us, now we have Keogh, Long, Stokes, etc all vying for a squad position.
Besides Keane, Morrison, Doc, Connolly, Elliot, Lee, Crowe and Byrne, did Brian Kerr pick any other strikers for his squad? And Byrne's 18-second cameo (or however long it was) barely counts. Did Crowe ever come off the bench for Kerr? Doyle was on the bench once for him, against Cyprus away I think.
So far Stan has picked Keane, Morrison, Lee, Keogh, Elliott, Long, Stokes, Murphy, as well as giving Byrne a decent run out, and calling up Folan and Dixon. He has a far wider pool of strikers available (let's save the argument about talent for another day), and obviously does not see the need for Trundle.

[tricky_colour]

well there's a guy on my amateur team that bangs in 20-30 goals a season and he gets all types of goals: long-rangers, headers, poachers goals, individual goals...great player, maybe he should get called up because he offers something different!

Extreme example maybe but my point is that there are plenty of flair players that offer something different in the lower leagues of England ...

What like Kevin Keegan you mean?

Everyone has to start somewhere and Trundle started at the bottom
and has actually impproved as he moved up scoring more not less.
Also a lot of our strikers are light weight and Trundle offers a bigger presence up front.

[tetsujin1979]

Also a lot of our strikers are light weight and Trundle offers a bigger presence up front.
Hmmm.....

Strikers from the recently announced squad:
Kevin Doyle, Robbie Keane, Andy Keogh, Shane Long, and Daryl Murphy
Add in Trundle and compare stats of height and weight.

Name Height
Daryl Murphy 6'3
Kevin Doyle 6'
Lee Trundle 6'
Andy Keogh 6'
Shane Long 5'10
Robbie Keane 5'9

Name Weight
Daryl Murphy 12st 12lbs
Kevin Doyle 12st 8lbs
Lee Trundle 11st 6lb
Robbie Keane 11st 7lbs
Shane Long 11st 2lbs
Andy Keogh 11st

He wouldn't really add anything in either department that we don't already have.

BTW, I'm not saying he should be in the squad, or out of the squad, I'm saying that he doesn't offer more in terms of strength or height that we don't already have

[youngirish]

Hmmm.....

Strikers from the recently announced squad:
Kevin Doyle, Robbie Keane, Andy Keogh, Shane Long, and Daryl Murphy
Add in Trundle and compare stats of height and weight.

Name Height
Daryl Murphy 6'3
Kevin Doyle 6'
Lee Trundle 6'
Andy Keogh 6'
Shane Long 5'10
Robbie Keane 5'9

Name Weight
Daryl Murphy 12st 12lbs
Kevin Doyle 12st 8lbs
Lee Trundle 11st 6lb
Robbie Keane 11st 7lbs
Shane Long 11st 2lbs
Andy Keogh 11st

He wouldn't really add anything in either department that we don't already have.

BTW, I'm not saying he should be in the squad, or out of the squad, I'm saying that he doesn't offer more in terms of strength or height that we don't already have

In fairness Trundle looks a lot bigger (fatter) and stronger than the likes of Andy Keogh. I think those stats are incorrect. Doyle isn't 6 foot either as far as I know. Slightly smaller.

[The Legend]

anyone who really thinks he should be in the squad at this present time needs their head examined... we've never had so many strikers and people are crying for some 29yr old guy just come up for the friggin 3rd tier... give me a break.

[youngirish]

anyone who really thinks he should be in the squad at this present time needs their head examined... we've never had so many strikers and people are crying for some 29yr old guy just come up for the friggin 3rd tier... give me a break.
He's 31.

[Dr. Ogba]

What like Kevin Keegan you mean?

Everyone has to start somewhere and Trundle started at the bottom
and has actually impproved as he moved up scoring more not less.
Also a lot of our strikers are light weight and Trundle offers a bigger presence up front.


Afraid I don't get the Keegan reference so that's passed me by but you're saying he's improved as he's moved up by scoring more.........At the risk of repeating myself...HE'S ONLY PLAYED 3 GAMES!!!! Lets see how many he scores over the course of the season....

[The Legend]

He's 31.


31? Jaysus... goodnight then!

