Setanta Good or bad?

[kdjaC]

Lots of people have been mentioning that they are bad for EL cos they show PL , they also show afaik French German and Portugese football.

Are they bad for the EL? they rearrange games from fridays so they dont clash with some rugby thing thats on fridays. They show a lot of games a season(by my count more than RTE have in the last 5 years) and thats just this season.

Clubs get 5k off them for live games and people get the chance to not travel to the games as its on tv, i know Pats have suffered big time with monday games, others can be hard to judge.

I gonna go with yes even tho Felix and Pat are on it is a good thing for the EL as it at the very least creates a TV based fan based following of certain clubs (i know 2 people who watch us on it, wont go to a game but still are Pats fans and will watch us on tv)

its what we always wanted just done wrong sort of. I have Setanta on Sky and only for one game us vs Dungannon away couldnt get to it seems im stuck with it for the year, otherwise never watch the 9 channels i got.


kdjac

[Dodge]

I have Setanta on Sky and only for one game us vs Dungannon away couldnt get to it seems im stuck with it for the year, otherwise never watch the 9 channels i got.


I'd watch Aussie Rugby League and some of the european football. NASN for college ball and CFL. When premiership starts, Setanta's going to explode


As for the queston, any TV station that consistently shows the league is OK by me. Just wish they'd get behind a proper highlights show. I think if the FAI packaged one together Setanta would show it

[Anto McC]

We're finally getting a chance to watch an EL game on an almost regular basis and thats with thanks to Setanta,who've also given RTE a kick up the arse on this too.

Maybe worth a poll?

[kdjaC]

I'd watch Aussie Rugby League and some of the european football. NASN for college ball and CFL. When premiership starts, Setanta's going to explode



Fair enough thats more a channel thing tho, its not setantas fault i watch golf and basketball on sky im sure when everything goes to setanta i will watch it there and keep subbing up to them :(


kdjac

[mypost]

Are they bad for the EL? they rearrange games from fridays so they dont clash with some rugby thing thats on fridays. They show a lot of games a season(by my count more than RTE have in the last 5 years) and thats just this season.

Clubs get 5k off them for live games and people get the chance to not travel to the games as its on tv, i know Pats have suffered big time with monday games, others can be hard to judge.

its what we always wanted just done wrong sort of. I have Setanta on Sky and only for one game us vs Dungannon away couldnt get to it seems im stuck with it for the year, otherwise never watch the 9 channels i got.

I have no problem with them showing games on Monday nights, as long as it's announced before the start of the season. This practice of re-arranging matches at 2 weeks notice, really screws people up. :mad:

[kdjaC]

I have no problem with them showing games on Monday nights, as long as it's announced before the start of the season. This practice of re-arranging matches at 2 weeks notice, really screws people up. :mad:

We playing you on a tues? Will it affect attd?


kdjac

[dcfcsteve]

Fcuk sake.

We spend years complaining about a lack of coverage for our league - and then when a channel does go to the effort of showing games regularly, not to mention putting serious money into a new cross-border tournament, they get scrutinised and criticised for it.

Why don't we ask Setanta to move their headquarters building a few inches to the left for us whilst we're at it ?

Makes you wonder why any channel would even bother with us to be honest......

[kdjaC]

Fcuk sake.

We spend years complaining about a lack of coverage for our league - and then when a channel does go to the effort of showing games regularly, not to mention putting serious money into a new cross-border tournament, they get scrutinised and criticised for it.

Why don't we ask Setanta to move their headquarters building a few inches to the left for us whilst we're at it ?

Makes you wonder why any channel would even bother with us to be honest......

So is it good or bad that games that are on tv have lower attd than games are not on tv. And is it good or bad that its Setanta and not RTE or TGA or Tv3.....

I mean how hard is to read the posts, its not really, it just takes a second or 2, before you hit REPLY try READING the posts.

Thought it fairly balanced meself :(

kdjac

[dcfcsteve]

So is it good or bad that games that are on tv have lower attd than games are not on tv. And is it good or bad that its Setanta and not RTE or TGA or Tv3.....

I mean how hard is to read the posts, its not really, it just takes a second or 2, before you hit REPLY try READING the posts.

