Torres & Liverpool

[ForzaHoop]

Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez is closing in on a deal that should see Fernando Torres move to Anfield.

Djibril Cisse is the latest player to be offered to Atletico Madrid to try and limit the amount of cash included in the deal.

Atletico president Enrique Cerezo has already started preparing fans for the exit of Torres by stating today (Tuesday 26th) that there is nothing he can do to stop the player signing for Liverpool.

KopTalk sources insist that the player has turned down the opportunity to be shown the training facilities at Melwood after declaring his intentions to join the club regardless, providing a fee can be agreed with his current employers.

Staff at Melwood, Liverpool's training ground, are on site and are ready to proceed with a medical at a minute's notice.

Rafa has already stipulated that he wants Torres on Merseyside as soon as a deal looks close, so that the player can be ferried to Melwood immediately because of possible late interference from Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United.

[gustavo]

Tellingly none of the big 2 in Spain or the Italian clubs are interested

[Risteard]

I don't know Gustavo.
His goalscoring record is brilliant.
Being an atletico diehard probably rules out joining the big two more than playing for any other Spanish club.

[Seano]

I don't know Gustavo.
His goalscoring record is brilliant.
Being an atletico diehard probably rules out joining the big two more than playing for any other Spanish club.

His goalscoring record is ok, he's definitely not prolific, so I hope supporters don't expect too much of him.

League only
2006/2007 14 in 36 games
2005/2006 13 in 36 games
2004/2005 16 in 37 games
2003/2004 19 in 35 games
2002/2003 13 in 29 games

[Risteard]

Looks very good to me.
Not brilliant I suppose but Atletico haven't been a top team recently.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Not brilliant I suppose but Atletico haven't been a top team recently.
That's never a problem for top goalscorers.

Personally I can't see why there's so much hype about him, granted though I haven't seen him play all that much.

[noby]

Nor have I. But from those figures you have to say he's been consistent over the last few years. It's not a huge leap for a manager to think he could turn him into a 20+ goalscorer.

[Steve Bruce]

75 goals in 173 games. Hardly aww inspiring.

His career is 82 goals in 212 games. Compare that to Van Nistlerooy he has scored 212 goals in 354 games.

[Risteard]

Playing for Man. United, Real Madrid and alongside Luc Nilis for PSV.
Must be noted.
Atletico haven't been a top 6 team in 10 years so its the equivalent of someone having that strike rate over 5 years with Charlton.

[Steve Bruce]

Darren Bent has scored 31 goals in 68 games for Ipswich. Still a better ratio.

He has scored 78 Career goals in 190 games which includes worse teams than Torres. Ipswich and Charlton are worse than Athletico.


Also Van Nistlerooys statistics included 100 games and scoring only 30 goals for FC Den Bosch and Harenveen in his early career.

[Risteard]

Ipswich play in the Championship. Those Charlton figures are impressive

[gustavo]

Villas record is superior and would be a better signing for any team
Sporting de Gijón 80 (38)
Real Zaragoza 73 (31)
Valencia 71 (40)
so thats a career total of 109 goals in 224 not bad at all!

[Risteard]

I don't see why he'd leave valencia though.
Similar to when the british papers were saying Tottenham were keeping an eye on Freddie Kanoute.
Whoop de ****ing doo.
Why would he go there?*




*excluding the offer of ridiculous money.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Atletico haven't been a top 6 team in 10 years so its the equivalent of someone having that strike rate over 5 years with Charlton.
Charlton have been a mid table team for the most part and were relegated last year. Comparing them to Athletico Madrid who are usually close to Europe is ridiculous.

[Bungle]

Can't say I've seen Torres much but he's been captain of Athletico since he was very young, which suggests that he brings a very strong personality to the table. That's just what Pool need in a striker.

He also is a creater of goals. I think if he plays up front with Kuyt, both could get 15-20 goals. I also fancy him to work well with Crouch.

[Seano]

Can't say I've seen Torres much but he's been captain of Athletico since he was very young, which suggests that he brings a very strong personality to the table. That's just what Pool need in a striker.

He also is a creater of goals. I think if he plays up front with Kuyt, both could get 15-20 goals. I also fancy him to work well with Crouch.

How do you reckon he's a creater of goals, if you haven't seen him play much?

[Sheridan]

Torres is the most overvalued player in Europe. Living off supposed potential his whole career. Never going to be intelligent enough to make it big.