[tetsujin1979]

He's 31.
He's 30, 31 in October

[tetsujin1979]

In fairness Trundle looks a lot bigger (fatter) and stronger than the likes of Andy Keogh. I think those stats are incorrect. Doyle isn't 6 foot either as far as I know. Slightly smaller.
google "Kevin Doyle" +Height and you'll get various answers. Smallest is 5'10, most is 6'.
On the Reading site it's down as 5'11, so I'll take that instead


Name Height
Daryl Murphy 6'3
Andy Keogh 6'
Lee Trundle 6'
Kevin Doyle 5'11
Shane Long 5'10
Robbie Keane 5'9
Doesn't really change anything

[livehead1]

The Legend.....He's 30...and hes playing in the SECOND tier

[tricky_colour]

Some of those height and weight figures look rather suspect.
I'd say Trundle is closer to 12 stone and looks like he weighs more the Doyle,
who is 5'11 according to some sources.
Another site puts Trundle on 84kg which is over 13 stone, hard to believe Doyle is heavier than him.

[tricky_colour]

The Legend.....He's 30...and hes playing in the SECOND tier

As were vitually all our strikers a year or 2 ago, at least he is on his way up, as opposed to down.

[The Legend]

The Legend.....He's 30...and hes playing in the SECOND tier

Right... having JUST come up from the 3rd tier like I said...:rolleyes:

[livehead1]

Right... having JUST come up from the 3rd tier like I said...:rolleyes:
Come Off It!!! You'd say the same thing if someone moved from the third tier to the premiership?....He's just come from the 3rd tier...sure ya wouldn't use that argument!

[DmanDmythDledge]

Come Off It!!! You'd say the same thing if someone moved from the third tier to the premiership?....He's just come from the 3rd tier...sure ya wouldn't use that argument!
It's all about proving yourself at a higher level. I'm a fan of Trundle like yourself but I think it wouldn't make sense to have him ahead of Long, Keogh, Murphy or Lee (and probably Connolly and Morrisson too). Wait until he does more in the Championship to push for his inclusion, which I think he will.

[irishfan86]

A guy like him can create a goal from absolutely nothing.

Man City were giving him no space at all and he nearly got it over the keeper from about 20 yards out.

I don't see the harm in having him in the squad, but I believe it's a borderline choice.

As one of the last players in the squad I'd take him, for the simple reason that he's in form (when is the man not?).

If Stan was then impressed in training, put him on the bench, and if we need a goal, bring him on for half an hour or 20 minutes to go.

As mentioned before, age means nothing in international football, it's all about form.

I didn't hear many people complaining when Carsley was called back into the squad, he's not exactly a recent graduate out of the youth squad at Everton.

If the man is in better goalscoring form than our other strikers in the Championship, then have him as one of the last picks of the squad, no harm done.

[KopKiller]

NO! Have some people completely lost the plot...

1.Hes fat
2.Hes crap! If he was any good at age 29 he would be in the premiership by now.
3.Hes not Irish
4.Hes a ****** who thinks he is better than he actually is.
5.Hes fat

Where has this come from? He is not even on the top scorers page in the championship. Just because he says he is desperate to play for ireland doesnt mean we should include him, christ, I want to play for ireland but I'm also crap and old so I dont.

[Paddy Garcia]

I don't know much about Trundle, but I know Ronaldo & Maradona were fat - so maybe that's the answer - more fatsos

[humpmeister7]

I don't know much about Trundle, but I know Ronaldo & Maradona were fat - so maybe that's the answer - more fatsos

In that case, Moscow Mule got a great chance!!;)

[tricky_colour]

NO! Have some people completely lost the plot...

1.Hes fat
2.Hes crap! If he was any good at age 29 he would be in the premiership by now.
3.Hes not Irish
4.Hes a ****** who thinks he is better than he actually is.
5.Hes fat

Where has this come from? He is not even on the top scorers page in the championship. Just because he says he is desperate to play for ireland doesnt mean we should include him, christ, I want to play for ireland but I'm also crap and old so I dont.

Going by the figures published here he has one of the lowerest BMI of the strikers. He is as Irish as you are.

[The Legend]

yeah.... its point no.4 that really gets me going on this guy!

[Cymro]

NO! Have some people completely lost the plot...

1.Hes fat
2.Hes crap! If he was any good at age 29 he would be in the premiership by now.
3.Hes not Irish
4.Hes a ****** who thinks he is better than he actually is.
5.Hes fat

Where has this come from? He is not even on the top scorers page in the championship. Just because he says he is desperate to play for ireland doesnt mean we should include him, christ, I want to play for ireland but I'm also crap and old so I dont.