Thought it fairly balanced meself :(

kdjac

1) It's good that our league is on TV. Full Stop. We're fcuked without the oxygen of publicity.

2) The attendances thing is irrelevant. If you assume average entry paid to a televised game is €10 (i.e. average of adult, student and kids tickets) then with €5k being given to the home club by Setanta a club would have to loose 500 off their gate for it to not be financially worthwhile. In a league where the type of clubs likely to be televised probably only average 2-2,500 per game. Show me a televised game that has seen attendance drop by over 500 as adirect response....?

3) I read the posts. That's why i responded. I can't believe how ridiculous it is to criticise the only TV channel doing anything of note for our game here. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I didn't read your, or other, posts.

All publicity is good for our league, an we're far from in a position to be fussy about what we get. And as shown above, it's a net-contributor to the money in our game. So that's the answer.

[kdjaC]

3) I read the posts. That's why i responded. I can't believe how ridiculous it is to criticise the only TV channel doing anything of note for our game here. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I didn't read your, or other, posts.


Who is critising?


kdjac

[dcfcsteve]

Who is critising?


kdjac

Look at your opening line on this thread :


Lots of people have been mentioning that they are bad for EL....

[dancinpants]

I live in the states and subscribe to Sh!tanta. Emailed them asking why, I couldn't get coverage of an Irish football tournament sponsered by them and THEM being an "Irish" company....it all made sense to me. The response? To put it in simple terms, "Irish football is sh!t".

Ahh yeah coz everyone in the states is fallin over themselves to watch Aussie Rules!!! Average Joe football fan, who watches MLS is gonna watch coverage of EL before he tunes into Aussie Rules FFS. But does that register with the wee small minds in Setanta? NO!!! Setanta AREN'T Irish, they are propping up what destroys the league in Ireland. :mad:

[Kivlehan]

I live in the states and subscribe to Sh!tanta. Emailed them asking why, I couldn't get coverage of an Irish football tournament sponsered by them and THEM being an "Irish" company....it all made sense to me. The response? To put it in simple terms, "Irish football is sh!t".

Ahh yeah coz everyone in the states is fallin over themselves to watch Aussie Rules!!! Average Joe football fan, who watches MLS is gonna watch coverage of EL before he tunes into Aussie Rules FFS. But does that register with the wee small minds in Setanta? NO!!! Setanta AREN'T Irish, they are propping up what destroys the league in Ireland. :mad:

I was surprised that the Setanta Cup final wasn't on the USA's version of Setanta Sports either. Fortunately my uncle has a Setenta Online account and I watched it through that. Unfortunately coverage stopped right before the penalties! Oh well.

I agree re: definitely too much Aussie Rules plus there's a little too much rugby for my tastes and to be honest I can't get into hurling or gaelic football though I watched parts of a few matches in an effort to. I don't recall ever seeing a League of Ireland game on the schedule of the US version.

[dancinpants]

I was surprised that the Setanta Cup final wasn't on the USA's version of Setanta Sports either. Fortunately my uncle has a Setenta Online account and I watched it through that. Unfortunately coverage stopped right before the penalties! Oh well.

I agree re: definitely too much Aussie Rules plus there's a little too much rugby for my tastes and to be honest I can't get into hurling or gaelic football though I watched parts of a few matches in an effort to. I don't recall ever seeing a League of Ireland game on the schedule of the US version.

The closest I've got was Derry away to PSG and even then it was on a 3 hour delay or some sh!t like that...because they decided to show West Ham instead - Setanta, Irish? Not a chance. :mad:

[dancinpants]

Fcuk sake.

We spend years complaining about a lack of coverage for our league - and then when a channel does go to the effort of showing games regularly, not to mention putting serious money into a new cross-border tournament, they get scrutinised and criticised for it.

Why don't we ask Setanta to move their headquarters building a few inches to the left for us whilst we're at it ?

Makes you wonder why any channel would even bother with us to be honest......

I think some people call it "lip service" steve. Whats wrong with showing coverage of the EL over here? Why would an IRISH satellite station NOT cover Irish football? At what point does that make sense? "Lets keep the Germans, Italians, French, English, and Scottish happy - we're Irish but fcuk the Irish". :mad:

[Poor Student]

1) It's good that our league is on TV. Full Stop. We're fcuked without the oxygen of publicity.


