North v South cup competitions

[SolitudeRed]

Have been reading up on the cross border cup competitions and from what I can gather there have been six different competitions in all, Have I missed any out?

Dublin & Belfast Inter-city cup 1941-1949
North-South cup 1961-1963
Blaxnit Cup 1967-1974
Texaco Cup 1973-1975
Tyler cup 1977-1981
Setanta cup 2005-present

The team with the most cup wins is Shamrock Rovers although I'm not sure if they've won 5 or 6 of these cups! Its says on the SRFC site that they won the Tyler cup in 1978 but on other sites I have seen it states that the Tyler cup was not held that year.

I take it they didn't attract much interest hence why most of them didn't last very long or was it more due to security and political concerns that they never suceeded

[seand]

http://www.rsssf.com/tablesa/alliercuphist.html

the Tyler Cup suffered from a lot of crowd trouble, being the late 70s and all.

[Calcio Jack]

[QUOTE=SolitudeRed;722426]Have been reading up on the cross border cup competitions and from what I can gather there have been six different competitions in all, Have I missed any out?

Dublin & Belfast Inter-city cup 1941-1949
North-South cup 1961-1963
Blaxnit Cup 1967-1974
Texaco Cup 1973-1975
Tyler cup 1977-1981
Setanta cup 2005-present

The team with the most cup wins is Shamrock Rovers

Well no surprise there...since we are Ireland's most sucessful club andthe 'cup specialists':D

[Battery Rover]

http://www.rsssf.com/tablesa/alliercuphist.html

the Tyler Cup suffered from a lot of crowd trouble, being the late 70s and all.

Was only about 13 when we played Linfield down here in the Tyler Cup Final Second Leg in 1980 but I remember all the flag burning in the ground, the local knacks pelting everyone with stones from the railway bridge on the way out from Mels plus the fighting and the near full scale riots through the centre of town that day.

[SolitudeRed]

Was only about 13 when we played Linfield down here in the Tyler Cup Final Second Leg in 1980 but I remember all the flag burning in the ground, the local knacks pelting everyone with stones from the railway bridge on the way out from Mels plus the fighting and the near full scale riots through the centre of town that day.

Jesus that sounds mental like was there anybody seriously injured? was there only trouble when Linfield were playing? I suppose its just as well that the Tyler cup was cancelled when it was as I can't imagine what it would have been like if it had taken place with the Hunger Strikes as a background!

Was the Tyler cup held in 1978-9 anyway? and if it was did Shamrock Rovers win it?

[Battery Rover]

Think there was a few split heads nothing major plus a lot of damaged windows throughout the middle of town. The 70s and 80s were the peak for hooliganism and as far as I can remember every club had their "firm" but in the Tyler cup I can only remember Linfield as it was my first cousin who ran onto the pitch and set fire to the Union Jack but as for atmosphere it was electric.

Worst things I can remember in the LOI is coming back from a match in Waterford in a bus without windows and always remember Oriel Park as being the most hostile place imaginable with trouble it seemed every time we played there.

St Mels wasn't a safe haven either. The Athlone lads always had the advantage of the narrow laneway out from the gound and would always be up on the railway lobbing down stones at exiting away fans.

Sure many on here would have similar stories from those days as well

[Rasher]

Was the Tyler cup held in 1978-9 anyway? and if it was did Shamrock Rovers win it?

Rovers beat Finn Harps 1 - 0 in the final at Milltown. Steve Lynex scored the winner.

[SolitudeRed]

Think there was a few split heads nothing major plus a lot of damaged windows throughout the middle of town. The 70s and 80s were the peak for hooliganism and as far as I can remember every club had their "firm" but in the Tyler cup I can only remember Linfield as it was my first cousin who ran onto the pitch and set fire to the Union Jack but as for atmosphere it was electric.

Worst things I can remember in the LOI is coming back from a match in Waterford in a bus without windows and always remember Oriel Park as being the most hostile place imaginable with trouble it seemed every time we played there.

St Mels wasn't a safe haven either. The Athlone lads always had the advantage of the narrow laneway out from the gound and would always be up on the railway lobbing down stones at exiting away fans.

Sure many on here would have similar stories from those days as well

Well its good to see that we have seemingly moved away from this sort of nonsense! Even the Setanta cup has been pretty much hassle free IIRC.


Rovers beat Finn Harps 1 - 0 in the final at Milltown. Steve Lynex scored the winner.

Cheers for clearing that one up for me Rasher!

[oriel]

Solitude, off topic, but just wondering why you had to play your inter toto home games in windsor park. I`ve never been to Solitude but from the tv you can see you have a brand new stand behind one goal (away fans ?) and a decent but old stand on the other side - whats the problem ?

