New tournament?

[dahamsta]

Posted on behalf of Shelsman:

The Australian FA recently suggested a regular/yearly tournament in London between Australia, England, Ireland and Scotland, would you like to see this come about?

[mouldymurphy]

it could be a good idea but could you thrust the english fans to behave if they riot at friendlies inagine what they will do if there is silverware

[Badweather Fan]

There's better ideas around.

I'd prefer the All-Britain and irelands idea.

Just my preference.

[patsh]

What about Norn Iron and Wales?
Would England be good enough for this tournament??;)

[Neil]

I don't think Ireland would gain anything from playing average teams like Scotland, England and Australia. We'd be brought down to their level.

I'd prefer games against Brazil, France, Italy etc.

[Badweather Fan]

Ireland
N.Ireland
Scotland
Wales
England
would be the job.

How long did the old 'Home Nations' thing go on for?

[pineapple stu]

Home Nations went on for 100 years or so until 1984. The North won then, so presumably it wasn't being taken too seriously any more!:D :D

Wouldn't be too bad, but it would get repetitive I suppose, and give less exposure to other footballing cultures. How many times do you see friendlies arranged because the opponents play like someonw you're playing soon?

[Real ale Madrid]

It's a great idea for the Aussies because thay need the games. But a stupid idea for the others because they are already too many games and it would just become a series of meaningless friendlies. And everyone hates meaningless friendlies. now an U-18/U-20 tournament would be a better idea.

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by Real ale Madrid
It's a great idea for the Aussies because thay need the games. But a stupid idea for the others because they are already too many games and it would just become a series of meaningless friendlies.

I'd have to agree with RaM here. Players in England already have enough on their plate every season. The Aussies would definitely be the only beneficiaries of such a tournament. Friendlies only have value when you have young players pushing for a 1st team spot, but then again, how many people will pay to watch games NOT involving the top players??

[Shelsman]

I'd love to see Ireland thrash England every year! It would also give us a chance to take a look at some fringe players.

[Badweather Fan]

Originally posted by Shelsman
I'd love to see Ireland thrash England every year!
We would ya know. We're way better than any of them.
In fact at the moment it'd probably finish;
1. Ireland
2. Wales
3.England
4.Scotland
5. North

[The Legend]

Wales is going to finish ahead of England?

God man, be realistic will ya... you might dislike England, but lets face it, they'd probably win the whole bloody thing 9 times out of10.

[Badweather Fan]

False.
England are hype.
Wales are class(the top kind).
Have a look at the Euro Qualifying tables, "The Legend(take your head out of your ass and stick your opinions up there)"

P.s.Ignore Irelands group.

P.p.s. You did nothing to deserve that abuse.

P.p.p.s. Sorry.

[patsh]

It might be interesting though if it was made up of teams from
eircom League
League of Wales
SPL
Nationwide league
Irish League
and the aussies.

At least that way, guys from the likes of teams like Kidderminster, Boston Utd and other crap levels would not be representing Ireland...:rolleyes:

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by SCOTTY II
Question: When is the last time the English beat the Irish?

Answer: Longer than u think,we were all babies! CLASS!

ps: Wales are much better than any of the "HOME" nations at the moment,they deserve the respect...


Close enough. The correct answer is 1987, 2-0 in a friendly played at Wembley. That said we didn't have to wait long to get our revenge, by winning a game that REALLY mattered.
Good point about Wales, they are a class outfit at the moment. Should even make it to Portugal.

[fonzi]

how can you rate the england team lower than ireland?
and the welch (who are doing bloody well at the moment?)
aussie's would probobly beat ireland as well!

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by fonzi
how can you rate the england team lower than ireland?


England aren't necessarily a worse team than Ireland at the moment, and historically they haven't been either. It's just that an Irish team will ALWAYS raise their game against England. How else would you explain our superb record against them?

[Badweather Fan]

Reckon England aren't necessarily stronger all over the pitch.
They've a good bunch of young keepers but i'd pick Given over Seaman anyday(last nights worst goal ever was Titus Brambles fault).
Forget bout Harte but Ashley Cole isn't the business.
Danny Mills?
:D
Good luck.
England would kill for Damien Duff.
They're lightweight in the centre, minus Scholes.
And a similar situation up front.
On another note, i don't reckon Sven is all hes blown up to be. :)

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by Badweather Fan
England would kill for Damien Duff.

And a similar situation up front.
On another note, i don't reckon Sven is all hes blown up to be. :)

You're right in saying England would kill for Damien Duff, but, so would every other international team on the planet. Quite simply, when it comes to left-wingers Duff is the be all and end all of today.
I disagree that England are lightweight up front. I actually feel they have a wealth of talent at their disposal. Any team that could have called on the likes of Shearer, Owen, Jeffers, and now James Beattie, is hardly lightweight.
Sven IS overrated. On the other hand, the England job is the toughest job in international soccer due to the lack of ANY 'honeymoon period' WHATSOEVER, plus their unbelieveably demanding 'fans'.

[Badweather Fan]

Shearer?
:confused: :confused:
Jeffers ain't exactly shiit hot, contrary to the hype.

I agree about no honeymoon period but surely you agree that Sven is getting more than a fair crack of the whip?

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by Badweather Fan
Shearer?
:confused: :confused:
I agree about no honeymoon period but surely you agree that Sven is getting more than a fair crack of the whip?

Shearer is a class act and a GREAT goalscorer. Sven is getting a fair shot in terms of time, but as usual with the England job, external influences aren't making it easy for him to do his job, neither are some of his unruly players, come to think of it.

[SÓC]

Originally posted by Shed End John
Shearer is a class act and a GREAT goalscorer. Sven is getting a fair shot in terms of time, but as usual with the England job, external influences aren't making it easy for him to do his job, neither are some of his unruly players, come to think of it.

He is also retired from International football.

If you pick the two best XI's of each country the English one is alot better but Irish teams always are more than the sum of the parts.

Given
Carr O'Shea Cunningham Finnian
Reid Kinsella Holland Duff
Keane Morrison

compared to

Seaman
Mills Campbell Ferdinand Cole
Becham Butt Gerrard Scholes
Owen Heskey

We have a better keeper, right back, left winger and I suppose Keane would be better than Heskey.

4/11 when it comes to Irish players being better than English.

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by Shed End John
Close enough. The correct answer is 1987, 2-0 in a friendly played at Wembley. That said we didn't have to wait long to get our revenge, by winning a game that REALLY mattered.
Good point about Wales, they are a class outfit at the moment. Should even make it to Portugal.

Correct answer is actually 1985 ;) . Gary Lineker scored his first ever goal for England. Since then, we've won in 1988, drawn in 1990 (twice), 1991 and beaten them (officially I think) in 1995.

Still reckon the last two games (v. Russia and Switzerland) aren't a collapse of our class but just a dip in form. On World Cup and prior to that form, I'd imagine we'd beat England handily enough, if only because we'd be up for it more. Wales would be a serious threat now though!

[Badweather Fan]

Originally posted by SÓCcfc

Given
Carr O'Shea Cunningham Finnian
Reid Kinsella Holland Duff
Keane Morrison

compared to

Seaman
Mills Campbell Ferdinand Cole
Becham Butt Gerrard Scholes
Owen Heskey

We have a better keeper, right back, left winger and I suppose Keane would be better than Heskey.

4/11 when it comes to Irish players being better than English.
Finnans twice the player Ashley Cole is.
5/11 but we'd win.