Good God. Let's not suspend all critical thinking just because the league now has a regular TV deal. We can still engage in discourse about cons of the TV deal. In the main it's very positive but that's not to say there aren't some problems.

For those attacking the Irishness of Setanta, I don't think that's very fair. They show Irish ice hockey, Irish cricket, Leinster schools rugby, they're pretty supportive of small scale Irish sport.

[eirebhoy]

its what we always wanted just done wrong sort of. I have Setanta on Sky and only for one game us vs Dungannon away couldnt get to it seems im stuck with it for the year, otherwise never watch the 9 channels i got.
I'm surprised by that. :) Not watch Italian, French, German, Dutch, Portuguese football? I watch Setanta a lot more than Sky Sports.


For those attacking the Irishness of Setanta, I don't think that's very fair. They show Irish ice hockey, Irish cricket, Leinster schools rugby, they're pretty supportive of small scale Irish sport.
They had some hockey tournament running too.

http://www.hockey.ie/setanta/

[gspain]

Setanta's coverage is a positive thing for the league. It doesn't matter that they also show English, Scottish, French and German football.

I appreciate clubs lose revenue when games are moved to a Monday night however there are other compensations. People get to see your team that would not normally go and may decide to go.

Furthermore and this is really key club sponsors get more exposure. They get their product on live tv and very obvious. With technologies like Sky+ many people rarely if ever watch adverts anymore.

[bohs til i die]

1) It's good that our league is on TV. Full Stop. We're fcuked without the oxygen of publicity.

2) The attendances thing is irrelevant. If you assume average entry paid to a televised game is €10 (i.e. average of adult, student and kids tickets) then with €5k being given to the home club by Setanta a club would have to loose 500 off their gate for it to not be financially worthwhile. In a league where the type of clubs likely to be televised probably only average 2-2,500 per game. Show me a televised game that has seen attendance drop by over 500 as adirect response....?

All publicity is good for our league, an we're far from in a position to be fussy about what we get. And as shown above, it's a net-contributor to the money in our game. So that's the answer.

Thats a very simplistic view dcfcsteve. Bohs last played a home game on a Friday night on May 11th and wont play another home game on a Friday night until August 10th because of games being switched to Monday nights [our home game with Derry is put back 24 hours because of Derry's European game].

Our crowds for Monday night games are down compared to what they would be on Friday nights. At the start of last season, after 3 defeats in a row we played Waterford Utd in front of 1752 people at Dalymount.

We are doing much better this year and recently played Waterford on a Monday night in front of 1230 people.

Add in a drop in programme sales, bar takings would drop significantly and the €5k for moving the game doesnt look so attractive afterall.

Setanta showed a fukking GAA re-run for the zillionth time on Friday evening when they could easily have shown Bohs v Bray on Friday night and put the GAA on Monday instead.

[Dodge]

Setanta's coverage is a positive thing for the league. It doesn't matter that they also show English, Scottish, French and German football

I'd say it actually helps legitimise the league in the view of some TV viewers. Being stuck on TG4 gives the oppurtunity for some to dismiss us as parochial

Oh and the dip in gate receipts should be more than made up with the fre publicity.

[superfrank]

I think it is good. At least in Pat Dolan and Felix Healy they have people who may be somewhat recognisable to the public. Dolan has a column in the papers doesn't he? And Healy's a former NI International, WC player too.

I love Setanta. I watch all the football. German, Dutch, French, English, Scottish, Italian, Portuguese and Irish. I don't compare the quality. I don't care who's playing. I simply love to watch football. As well as that they have F1, hockey and the GAA. So for people like me it will attract them to watch el football, maybe before they wouldn't have.

I prefer the TG4 coverage though. It's better organised and it's as Gaeilge, another bonus, and at least the "foreign" game here is being backed by gaelgóirs, which is also good.

Anyway, I think Setanta IS good for the el. It's more exposure, more revenue, more sponsorship. The game time changing is frankly annoying but at least this Monday I get to watch MY team play on the telly when I can't go to see it. That's very good.