[SolitudeRed]

Solitude, off topic, but just wondering why you had to play your inter toto home games in windsor park. I`ve never been to Solitude but from the tv you can see you have a brand new stand behind one goal (away fans ?) and a decent but old stand on the other side - whats the problem ?


Yes the new stand is the away stand it was built about 5 years ago! the main stand looks alrite from a distance but when you go into it it is pretty run down it was built in the 1950s AFAIK and is in need of a lick of paint, but It always has a good atmosphere!

But the problem was that we couldn't get a license because of our changing room facilities are poor and we didn't have adequate drug testing facilities. A new 1,600 seater stand with all the required facilities is supposed to be getting built behind the other Goal to replace the covered terracing known as the cage. Rumour has it that its going to look like Corks new stand. work was supposed to have started just after the end of the season but was down at Solitude last week and didn't look like anything was happening! hopefully it will be completed in time for the setanta cup!

[Steve Bruce]

[QUOTE=SolitudeRed;722426]Have been reading up on the cross border cup competitions and from what I can gather there have been six different competitions in all, Have I missed any out?

Dublin & Belfast Inter-city cup 1941-1949
North-South cup 1961-1963
Blaxnit Cup 1967-1974
Texaco Cup 1973-1975
Tyler cup 1977-1981
Setanta cup 2005-present

The team with the most cup wins is Shamrock Rovers

Well no surprise there...since we are Ireland's most sucessful club andthe 'cup specialists':D

Do you want me to bring out the Linfield trophy list and compare it to yours?;):D

[GavinZac]

[QUOTE=Calcio Jack;722611]

Do you want me to bring out the Linfield trophy list and compare it to yours?;):D

I'm sure Shamrock Rovers have a few Leinster Senior leagues to their name aswell.

[David]

Was only about 13 when we played Linfield down here in the Tyler Cup Final Second Leg in 1980 but I remember all the flag burning in the ground, the local knacks pelting everyone with stones from the railway bridge on the way out from Mels plus the fighting and the near full scale riots through the centre of town that day.

Was at the game myself although was a couple of years younger than you. Was also there the year before when you beat us 2-1 and if I recall that was pretty much trouble free.

[Steve Bruce]

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I'm sure Shamrock Rovers have a few Leinster Senior leagues to their name aswell.

That old one. Come on Gavin, try and be a bit more clever, try and come up with something original, or is that too much for the fluff that exists between your ears?

[GavinZac]

That old one. Come on Gavin, try and be a bit more clever, try and come up with something original, or is that too much for the fluff that exists between your ears? :o Do you keep a scrapbook or something? :p

[SolitudeRed]

Have Rovers and Linfield played each other much? what was their head to head record like then? how many of these North South cups have Linfield won?

[gspain]

Here are the winners

Dublin & Belfast Intercity Cup

1941-42 Dundalk 1-0 Shamrock Rovers
1942-43 Shamrock Rovers 2-2 Bohemians (on aggregate, Shamrock Rovers won on corners)
1943-44 Glentoran 5-4 Belfast Celtic (on aggregate)
1944-45 Bohemians 3-2 Belfast Celtic (on aggregate)
1945-46 Shamrock Rovers 3-2 Belfast Celtic (on aggregate)
1946-47 Shamrock Rovers 4-1 Drumcondra (on aggregate)
1947-48 Belfast Celtic 2 Distillery 1 2nd leg not played and declared joint winners
1948-49 Shamrock Rovers 3-0 Dundalk

North-South Cup
1961-62 Linfield
1962-63 Glentoran






Blaxnit Cup Finals

1967-68 Shamrock Rovers 3-2 Crusaders (on aggregate)
1968-69 Coleraine 4-3 Shamrock Rovers (on aggregate)
1969-70 Coleraine 4-2 Sligo Rovers (on aggregate)
1970-71 Linfield 3-2 Cork Hibernians (on aggregate)
1971-72 Cork Hibernians 5-3 Coleraine (on aggregate)
1972-73 Glentoran 6-2 Cork Hibernians (on aggregate)-
1973-74 Ards 3-1 Ballymena United



Texaco Cup Finals

1973-74 Portadown 5-3 Bohemians (on aggregate)
1974-75 Waterford 1-0 Linfield (on aggregate)


Tyler Cup finals

1978 Shamrock Rovers 1 Finn Harps 0
1979 Athlone Town 3-2 Drogheda United (on aggregate)
1980 Linfield 2-1 Athlone Town (on aggregate)

Setanta

2005 Linfield
2006 Drogheda
2007 Drogheda

[Nesta99]

What was the Irish News cup played during the 90's i think? It is not mentioned above so is it under another name or a total figment of my imagination:o

[SolitudeRed]

What was the Irish News cup played during the 90's i think? It is not mentioned above so is it under another name or a total figment of my imagination:o

Irish News cup? That doesn't ring a bell with me may be a bit before my time though, Chances are that there was an Irish News cup but that it was probably for GAA knowing the Irish News!

