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[BohsPartisan]

takes more than clean sheets to judge a keeper :rolleyes:

Ah lads are you saying Owen Heary can't judge a keeper? ;)

[Hibs4Ever]

I didn't about hear that.
Our loss really as I thnk he is a fine player.

I met Ger a few times in his previous occupation - he's a St Pats man through and through.



He is indeed

[WeAreRovers]

takes more than clean sheets to judge a keeper :rolleyes:

:eek:

And more than goals to judge a striker?

KOH

[Dodge]

absolutely.

FOr what its worth I think all 3 are fine keepers

[WeAreRovers]

absolutely.

FOr what its worth I think all 3 are fine keepers

The point being that if a striker scores loads of goals then it doesn't matter a damn about his general play. Same with keepers and clean sheets, which are way more important that the waffle in Doc's post. Not that Barry Murphy's general play isn't brilliant too.

Barry Ryan will always be Blunders to me while Barry Murphy is the best keeper I've ever seen at Rovers - all the way back to Alan O'Neill. But that subjectivity is what makes us fans I suppose.

KOH

[Dodge]

But of you're going on stats, do you use goals against or clean sheets. Bohs have fewest goals condeded but there fans were going mad a few weeks ago at being so negative. Pats have a good defensive record and we're much better going forward. I think we should use the Ice Hockey way of rating goalies; most wins :D Subjectivity me arse...

Anyway, to get back to the original point, I think the LOI team should play an FAi B team every year. Far better use of Devlin's wages

[Dr.Nightdub]

Same with keepers and clean sheets, which are way more important that the waffle in Doc's post.

You try working a 14-hour day then not posting absolute tosh online when you get home. Thanks for dignifying it with a serious argument though. ;)

[swano]

I didn't about hear that.
Our loss really as I thnk he is a fine player.

I met Ger a few times in his previous occupation - he's a St Pats man through and through.

He's Digger O Briens nephew and was due to sign for you before his health problems. They weren't sure if he'd play again so I presume bohs had given up on him.

I couldn't care less who he used to support if he keeps playing the way he is for us for the past 2 seasons.

Doc, letting in late goals.... lack of concentration..... Drug test him now!

[Hibs4Ever]

He's Digger O Briens nephew and was due to sign for you before his health problems. They weren't sure if he'd play again so I presume bohs had given up on him.

I couldn't care less who he used to support if he keeps playing the way he is for us for the past 2 seasons.

Doc, letting in late goals.... lack of concentration..... Drug test him now!



Still does ;)

[DmanDmythDledge]

The point being that if a striker scores loads of goals then it doesn't matter a damn about his general play. Same with keepers and clean sheets, which are way more important that the waffle in Doc's post. Not that Barry Murphy's general play isn't brilliant too.
The defence plays a more important role than the keeper IMO. If the defence fúcks up sometimes there's nothing any keeper in the world can do, which makes using clean sheets stupid.

[WeAreRovers]

You try working a 14-hour day then not posting absolute tosh online when you get home. Thanks for dignifying it with a serious argument though. ;)

No worries Doc, anytime. I assumed it was drug-induced waffle rather than overwork. Personally I just post tosh all the time, it's easier that way.;)

KOH

[BrayUnknowns]

5 Pats, 3 Cork and 3 Drogs. No Rovers? We've only been on TV once so I don't know how anyone can judge teams of the season at this stage.

The idea of a league of Ireland xi select is a very good one though. Only way to get the barstoolers to take notice.

From the 4 games ive seen Rovers play this season their is not one player from Rovers who come near the squad, bar Murphy in nets that is. The rest of the squad is average, wins have come from trying to destroy games and from their fitness levels, not from skill or real class. But as mentioned, Murphy would be my choice for Keeper, outstanding talent.

[btid1]

Certainly is. He was due to sign for you at the start of last season but he had a minor heart problem and bohs decided not to sign him.


Ah ye nice fella him.He used to come in to the bank I worked in with his Kildare County checks and we would have a good old chat about LOI.Must be from Clondalkin and hence the Pats supporter link.