[dcfcsteve]

I think some people call it "lip service" steve. Whats wrong with showing coverage of the EL over here? Why would an IRISH satellite station NOT cover Irish football? At what point does that make sense? "Lets keep the Germans, Italians, French, English, and Scottish happy - we're Irish but fcuk the Irish". :mad:

Because sadly Irish people in the main want to watch German, Spanish, Italan, English etc football over the Irish variety.

We all know that. It's got fcuk all to do with supposedly pleasing certain nationalities.

[DaveyCakes]

Because sadly Irish people in the main want to watch German, Spanish, Italan, English etc football over the Irish variety.

We all know that. It's got fcuk all to do with supposedly pleasing certain nationalities.


Their coverage of European footy dropped considerably over the last few months of the season..

[LukeO]

Thats a very simplistic view dcfcsteve. Bohs last played a home game on a Friday night on May 11th and wont play another home game on a Friday night until August 10th because of games being switched to Monday nights [our home game with Derry is put back 24 hours because of Derry's European game].

Our crowds for Monday night games are down compared to what they would be on Friday nights. At the start of last season, after 3 defeats in a row we played Waterford Utd in front of 1752 people at Dalymount.

We are doing much better this year and recently played Waterford on a Monday night in front of 1230 people.

Add in a drop in programme sales, bar takings would drop significantly and the €5k for moving the game doesnt look so attractive afterall.

Setanta showed a fukking GAA re-run for the zillionth time on Friday evening when they could easily have shown Bohs v Bray on Friday night and put the GAA on Monday instead.

Have to agree with all that, our game tomorrow will be third home game in two months switched to Monday to suit Setanta. This is costing us a ****ing fortune in lost bar income, lower gates and in other matchday income. It wouldn't bother me as much if the games were switched to a Saturday evening but Monday night football is a disaster.

[Kivlehan]

It would be nice if they could at least show a game of the week from the League of Ireland on the US version. Feature one game each week. Wouldn't kill them would it? Run one less replay of some match from five years ago or one less Aussie Rules match and you've got the spot. If ESPN can find a spot for MLS, surely Setanta can find one for a League of Ireland game too?

[Dodge]

It would be nice if they could at least show a game of the week from the League of Ireland on the US version. Feature one game each week. Wouldn't kill them would it? Run one less replay of some match from five years ago or one less Aussie Rules match and you've got the spot. If ESPN can find a spot for MLS, surely Setanta can find one for a League of Ireland game too?

They are completely separate channels.

[mypost]

I prefer the TG4 coverage though. It's better organised and it's as Gaeilge, another bonus.

That's a switch-off attraction for me. :o

You may as well have matches in Japanese as in Irish, as most people watching, understand as much of both of them.

[superfrank]

That's a switch-off attraction for me. :o
To each his own.

[bohs til i die]

Oh and the dip in gate receipts should be more than made up with the fre publicity.


I dont know what the Setanta viewing figures are like but I'd imagine a lot of fans of other clubs would watch the games on TV so the publicity to fans of your rivals is worth sweet fukk all.

[osarusan]

They are completely separate channels.

I think his point was that if a US channel can be successful while devoting time to the national league in the US, surely Setanta can do the same with the eL.

[CollegeTillIDie]

I think some clarity needs to be brought in here the 5k is made up as follows.
Home team gets 3k and visitors get 2k. Now given that dynamic Bohs are losing a fortune everytime they are on telly directly. Indirectly they may be able to get more advertising and sponsorship revenues.... cause they are on TV more.
It's hard to know in the short term what is best. Bohemians becoming better known through being on TV will in the medium term make them more marketable and therefore more interesting to potential advertisers.

My lot are playing Rovers on Monday 16th in Tolka. It will be interesting to see if the home support is reduced noticeably by a) being on a Monday and b) being live on TV. And of course it won't look great cause only our travelling support ( a tiny fraction of our core home support) will be seen because we will have the main Richmond Road stand given we are the visitors.

As regards TG4, their coverage is excellent. The commentator, Gary McDonnachada used to present a weekly sports magazine show called SportIris on the station about 10 years ago or so. Charlie McGeever regularly did an EL round up on that programme. Other occasional contributors included Aidan Fitzmaurice ( then with The Title). So at least the participants are knowledgeable. Shame about the viewing audience most of whom don't know their own language but that's for another thread, or possibly even a different message board entirely.

