Stan and Roy Keane on same FA training course!

[Noelys Guitar]

According to Steve Claridge on BBC Radio 5.

[gufcfan]

D'ohhh

[Noelys Guitar]

Sure to be a mill out in the yard at break!

[danonion]

Stan's a big lump and more than fit for Keane in the parking lot

[tricky_colour]

These courses are largly bullsh*t.
You can't be taught to be a good manager.

[gufcfan]

If these courses were any good, every tom dick and stan would be doing it

[tetsujin1979]

so what if they were? Both are going for their UEFA Pro license, both live in England, it's not surprising that they are on the same course.

Anyone can take them, I'm pretty sure I remember Tony Cascarino writing he took one of them with Andy Townsend, and there were plumbers and electricians in with them.

[NeilMcD]

Anyone who says that these coures are rubbish does not have a clue of the game in my view. Football is becoming more and more scientific. That is not to say that they are foolproof but if you want to be coaching players at any level you need a good background.

[Billsthoughts]

not really. Both Stan and Keane have good backgrounds in the game regardless of any courses they might do.

[NeilMcD]

Keane has already said before that these courses are invaluable and that he thinks its madness any player just thinking they can go into managment without doing these sort of courses. They prepare you for taking training session and dealing with players who are homesick and much more. There is so much now to a managers job, any sort of preparation like this has to be good. They have had these courses in France and Spain and Italy and Holland for years and it has not dones their players technique any harm. Also most of the managers at the top end in England are foreign which suggests that the FA have a long way to go to cach up. Years of neglect and lack of preparation and giving jobs to ex players on the basis of reputation have set footballing standards back in England. The only reason the top clubs are doing well is due to Skys money and the abilty to bring in foreign players.

[RogerMilla]

fair play to stan , he is willing to learn and take his badges, good on him

[NeilMcD]

Does this mean he has been doing his badges for a while. If he is on the same course as keane, he is at a very advanced level then and is just getting the final badge. IF this is the case he has obviously spent the last year or so getting his other coaching badges.

[Noelys Guitar]

Stan, Keane, Southgate and Claridge himself are on the course. Good for Stan and Ireland I believe.

[Jerry The Saint]

Doesn't say that they're in the same classroom - I imagine that Stan has to spend a bit of time in the remedial room to catch up.

[Sligo Hornet]

Doesn't say that they're in the same classroom - I imagine that Stan has to spend a bit of time in the remedial room to catch up.

They're NOT in the same classroom......Roy is in with the guys learning their coaching skills......Stan is down the corridor learning the skills to be a coach driver!.......preparation for the future is key!!;)

[youngirish]

Stan, Keane, Southgate and Claridge himself are on the course. Good for Stan and Ireland I believe.

Yeah he can keep tracks on who's doing well in his class and recommend them to take over.

[lionelhutz]

Doesn't say that they're in the same classroom - I imagine that Stan has to spend a bit of time in the remedial room to catch up.

ha ha classic, he'll get a gold star for every position he names ;) ;)

[DmanDmythDledge]

Does this mean he has been doing his badges for a while. If he is on the same course as keane, he is at a very advanced level then and is just getting the final badge. IF this is the case he has obviously spent the last year or so getting his other coaching badges.
I'd imagine that the Pro License was a requirement to have a national team job so that's why he's doing it. He could well have been allowed to skip the other courses below.

[NeilMcD]

What is a Uefa Pro Licence?
By Alistair Magowan

The Premier League has given Middlesbrough manager Gareth Southgate special dispensation to continue at the Riverside despite not possessing a Uefa Pro Licence.

The qualification is mandatory in order to manage in the top divisions in many other European countries including Spain, Italy, Germany and France.

But what exactly is a Pro Licence and is it actually relevant to what a Premier League manager does day-to-day?

WHAT IS A PRO LICENCE?

The Uefa Pro Coaching Licence is aimed at Europe's elite band of coaches but it is actually more about management than coaching itself.

The Uefa 'A' Licence, a step below the Pro Licence, covers matters more suited to the football pitch.

That takes at least a year and encompasses 180 hours but Uefa guidelines suggest that coaches should have a further year's experience before progressing.