Its a pity cos I wouldnt spit on him now he's a horrible hoop!!!

[Dr.Nightdub]

The rest of the squad is average, wins have come from trying to destroy games and from their fitness levels, not from skill or real class.

Don't agree, when they came to us they at least tried playing football i.e. on the ground. Haven't quite got the players to pull it off but at least Scully has them going about it the right way. Only ones to seriously rattle our 3-5-2 up to then, Dodge'll remember pointing out at the time how they were doing so.

Maybe a wee bit too cavalier though - leaving three up for a corner and no-one on the post when you're 1-0 down against Set Piece Athletic means you'll soon find yourself 2-0 down. :)

[RonnieB]

I dont think Mooney will be moving on.

[mypost]

Murphy would be my choice for Keeper, outstanding talent.

Baz is head and shoulders above any keeper in either divisons, how many other keepers will keep clean sheets at Cork, and twice at Drogs this season?

[Hibs4Ever]

Baz is head and shoulders above any keeper in either divisons, how many other keepers will keep clean sheets at Cork, and twice at Drogs this season?




What about the defence?? Clean sheets mean nothing if the keeper didn't have to make any proper saves in any of these games because the defence made sure he didn't have to. Just because he got a clean sheet it doesn't mean he actually had anything to do in these games

[BohsPartisan]

and twice at Drogs this season?

Brian Murphy, twice against Pats; against the Drogs; at the Brandywell. Conceded the same number of goals as your Murphy but with one extra game played. Arguably has a bigger task with Jason McGuinness playing in front of him.

[DvB]

From the 4 games ive seen Rovers play this season their is not one player from Rovers who come near the squad, bar Murphy in nets that is. The rest of the squad is average, wins have come from trying to destroy games and from their fitness levels, not from skill or real class. But as mentioned, Murphy would be my choice for Keeper, outstanding talent.

Apart from the two games v Bray (which would be far from our best performances this season btw but still took the 6 point thany you very much) I'm intrigued to know what the other game was (assuming the third was the Derry game live on TV?), having seen every game this season even taking off the Rovers tinted glasses to just dismiss the quality Ger O'Brien, Baz, Rowe & Purcell have shown this season and put our results this season down to 'destroying' games is baffling!!
Against the top sides we've played decent on the deck football & this has started to get results, against the lower sides we've been dragged down to a different level (a frustrating weakness of ours i must admit) the performances vs Sligo, Bray & Longford sping to mind, though to our credit we have on each occasion managed to still pick up the points!! Defending btw is a skill, and can be a classy one at that!!

The defending i refer to is the limiting of chances to the opposition despite them having more of the ball, it doesnt include stamping on a players foot & breaking a bone btw!!

Koh

[mypost]

Brian Murphy, twice against Pats; against the Drogs; at the Brandywell.

Not answering the question. :rolleyes:

We have gone to Cork, and Drogheda away twice this year, and kept clean sheets every time. How many other keepers have/will do that? He kept 23 clean sheets last season, saved all 4 penos he faced, and conceded 13 goals in 36 games. And unlike others, our keeper is part-time.

[Hibs4Ever]

Not answering the question. :rolleyes:

We have gone to Cork, and Drogheda away twice this year, and kept clean sheets every time. How many other keepers have/will do that? He kept 23 clean sheets last season, saved all 4 penos he faced, and conceded 13 goals in 36 games. And unlike others, our keeper is part-time.



In Div 1

[swano]

Not answering the question. :rolleyes:

We have gone to Cork, and Drogheda away twice this year, and kept clean sheets every time. How many other keepers have/will do that? He kept 23 clean sheets last season, saved all 4 penos he faced, and conceded 13 goals in 36 games. And unlike others, our keeper is part-time.

In fairness you can't really count a clean sheet against a team of Drogs kids in a league cup game.

[WeAreRovers]

My Post - Baz is full time.

Hibs4Ever - A penalty should be converted at any level but he saved one against the gypos in the cup too.

