Abromavich.........WHO???

[DmanDmythDledge]

In which case, the rule should be that away kits are designed so as not to create such a clash - rather than designed purely to generate money from fans.

Then you're asking clubs to change their traditional colours. Not going to happen.


They (the away team) could just wear their home shirt.
Why should the home team play in their away kits just because the away team can't provide a kit that doesn't clash?

[osarusan]

Then you're asking clubs to change their traditional colours. Not going to happen.


To be fair, Man. United's (and most other clubs) away shirts change colour on a regular basis, so there isnt much tradition to the away colours.




Why should the home team play in their away kits just because the away team can't provide a kit that doesn't clash?

Read my post again.

I'm saying that, if the away team's away shirt clashes with the home team's home shirt, then obviously the away team's home shirt will not clash with the home team's home shirt. Both clubs could wear their home shirts. There is no need for a 3rd shirt.

For example, lets say Man. Uniteds away shirt is blue. When United travel to play Chelsea, obviously Uniteds away shirt and Chelsea's home shirt are the same colour. Your solution is to make a reserve shirt. My solution is for United to wear their home (red) shirt, even though it is an away game.

[DmanDmythDledge]

To be fair, Man. United's (and most other clubs) away shirts change colour on a regular basis, so there isnt much tradition to the away colours.
I can't speak for other clubs but United's away kit has not been white twice in the past 90 years.


Read my post again.

I'm saying that, if the away team's away shirt clashes with the home team's home shirt, then obviously the away team's home shirt will not clash with the home team's home shirt. Both clubs could wear their home shirts. There is no need for a 3rd shirt.

For example, lets say Man. Uniteds away shirt is blue. When United travel to play Chelsea, obviously Uniteds away shirt and Chelsea's home shirt are the same colour. Your solution is to make a reserve shirt. My solution is for United to wear their home (red) shirt, even though it is an away game.
Obviously if there's no clash between home jerseys both teams wear home jerseys.

[osarusan]

Obviously if there's no clash between home jerseys both teams wear home jerseys.

So away shirts are used when the colours of both home jerseys clash?

If that is true, when DCFCSteve said this -

Why does a team need 3 kits ?


Why did you say this?

If their away kit clashes with the oppostion's home jersey, Sheff Utd vs Man Utd last season to give one example.

If home jerseys clash colours, the away team wears an away shirt, fair enough. But if the home jerseys dont clash, both teams will wear home jerseys.

So why is a 3rd kit needed?

[DmanDmythDledge]

So away shirts are used when the colours of both home jerseys clash?

If that is true, when DCFCSteve said this -

Why does a team need 3 kits ?

Why did you say this?

If their away kit clashes with the oppostion's home jersey, Sheff Utd vs Man Utd last season to give one example.

If home jerseys clash colours, the away team wears an away shirt, fair enough. But if the home jerseys dont clash, both teams will wear home jerseys.

So why is a 3rd kit needed?
If the away team's home and away kits clash with the home teams jersey.

[osarusan]

If the away team's home and away kits clash with the home teams jersey.


But given that the home and away shirts are specifically designed to be very different from each other, this doesnt happen.

For this to happen, the home and away shirts would need to be the same colour. They never are. It would defeat the purpose of making an away shirt.

This year, if I remember correctly, United's home shirt was red, and away shirt was blue. Which Premiership club has a home shirt which clashes with both of Uniteds shirts?

[DmanDmythDledge]

But given that the home and away shirts are specifically designed to be very different from each other, this doesnt happen.

For this to happen, the home and away shirts would need to be the same colour. They never are. It would defeat the purpose of making an away shirt.

This year, if I remember correctly, United's home shirt was red, and away shirt was blue. Which Premiership club has a home shirt which clashes with both of Uniteds shirts?
United's away kit was white. Both home and away kits clashed with Sheffield Utd, and will clash with Sunderland next season.

[osarusan]

United's away kit was white. Both home and away kits clashed with Sheffield Utd, and will clash with Sunderland next season.

Fair enough, I thought it was blue, and didnt clash with anybody. Was blue the 3rd kit?

But, do you think that in this situation, the most sensible move is to design a 3rd kit, which will be worn only once next season? More sensible that having the homw team wear their away shirt?

[osarusan]

I can't speak for other clubs but United's away kit has not been white twice in the past 90 years.

Not according to this site. (http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufc-kits7.htm)

White away shirt twice (3 times if you count the Gold/White combo) since 2000.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Fair enough, I thought it was blue, and didnt clash with anybody. Was blue the 3rd kit?

But, do you think that in this situation, the most sensible move is to design a 3rd kit, which will be worn only once next season? More sensible that having the home team wear their away shirt?
Blue was the third kit.

Yes but at the same time I wouldn't blame the home team for wanting to wear their home jersey.


Not according to this site. (http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufc-kits7.htm)

White away shirt twice (3 times if you count the Gold/White combo) since 2000.
The gold was used as the third kit. I counted 4 white kits, 2 non-white. Still doesn't change my point about the traditional colours.