HOW QUALIFIED IS THE PREMIERSHIP?
Arsene Wenger (ARS) - Pro Lic
Martin O'Neill (AV) - FA Dip
Mark Hughes (BLA) - Pro Lic
Sam Allardyce (BOL) - Pro Lic
Les Reed (CHA) - Pro Lic
Jose Mourinho (CHE) - Pro Lic
David Moyes (EVE) - Pro Lic
Chris Coleman (FUL) - Pro Lic*
Rafa Benitez (LIV) - Pro Lic
Sir Alex Ferguson (MU) - FA Dip
Stuart Pearce (MC) - Pro Lic
Gareth Southgate (MID) - B Lic*
Glenn Roeder (NEW) - Pro Lic*
Harry Redknapp (POR) - FA Dip
Steve Coppell (REA) - FA Dip
Neil Warnock (SHU) - FA Dip
Martin Jol (TOT) - Pro Lic
Adrian Boothroyd (WAT) - Pro Lic
Alan Pardew (WH) - Pro Lic
Paul Jewell (WIG) - FA Dip#
*denotes currently taking qualification; #denotes taken one-off course to pass diploma
The Premier League only signed up to Uefa's coaching rules in 2003 and English football has been playing catch up since.

The result is that, as well as the major European footballing nations, the likes of the Czech Republic now has more coaches with the A Licence and Pro Licence than this country.

Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor the qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the Premiership.

Recent graduates include Bolton's Sam Allardyce and Manchester City's Stuart Pearce but the course also suits assistants such as Blackburn's Mark Bowen and coaches who aspire to work in the top division.

While an increasing number of British coaches have now passed the Pro Licence, the more established coaches have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise their experience. (see table above)

Any coach hoping to manage in the Premiership after 2010 must have the Pro Licence.

WHAT DOES THE COURSE CONSIST OF?

The qualification takes a year to complete and consists of a minimum of 240 hours, of which 90 hours are practical, and is aimed at dealing with situations familiar to fans of the Premiership.

Modules such as handling top-class players, using the latest technology, analysing opponents' strengths and weaknesses and dealing with player's problems on and off the pitch are all covered in the course.

To pass the coach has to prove that he or she is competent in the following areas:

# How to plan and evaluate your team's strategic season programme
# How to succeed in one key fixture during the season
# Improving the performance of one key player
# Improving your own interpersonal skills
# Building upon your existing coaching skills with specific emphasis

While there are residential weeks, a lot of the work is done by the coaches within their clubs.

The bonus for the coaches is that they will be coaching nearly every day anyway so in effect they will complete many more hours than the 240 required.

HOW IS IT STRUCTURED?

As well as covering a wide range of topics, there are three meaty projects that the coaches must complete: handling professional players, match-related training methods and analysis of a key fixture.

It all begins in June at Warwick University with a 10-day residential where there are guest speakers, workshops and practical tasks.

Practical topics are specific to the extent where a coach might be put in a situation where he or she is in charge of Tottenham Hotspur facing the second leg of a Uefa Cup tie against Russian opposition.

Alongside two colleagues, the coach would then prepare for the fixture and deal with different scenarios within the game such as sendings off or injuries.

The reality for most coaches is that from August to December they are based at their clubs and while the course is tailored to fit in with their day-to-day duties, the modules actually complement the challenges they face.

Some of the modules are completed via conference call tutorials and, with more football-related areas, the coaches will use the players at their club.


PRO LICENCE MODULES
Handling professional players
Styles of play
Key game analysis
Mental preparation
Sports medicine
Specialist training
Game related training
Fitness and conditioning
The media and technology
Ethics and code of conduct
Business management
Club structure
Contracts and agents
Planning including rest and recovery
Study visits
Practical work and problem solving
In January there is another two-day residential which has in the past had guest speakers such as Manchester United's Sir Alex Ferguson and Real Madrid coach Fabio Capello. Past and present England managers also attend this gathering.

Later in the year, the coaches will again gather over the phone to cover topics on sports medicine, goalkeeping, fitness and conditioning, and business management.

The last project is for a key fixture and takes place in the second half of the season featuring a particularly tough match such as a top of the table clash or an FA Cup tie.

For this, the coach will have to create a file using scouting reports, opposition video analysis and training methods used in preparation for the fixture. Following the match, the coach will review the preparation and the match with FA technical staff.