Baz, Tadhg, Ger O'Brien, Detser and Aidan Price have all made the step up with amazing ease and while the continued under-rating of Rovers is a wee bit annoying long may it continue.

KOH

[BohsPartisan]

Not answering the question. :rolleyes:

and Drogheda away twice this year,

Well you were playing the Drogs under 17's on one of those occasions in Drogheda so that hardly counts. BTW I'm not under-rating anyone but the suggestion that Barry Murphy is head and shoulders above any keeper in this league is ludicrous in the extreme.

[Jaime]

My Post - Baz is full time.

Hibs4Ever - A penalty should be converted at any level but he saved one against the gypos in the cup too.

Baz, Tadhg, Ger O'Brien, Detser and Aidan Price have all made the step up with amazing ease and while the continued under-rating of Rovers is a wee bit annoying long may it continue.

KOH


:rolleyes:

Under-rated??? People are fawning all over your manager and team, can't understand where the "under-rated" tag comes from. Obviously you prefer being under-rated, but at the moment, you aren't. It's quite the opposite at the moment, and going into the second set of games, you have to live with it. Giving Rovers 3 points for the Waterford game and they're a top 3 team. I can't see anyone treating them as anything other than that. Who exactly is "under-rating" Rovers?

[swano]

:rolleyes:

Under-rated??? People are fawning all over your manager and team, can't understand where the "under-rated" tag comes from. Obviously you prefer being under-rated, but at the moment, you aren't. It's quite the opposite at the moment, and going into the second set of games, you have to live with it. Giving Rovers 3 points for the Waterford game and they're a top 3 team. I can't see anyone treating them as anything other than that. Who exactly is "under-rating" Rovers?

Listening to the interviews after the last round of games with Connor, Doolin and Jonny Mac, none of them mentioned Rovers but they all made reference to all the other top sides dropping points.

[Dodge]

Some of them don't even consider Pats contenders and we're top so I wouldn't let manager speak worry you. Player for player I'm not sure I'd take any Rovers player ahead of any pats players (and yeah I know I'm 100% biased) so its not that hard to see why none were picked in the various eL selections. I'm fairly certain you have a miles better manager though

[Jaime]

Exactly. Rovers didn't drop points. They got the job done against Bray, no surprises there. :confused: Rovers were the big winners of the last round of fixtures and are joint-third (outright third once they fail to lose to Waterford) on merit; do you want each manager to give a round-up of each team's performance every week in their 90 second interview slot? :confused:

[DmanDmythDledge]

Hibs4Ever - A penalty should be converted at any level but he saved one against the gypos in the cup too.
For all we know those penalties could have been woeful and easy to save.

[BohsPartisan]

I'd certainly take Purcell. Mind you I'd also take Gary O Neill. We badly need a propper partner for Crowe.

[CharlesThompson]

I thought the title of this thread referred to a Chinese player joining the league! :eek:

[mypost]

Well you were playing the Drogs under 17's on one of those occasions in Drogheda so that hardly counts.

Drogs 0-3 Us

Think it does. Not our fault they fielded a weakened side. We're also the only side to win up there this season, while the likes of Cork and Derry couldn't.


(Peno's)In Div 1

The ability to score a peno is the same in any league, be it here or Indonesia. For a gk, it requires you to save a shot from 12 yards. Murphy has done that every time.

[Hibs4Ever]

Not answering the question. :rolleyes:

We have gone to Cork, and Drogheda away twice this year, and kept clean sheets every time. How many other keepers have/will do that? He kept 23 clean sheets last season, saved all 4 penos he faced, and conceded 13 goals in 36 games. And unlike others, our keeper is part-time.






The ability to score a peno is the same in any league, be it here or Indonesia. For a gk, it requires you to save a shot from 12 yards. Murphy has done that every time.



Ok, the rest of your post was pointless then.

[WeAreRovers]

:rolleyes:

Under-rated??? People are fawning all over your manager and team, can't understand where the "under-rated" tag comes from. Obviously you prefer being under-rated, but at the moment, you aren't. It's quite the opposite at the moment, and going into the second set of games, you have to live with it. Giving Rovers 3 points for the Waterford game and they're a top 3 team. I can't see anyone treating them as anything other than that. Who exactly is "under-rating" Rovers?