1. I await to see any evidence showing Trundle to be overweight.

2. Are you that ignorant that you consider the Premiership to be the be all and end all of football? There are a number of quality players that aren't in the Premiership for various reasons, and a good number sh1t players who are in the Premiership, for whatever reason. Eg- Titus Bramble is a Premiership player and is awful. Last year, Jason Koumas and David Nugent were lower league players but were undoubtedly good enouh to play at the higher level. For various reasons like clubs demanding unrealistic prices (we asked £2m for Lee 2 years ago which is way too much), players don't always get the moves they deserve.

3. Nor have a good number of your players been over the last few decades. Furthermore, he has always said he's wanted to play for Ireland and turned down a call from Lawrie Sanchez 2 years ago so he's not just doing it to boost his career.

4. And how good is he then? Bearing in mind, he's been a hit at every level of football he's ever played, and that bar keeps rising.

5. See 1, though the fact that you used that argument twice indicates to me that you're not capable of holding a reasonable debate on the matter.

Sorry if this sounds too blunt, but really, read over this thread. I've answered all these arguments before.

[youngirish]

NO! Have some people completely lost the plot...

1.Hes fat
2.Hes crap! If he was any good at age 29 he would be in the premiership by now.
3.Hes not Irish
4.Hes a ****** who thinks he is better than he actually is.
5.Hes fat

Where has this come from? He is not even on the top scorers page in the championship. Just because he says he is desperate to play for ireland doesnt mean we should include him, christ, I want to play for ireland but I'm also crap and old so I dont.
He's 31.

[tetsujin1979]

He's 31.

He's 30, 31 in October


Lee Trundle is pants lads. Fair enough if he was 23 or 24 then I could see cause for excitement but when at 31 you're only starting to make it in the Championship then surely International football is a step too far. At his age you would expect that he has only a couple of seasons playing at the top of his game left in him. Strikers generally don't last as long as defenders.

It would be far better to blood the future talent in the games that Doyle or Keane are not available than waste caps on a lost cause.


His birthday is 10th October 1976, he's 30 at the moment and will be 31 in about 6 weeks.



He's 31.
Guess what? he's 30, and is 31 in October

[youngirish]

Guess what? he's 30, and is 31 in October

Ha ha Tetsujin you're so pedantic I knew you'd pounce on that one in a flash.

[shanman2]

1. I await to see any evidence showing Trundle to be overweight.

2. Are you that ignorant that you consider the Premiership to be the be all and end all of football? There are a number of quality players that aren't in the Premiership for various reasons, and a good number sh1t players who are in the Premiership, for whatever reason. Eg- Titus Bramble is a Premiership player and is awful. Last year, Jason Koumas and David Nugent were lower league players but were undoubtedly good enouh to play at the higher level. For various reasons like clubs demanding unrealistic prices (we asked £2m for Lee 2 years ago which is way too much), players don't always get the moves they deserve.

3. Nor have a good number of your players been over the last few decades. Furthermore, he has always said he's wanted to play for Ireland and turned down a call from Lawrie Sanchez 2 years ago so he's not just doing it to boost his career.

4. And how good is he then? Bearing in mind, he's been a hit at every level of football he's ever played, and that bar keeps rising.

5. See 1, though the fact that you used that argument twice indicates to me that you're not capable of holding a reasonable debate on the matter.

Sorry if this sounds too blunt, but really, read over this thread. I've answered all these arguments before.

Did you watch the games he participated in during the week and weekend and you still think he is worth a place... Honestly now all jokes aside do you fancy him???

[tricky_colour]

I wonder if he will still be able to do this when he is 31?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8leLlBir91g :D

[FarBeag]

Did you watch the games he participated in during the week and weekend and you still think he is worth a place... Honestly now all jokes aside do you fancy him???

How often have you seen him play or are you basing your assessment of him purely on his last two matches? I don't see Kevin Doyle setting the world alight these days and no one has a bad word to say about him.

[Cymro]

Did you watch the games he participated in during the week and weekend and you still think he is worth a place... Honestly now all jokes aside do you fancy him???

No. Fortunately, I have had the benefit of watching him play 100+ games for Swansea, so am well aware of his ability. ;)

[tetsujin1979]

Ha ha Tetsujin you're so pedantic I knew you'd pounce on that one in a flash.
Given the choice between being pedantic and being wrong, I'll take pedantic every time.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.the42.ie/lee-trundle-penalty-trick-swansea-all-stars-3121113-Dec2016/

[Cymro]

He's still got it. :)