Also incorporated into the course is a study visit which consists of a trip to a European club, such as Real Madrid or Inter Milan, to get a technical and structural overview of the club.

At the final residential in June the coaches will provide a debrief of the study visit and finish with modules on pre-season and fitness testing ready for the new season.

While the course takes a year to complete, it is fully flexible to allow coaches to pick up modules the following year.

England head coach Steve McClaren is one of the candidates who chose this option and he took 18 months to complete the course

[Stuttgart88]

For an impressionist that bloke knows a lot about coaching courses.

[paul_oshea]

Improving your own interpersonal skills

to pass this does one need to learn off the top 20 most used phrases in football management along with learning the art of "mind games"? A says "i dont like their stlye of play" A is playing "mind games with B....hmm yes very intricate mind games there alright.......i cant imagine this course being very tricky somehow.....

[NeilMcD]

I think they will be dealing with stuff like, dealing with young players who are homesick, dealing with the players parents. Dealing with agents. Having to let a young player go because he is not good enough.

[tricky_colour]

Stan is going to look pretty stupid if he wins the European Championship
before he has ompleted the course!! :D

[tricky_colour]

Keane has already said before that these courses are invaluable and that he thinks its madness any player just thinking they can go into managment without doing these sort of courses. They prepare you for taking training session and dealing with players who are homesick and much more. There is so much now to a managers job, any sort of preparation like this has to be good. They have had these courses in France and Spain and Italy and Holland for years and it has not dones their players technique any harm. Also most of the managers at the top end in England are foreign which suggests that the FA have a long way to go to cach up. Years of neglect and lack of preparation and giving jobs to ex players on the basis of reputation have set footballing standards back in England. The only reason the top clubs are doing well is due to Skys money and the abilty to bring in foreign players.


However he did pretty well without being on any course didn't he, at Sunderland? No doubt next year when he has all his badges he will get relegated ;)

[Jerry The Saint]

To pass the coach has to prove that he or she is competent in the following areas:

# How to plan and evaluate your team's strategic season programme
# How to succeed in one key fixture during the season
# Improving the performance of one key player
# Improving your own interpersonal skills
# Building upon your existing coaching skills with specific emphasis



It's not looking good for Stan, is it:confused::(:eek:

[NeilMcD]

However he did pretty well without being on any course didn't he, at Sunderland? No doubt next year when he has all his badges he will get relegated ;)

He did loads of courses before he had even left Utd. He has said that these courses were invaluable to when he took over at Sunderland. In addition he did not take the Sunderland job when he was offered it after he left Celtic as he still had a few badges to get. He turned the job down as a result. Thats how important he felt the coaching badges were to him.

[OwlsFan]

Thats how important he felt the coaching badges were to him.

Badges? Badges? He don't need no stinking badges!!

There are a whole host of coaches on this site telling Stan what to do and they don't have a badge, except perhaps a Blue Peter one, between them.

[NeilMcD]

Whats your point.

[geysir]

Badges? Badges? He don't need no stinking badges!!

There are a whole host of coaches on this site telling Stan what to do and they don't have a badge, except perhaps a Blue Peter one, between them.
:D:D

It would be craic if Stan got his diploma and Roy had to repeat.
Or does anybody fail these things?
Certificate of completion rather than competence.

[paul_oshea]

Certificate of completion rather than competence.

exactly. 90 hours are done at the club, the other majority hours are done on a teleconference call. "howareye lads, that was a great game at the weekend, what tactics did you use?!"

[youngirish]

Stan will probably get a nice badge at the end of it that he can stick on his coaching jacket reading Qualified Du Gaffur.

Keane will fail because the course directors are anti Cork.

[OwlsFan]

Whats your point.

It's call humour. You should try it sometime :p

[paul_oshea]

yes neil is uber-serious isnt he? :P :D

[NeilMcD]

It's call humour. You should try it sometime :p

What is humour

[Billsthoughts]

there was no Humour evident in that post Neil so dont worry.
As for the courses.....werent all the best coaches a touch on the maverick side and these courses tend to produce managers with no faith in the players creativity?

[tricky_colour]

I wonder if anyone has ever failed one of these courses?

"Only if you don't pay the fees." :D

[Paddy Garcia]

I'm happy to pay Stan's fees if necessary.