It's the lazy moron pundits I'm talking about not fans. If I hear "They're very well organised and will give the top sides a run for their money" one more time I'll turn violent.

This is the best side I've seen at Rovers in 20 years and it's the first Rovers team that I've genuinally loved in 20 years too. Guess I shouldn't let Osam, McGuinness, Gill, Stephen Finn etc bother me. :cool:

KOH

[Jerry The Saint]

Under-rated??? People are fawning all over your manager and team, can't understand where the "under-rated" tag comes from. Obviously you prefer being under-rated, but at the moment, you aren't. It's quite the opposite at the moment, and going into the second set of games, you have to live with it. Giving Rovers 3 points for the Waterford game and they're a top 3 team. I can't see anyone treating them as anything other than that. Who exactly is "under-rating" Rovers?

Didn't you hear the song:confused: NO-ONE likes them.

It's not as if the Shamrock fans care though.


It's the lazy moron pundits I'm talking about not fans. If I hear "They're very well organised and will give the top sides a run for their money" one more time I'll turn violent.

This is the best side I've seen at Rovers in 20 years and it's the first Rovers team that I've genuinally loved in 20 years too. Guess I shouldn't let Osam, McGuinness, Gill, Stephen Finn etc bother me. :cool:

KOH

Oh, well maybe one of them does. :p

[Risteard]

I'd certainly take Purcell. Mind you I'd also take Gary O Neill. We badly need a propper partner for Crowe.
Fenn and Mansaram are good players.
As far as i can tell, your strikers are a bit isolated with your direct style.

Obviously, you see more Bohs than me but somethings wrong if you're bringing someone in to do a job, for which you've already splashed big money out on 3 people to do already. Fenn, Crowe, Mansaram.

[BohsPartisan]

I agree, something is wrong.
Mansaram is a good target man, and he has been doing ok but he can't do what strikers are there for and that is score goals. Fenn is just plain lazy, no doubt he has talent but he isn't busting a gut to show it off.
Crowe on the other hand is working harder than I've ever seen him doing and isn't standing around sulking because the style of play isn't to his liking.

[swano]

When we played in Dalymount this season Fenn looked like he didn't give a ****. Game only changed when Mansaram came on as he makes things very awkward for defenders under the high balls.

[niallsparky]

Mansaram does have the ability to hold the ball up well and feed in other players, but what Bohs really need is someone alongside Crowe who can score goals. Mans tends to work well off the bench. Fenn just hasn't shown anything that he is capable of. Put that togeter, we need another goalscorer.

[Risteard]

I'd say everyone would be a winner if Fenn returned to the Cross.
Unsure if we'd pay the contract he's on now though.

[finnpark]

From what Ive seen....

-------------------------- Ryan (St Pats) -----------------------

Heary (Bohs) ---- Gavin (Drogs) Cpt --- Gartland (Drogs)---- Webb (Drogs)


O'Donovan (Cork) --- Byrne (Drogs) --- Ndo (St Pats) --- O'Brien (Galway)


-------------------------- Zayed (Drogs) -------- Farren (Derry) ------------

SUBS

Murphy (Bohs) Glk
Feguson (Shamrock)
Shelly (Drogs)
Gamble (Cork)
Quigley (St Pats)

[BohsPartisan]

I'd say everyone would be a winner if Fenn returned to the Cross.
Unsure if we'd pay the contract he's on now though.

I dreamt last night Rico took over the Bohs managers job and Dolan was director of football, albeit a very skinny Dolan.

[Lionel Ritchie]

I must admit when I saw the title of this thread I thought someone'd signed a Malaysian international.:)

[passerrby]

I dreamt last night Rico took over the Bohs managers job and Dolan was director of football, albeit a very skinny Dolan.

cheese thats whats given you them nightmares stick with the charlie you ll still get the nifgtmares but pat will make sense