[Nesta99]

I have vague recollection of Dundalk being beating beaten by Limavady Utd and finding it quite amusing. Def not GAA. Dont know what the qualification criteria was though 95/96 could have been league champions.

[superfrank]

1942-43 Shamrock Rovers 2-2 Bohemians (on aggregate, Shamrock Rovers won on corners)
Are you for real?

[holidaysong]

Are you for real?

Yeah it was used a lot back in the day around the world to decide the result. A good system too in my opinion. The attacking team gets rewarded. Better than a coin toss anyway!

[superfrank]

Yeah it was used a lot back in the day around the world to decide the result. A good system too in my opinion. The attacking team gets rewarded. Better than a coin toss anyway!
I suppose it was a good idea. What would happen if both teams had the same number of corners? Shots on goal?

[SolitudeRed]

Apparently Shamrock Rovers also won the now defunct Dublin City Cup twice on corners as well! obviously they are corner specialists as well as cup specialists!

[gspain]

The Irish News Cup was limited to teams from around the border so teams did not qualify on merit. Ballymena did reach the final one year and it's hardly a border area I appreciate but this was not a true north v south competition open to all.

As has been pointed out corners were used in the past to decide certain cup ties including the 1943 Inter city Cup final. 1 leg of which was played at Windsor Park. I think it is unliekly that Rovers will play Bohs again there. ;)
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[SolitudeRed]

The Irish News Cup was limited to teams from around the border so teams did not qualify on merit. Ballymena did reach the final one year and it's hardly a border area I appreciate but this was not a true north v south competition open to all.

As has been pointed out corners were used in the past to decide certain cup ties including the 1943 Inter city Cup final. 1 leg of which was played at Windsor Park. I think it is unliekly that Rovers will play Bohs again there. ;)
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That is quite strange! Belfast is closer to the border than Ballymena is! how many years did this Irish News cup run for?

you never know Rovers and Bohs could play each other in a Setanta cup final in Belfast! doesn't it alternate between Belfast and Dublin!

[GavinZac]

you never know Rovers and Bohs could play each other in a Setanta cup final in Belfast! doesn't it alternate between Belfast and Dublin!

I think the arrangement is that it alternates, unless both finalists are from the same association, in which case its hosted by that association.

For example, it was due to be played in N.Ireland this year, which meant the winners of Cork v Linfield would be at home for the final - Linfield, as the N.Ireland representatives, and Cork since drogs were already there and both united park and tolka park were unsuitable at the time.

[fbtn]

There was major trouble at many of the games during the Tyler Cup.

People in Ballybofey still talk about the visits of Linfield and Glentoran. It was total mayhem.

[dcfcsteve]

The Irish News Cup was limited to teams from around the border so teams did not qualify on merit. Ballymena did reach the final one year and it's hardly a border area I appreciate but this was not a true north v south competition open to all.

As has been pointed out corners were used in the past to decide certain cup ties including the 1943 Inter city Cup final. 1 leg of which was played at Windsor Park. I think it is unliekly that Rovers will play Bohs again there. ;)
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The Irish News Cup sprung out of the old Ulster Tyre Cup competition that was a North-West trophy.

Initially involving just Derry and Harps, it got extended over the years to include Limavady, Coleraine, Omagh, Sligo and possibly Fanad (?). Ballymena were also included, though I didn't know that Dundalk were in it as well

[seand]

Dundalk played in the Irish News Cup at least once in the late 90s. We got hammered by Derry something like 8-1 on aggregate one year, maybe 97-8. Conceded 17 or 18 against Derry in five games that season!

[s-side hoop]

Jesus that sounds mental like was there anybody seriously injured? was there only trouble when Linfield were playing? I suppose its just as well that the Tyler cup was cancelled when it was as I can't imagine what it would have been like if it had taken place with the Hunger Strikes as a background!

Was the Tyler cup held in 1978-9 anyway? and if it was did Shamrock Rovers win it?

believe it or not some of the worst trouble ever seen in Milltown was when Cliftonville came down for the day, or so Im led to believe from some of our older fans. apparently they wrecked the place and took over the shed on a wednesday afternoon.