[Risteard]

Charlton have been a mid table team for the most part and were relegated last year. Comparing them to Athletico Madrid who are usually close to Europe is ridiculous.
I don't know but imagine Atletico haven't qualified for Europe in ages whereas i think Charlton have.
Open to correction.
PS. Atletico relegated 6years ago aswell.

[Sheridan]

Atletico are a much bigger club than Charlton, there's just no comparison. Atletico are on the verge of signing Forlán and Riquelme, can't see either of them lining out for Charlton this side of 2010...

Torres to Liverpool is a done deal. ~£20m plus Luis Garcia. About £16m plus Luis Garcia over the odds...

[GavinZac]

Atletico are a much bigger club than Charlton, there's just no comparison. Atletico are on the verge of signing Forlán and Riquelme, can't see either of them lining out for Charlton this side of 2010...

Torres to Liverpool is a done deal. ~£20m plus Luis Garcia. About £16m plus Luis Garcia over the odds...

bigger does not mean better.

[red rovers]

liverpool closing in on torres http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6239286.stm

[red rovers]

I don't know but imagine Atletico haven't qualified for Europe in ages whereas i think Charlton have.
Open to correction.
PS. Atletico relegated 6years ago aswell.

charlton in their whole history as a club since they got founded in 1905 have never got into europe.

[Lim till i die]

I don't know but imagine Atletico haven't qualified for Europe in ages whereas i think Charlton have.
Open to correction.
PS. Atletico relegated 6years ago aswell.

Athletico are a huge club, the fourth most successful in Spanish football history.

That you could try and compare them unfavourably to Charlton is mind boggling tbh

[Bungle]

How do you reckon he's a creater of goals, if you haven't seen him play much?

I was told by a Spanish mate that he is more of a link player than an out and out striker.

[fitzyjr]

fernando torres is over-rated. and even if he was the top striker in la liga, which he isnt, there is no guarentee that he'll be good playing english football. lets not forget how different the two styles of play are. i know it is not a good example to pick but- diego forlan. he was perhaps one of the greatest flops to grace the premiership, and then played brilliant once he rrived in spain. the style just didnt suit him. the same could become of torres.

[Risteard]

LTID, read my post.
I'm not comparing them unfavourably or talking about their history.
Just to unboggle the mind, I was stating that Torres has scored those goals over a 5 or 6 year period where Atletico have been as successful as Charlton.
Point taken rr, thought they wer in the Intertoto.

[red rovers]

ian rush reconks liverpool right to break bank for torres http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=474756&CPID=8&clid=14&lid=&title=Torres+right+for+Reds+-+Rush&channel=Premiership&

[anto1208]

Is he on about chopping down:p trees

[red rovers]

Is he on about chopping down:p trees

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[DmanDmythDledge]

Rush doesn't have a clue what he's on about if he think Torres is a natural goalscorer.

[Steve Bruce]

At least Rush accepts that Liverpool will not win the league next season. They are still 2 seasons away IMO to stand any real chance.

[red rovers]

see here http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=474815&CPID=8&clid=14&lid=&title=Fowler+hails+Torres+coup

[DmanDmythDledge]

"His record is 82 goals in 200 games for Atletico, I think," Fowler told Sky Sports News. "His record has been fantastic in Spain.

Again, like Ian Rush, he's way off the mark.

Can we get all these Torres threads merged?

[Risteard]

Merged.

[red rovers]

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=474925&CPID=8&clid=14&lid=2&title=Atletico+confirm+Gahttp

[Over the post]

I think the jury is still out on Torres. Atlético have been a mess for some years now and for me it's difficult to say how he will get on with a decent team behind him.
I couldn't stand him when he first came on the scene, too lightweight and something of a diver, but he's matured, bulked up and is a more rounded player.
Still overrated though and not worth the silly money Benitez has shelled out for him.

[FarmHoop]

press conference on now, rafa sporting a rather gay goatee:D

[Pedro m]

75 goals in 173 games. Hardly aww inspiring.

His career is 82 goals in 212 games. Compare that to Van Nistlerooy he has scored 212 goals in 354 games.


Rooney 223 games 76 goals Hardly awe inspiring?
He is no Van nistlerooy. Defo not an out and out striker but he'll do well.
Also no-one has mentioned that he apparently played most of last season on the left wing. Its hardly a step backwards for liverpool is it?

[GavinZac]

no wonder he went to liverpool, saves him having to learn another language