[osarusan]

The gold was used as the third kit. I counted 4 white kits, 2 non-white. Still doesn't change my point about the traditional colours.

Sorry, I misunderstood this post -

I can't speak for other clubs but United's away kit has not been white twice in the past 90 years.

An understandable mistake, given the wording:D

Reads like Uniteds kit has been white only once in the last 90 years.

[MojoPin]

Yeah ...and if man u want 3 different away strips and a different home strip for the CL let 'em ...and if people are willing to fork out fo them all then well it's wrong to let eejits keep their money.



who was the last club to bring out a special champions league jersey?????? liverpool. united arent that bad for strips anymore..

[dcfcsteve]

Then you're asking clubs to change their traditional colours. Not going to happen.

Damn right. Why should clubs change their away kit colours just to suit my request or footballing needs. No way. Instead - they'll just change them dramatically every two years purely on commercial grounds......! :o

If you're suggesting that the colour of away kits is treated as sacred and as non-changeable as home kits, then you really musn't watch much football DM...

Take Newcastle - the English club I'm most familiar with. They've recently played in away shirts that were white, green, grey, Barcelona-style, and last year blue and scarlet colour. Care to tell me what Newcastle United's official away colour's are therefore supposed to be.......? :confused:

An that's without getting onto Manchester United and their multi-colour dreamkits.....

[DmanDmythDledge]

I can only speak for Man Utd. I presume there are lots of other clubs with tradition.

[dcfcsteve]

I can only speak for Man Utd. I presume there are lots of other clubs with tradition.

So you're telling me that Man U's away colours are sacred and never change.....? :eek:

Even with only a passing interest in English football, I can recall numerous different United away colours : white, blue/white, grey, black.....

So what colour exactly is their 'traditional' away kit colour ? :confused:

[DmanDmythDledge]

So you're telling me that Man U's away colours are sacred and never change.....? :eek:

Even with only a passing interest in English football, I can recall numerous different United away colours : white, blue/white, grey, black.....

So what colour exactly is their 'traditional' away kit colour ? :confused:
White.

4 times the away kit hasn't been white in the past 90 years.

[Dodge]

Are away kits around 90 years?

Didn't Utd win European cup in blue?

[DmanDmythDledge]

Are away kits around 90 years?

Didn't Utd win European cup in blue?
For Man Utd anyway. At least 100 years.

Yes. That was a specially designed kit which was only worn once. Don't know why they didn't just wear their away kit.

[Dodge]

****ers trying to rip off fans as early as 1968 :D

(BTW the away kits thing was genuine, I had no idea)

[dcfcsteve]

White.

4 times the away kit hasn't been white in the past 90 years.

The 90 years thing is irrelevant, as the rampant commercialisation of football is really only about 20 years old. Less if you date it to the start of the Premiership breakaway.

When was the first time they had a non-white away kit ? Are you ciounting kits that had some white in them as well - e.g. that weird blue and white triangles thing during the Sharp days.

Bottom line is - if Man U were the guardians of footballing tradition that you suggest they are, they wouldn't have fcuked with their away colours full stop. How many times have they changed their home colours in the period since they first changed their away kit ?

[CollegeTillIDie]

Well to quote an example from closer to home shirt sales do not equate necessarily with bums on seat.
The now deceased Dublin City FC sold more shirts in 2005 than any other ELOI club, tourists bought their shirts in droves, but very few of those shirt sales transferred into bums on seats hence part of the reason for the clubs nosedive. A Peruvian club team has had an enormous increase in their shirt sales in the UK in recent seasons... purely for comic value... their name DEPORTIVO WANKA.

Many people who go to games don't buy 3-4 different kit shirts of their favourite team. In this country thousands by shirts of Premiershi* teams and never go to a game either over there or here.

But the sales do contribute to the overall revenue when the numbers involved are large enough as in the case of ManURe where one season they made enough profit from shirt and other ancillary sales to buy Rio Ferdinand.

p.s. Who the hell is Abromavich or Ambromavich? The man's name is Roman Abramovich.

[dcfcsteve]

Well to quote an example from closer to home shirt sales do not equate necessarily with bums on seat.
The now deceased Dublin City FC sold more shirts in 2005 than any other ELOI club, tourists bought their shirts in droves,

That claim was never qualified though CTID. I'm fairly sure it was an assumption more than anything else - I doubt Seery/Carrolls actually knew how many shirts Cork, Derry, Bohs etc had sold when he made the claim that they'd sold the most.

That's not to say he mightened have been correct - but I would still be sceptical about what was an unqualified claim.

Also - saying tourists bought the Dublin City shirt "in droves" would be over-egging it a bit. I never saw any sold the times I was mooching around in Carrolls, and I doubt my vists were particularly unrepresentative breaks in the storming of Carolls by the Dublin City-craving tourist hordes...