[WeAreRovers]

believe it or not some of the worst trouble ever seen in Milltown was when Cliftonville came down for the day, or so Im led to believe from some of our older fans. apparently they wrecked the place and took over the shed on a wednesday afternoon.

AFAIK they were the only ones to ever take the Shed. It was 1979, just after Cliftonville won the league. Our older lot still hate Cliftonville because of it. They were all in school as every knacker from North Belfast descended on Milltown.

There was an apology in the Wee Red fanzine ten years later saying that they weren't Cliftonville fans but toerags who latched on the club after league win and disappeared soon afterwards.

All of the above open to correction by Hoops or Reds over 40. ;)

KOH

[OneRedArmy]

There was an apology in the Wee Red fanzine ten years later saying that they weren't Cliftonville fans but toerags who latched on the club after league win and disappeared soon afterwards. Only to reappear in the early/mid 90's supporting Rovers in the Brandywell?;)

[David]

Have Rovers and Linfield played each other much? what was their head to head record like then? how many of these North South cups have Linfield won?

Only one I recall is the European Cup game when Linfield progressed thanks to a goal from a certain David Jeffrey at Milltown.

[David]

There was major trouble at many of the games during the Tyler Cup.

People in Ballybofey still talk about the visits of Linfield and Glentoran. It was total mayhem.

I recall Linfield being 5-1 down at Ballybofey with about 15 minutes left and came back to draw 5-5, only to go out on penalties.

[David]

AFAIK they were the only ones to ever take the Shed. It was 1979, just after Cliftonville won the league.

It was the cup they won, not the league. When they won it in 1998 it was their first title in 80 years.

[WeAreRovers]

It was the cup they won, not the league. When they won it in 1998 it was their first title in 80 years.

Thought I might have that wrong. Was it their first ever senior title? It was big deal either way.

KOH

[dancinpants]

Dundalk played in the Irish News Cup at least once in the late 90s. We got hammered by Derry something like 8-1 on aggregate one year, maybe 97-8. Conceded 17 or 18 against Derry in five games that season!

It was 96-97, the year we last won the league. Beat Sligo in the finals, 5-4 on aggregate after Sligo won the first leg 3-0, and went 1-0 up at the Brandy :D . Basically turned out to be an U21's match.

Think it was held the following year, can't mind who won it - was it Harps? :confused:

Eventually just died a death. Steve I don't think it had anything to do with the Ulster Tyre Cup did it? I could have swore that was long gone before the Irish News Cup swung around.

[SolitudeRed]

Only one I recall is the European Cup game when Linfield progressed thanks to a goal from a certain David Jeffrey at Milltown.

Thats right it was a draw in both matches Linfield went through on away goals didn't they? when was that early 80s?

Also recall hearing that Linfield played Dundalk in Europe as well around that time and one of the ties had to be played in England or something due to security concerns!

[SolitudeRed]

AFAIK they were the only ones to ever take the Shed. It was 1979, just after Cliftonville won the league. Our older lot still hate Cliftonville because of it. They were all in school as every knacker from North Belfast descended on Milltown.

There was an apology in the Wee Red fanzine ten years later saying that they weren't Cliftonville fans but toerags who latched on the club after league win and disappeared soon afterwards.

All of the above open to correction by Hoops or Reds over 40. ;)

KOH

Never heard bout that one before! although it is a bit before my time! Its strange though because I thought Cliftonville and Shamrock Rovers fans got on well! I've seen Rovers/Cliftonville T-shirts before!

[holidaysong]

... Linfield played Dundalk in Europe as well around that time and one of the ties had to be played in England or something due to security concerns!

It was the Netherlands.

[David]

Thats right it was a draw in both matches Linfield went through on away goals didn't they? when was that early 80s?

Also recall hearing that Linfield played Dundalk in Europe as well around that time and one of the ties had to be played in England or something due to security concerns!

Shamrock Rovers-Linfield game was 0-0 in Belfast and 1-1 in Milltown. Linfield fans were banned from Milltown as it was in the wake of the trouble at the Bohs v Rangers game although a few hundred still went. It was in 1984. Dundalk game was 1979. 1-1 at Oriel with serious trouble which resulted in Linfield being punished and their home game being played in Holland with the Blues losing 2-0.

[WeAreRovers]

Never heard bout that one before! although it is a bit before my time! Its strange though because I thought Cliftonville and Shamrock Rovers fans got on well! I've seen Rovers/Cliftonville T-shirts before!

It's true alright young man, but since the late 80s relations between both sets have been very good, visits to each other's games, t-shirts, fanzines etc.

As for the EC 1984 v Linfield....looking forward to revenge in the Setanta next year!

KOH