[Dodge]

I dont know what the Setanta viewing figures are like but I'd imagine a lot of fans of other clubs would watch the games on TV so the publicity to fans of your rivals is worth sweet fukk all.

Not to your sponsors its not. And I think you're massively underestimating how many people will watch whatever football is on TV. Most of the lads I work with have a minimal interest in the LOI but would probably watch most games on Setanta on monday nights

[Schumi]

the 5k is made up as follows.
Home team gets 3k and visitors get 2k. I thought it was €5k for the home team and €2.5k for the away team.

Does anyone know what kind of viewing figures Setanta get for EL games?

[Dodge]

I thought CTID was right regarding the figures

A setanta guy told a Pats marketing man this year they were "happy with the figures" No idea what that means

[londonhoop]

Have to agree with all that, our game tomorrow will be third home game in two months switched to Monday to suit Setanta. This is costing us a ****ing fortune in lost bar income, lower gates and in other matchday income. It wouldn't bother me as much if the games were switched to a Saturday evening but Monday night football is a disaster.
Before you post you should probably do some research otherwise you will just make youself look like an idiot.
Setanta only have the rights to show eircom league on a monday night,this was the only package available to them and they took it.


Regarding the viewing figures,around 90k per match.

[Dodge]

Before you post you should probably do some research otherwise you will just make youself look like an idiot.
Oooh you're going to look silly



Setanta only have the rights to show eircom league on a monday night,this was the only package available to them and they took it.

There are no packages. They can show games whenever they want, and have shown games on a Thursday already this year. They choose to show them on a Monday

[dcfcsteve]

That's a switch-off attraction for me. :o

You may as well have matches in Japanese as in Irish, as most people watching, understand as much of both of them.

Nonesense to suggest Irish people understand as much Irish as they do Japanese......... :o

And not everyone is as ignorant of their own national language as you'd like to believe...

[dcfcsteve]

I thought it was €5k for the home team and €2.5k for the away team.

Does anyone know what kind of viewing figures Setanta get for EL games?

As far as I'm aware, they don't publish viewing figures.

[dcfcsteve]

Most of the lads I work with have a minimal interest in the LOI but would probably watch most games on Setanta on monday nights

Anecdotally - when I tell people in England that I'm a fan of Irish football, the odd one can tell me of a game that they've seen on Setanta (e.g. Bohs v Waterford).

This has happened to me twice already this season.

[osarusan]

私は Osaru です。サカーが大好きです。ｓｅｔａｎｔａ　ｶﾌﾟを見たいです。

[Stevo Da Gull]

Good or Bad? Very good! F'ing brilliant compared to what we had not too long ago.
Thank you Setanta Sports.

[Dodge]

私は Osaru です。サカーが大好きです。ｓｅｔａｎｔａ　ｶﾌﾟを見たいです。


Couldn't agree more!

[Schumi]

As far as I'm aware, they don't publish viewing figures.
Doesn't mean that there couldn't be someone here who would know!

[dcfcsteve]

Doesn't mean that there couldn't be someone here who would know!

Step out of the shadows, Mr Insider.... :D

[micls]

edit.

[pineapple stu]

Overall, it's been great for the league; can't really argue with that.

That said, I agree with the reservations about switching games to Mondays, and I'd swap 10 or 15 live games for a highlights package. But that's intended as constructive criticism rather than Setanta bashing really.

Do TV3 have sole rights to a highlights package? Or is it more a case that Setanta won't waste their time doing what someone else is already doing?

[Dr.Nightdub]

Doesn't mean that there couldn't be someone here who would know!

I'll ask our ad agency tomorrow

[dcfcsteve]

Looked like a poor crowd at Bohs v Bray tonight.

But I'd hazard a guess that was as much to do with the foul weather and relatively unexciting tie, as to it being on telly....?

[superfrank]

Looked like a poor crowd at Bohs v Bray tonight.

But I'd hazard a guess that was as much to do with the foul weather and relatively unexciting tie, as to it being on telly....?
And a Monday night.......you know just after the weekend.

[Raheny Red]

Looked like a poor crowd at Bohs v Bray tonight.

But I'd hazard a guess that was as much to do with the foul weather and relatively unexciting tie, as to it being on telly....?

The Star said 2,000 this morning :eek: