Worst fans in Europe - Liverpool

[Steve Bruce]

Did Rangers fans not get a ban from europe this season? I know they were in bother in Osasuna. Sectarian chants and all the usual Rangers and Celtic rubbish and the peelers waded in. Feyenord must be top in truth, the club was thrown out of the competition and im sure the italians clubs will be well placed also.

Would you class a sectarian song as bad as a bottle thrown?

Rangers got fined for Sectarian chanting, which is of course very serious and they rightly got fined.

But in terms of actual violence I do not think Rangers would come close to the top.

Celtic fans are a credit to themselves when they go away in Europe. They enjoy themselves and sectarianism is very much a minority in Europe.

[dcfcsteve]

I'm just back from a holiday with a load of English/Scousers.

I read out the story about Liverpool fans being the worst in Europe, and commented that it was a load of sh!t. To my huge surprise, the scousers and most of the English agreed with it ! There was a general feeling - particularly amongst my scouse mates - that there is a long-standing culture for a significant chunk of fans at both Liverpool and Everton of actively trying to get into games without paying and without tickets. And often it's attempting to get in by any means (e.g. theft, forgery, assault etc).

If even fans of Liverpool and Everton think that there's a problem, then that's good enough for me.....

[GavinZac]

Top story: scousers steal stuff.
In other news: the sky is blue, grass is green, and things fall down rather than up.

[WeAreRovers]

There was a general feeling - particularly amongst my scouse mates - that there is a long-standing culture for a significant chunk of fans at both Liverpool and Everton of actively trying to get into games without paying and without tickets. And often it's attempting to get in by any means (e.g. theft, forgery, assault etc).


It's hardly a 'general feeling" more a well-known fact. It's called jibbing and the term itself (as well as the practice) is very common in Liverpool and the north west in general. It goes back to the beginnings of casual culture and LFC fans travelling en masse to Europe where they jibbed the trains, jibbed into the games, cleaned-out sports shops etc.

KOH

[anto1208]

Top story: scousers steal stuff.
In other news: the sky is blue, grass is green, and things fall down rather than up.


Bull have you a link for this ?? :D

[Raheny Red]

I'm just back from a holiday with a load of English/Scousers.

I read out the story about Liverpool fans being the worst in Europe, and commented that it was a load of sh!t. To my huge surprise, the scousers and most of the English agreed with it ! There was a general feeling - particularly amongst my scouse mates - that there is a long-standing culture for a significant chunk of fans at both Liverpool and Everton of actively trying to get into games without paying and without tickets. And often it's attempting to get in by any means (e.g. theft, forgery, assault etc).

If even fans of Liverpool and Everton think that there's a problem, then that's good enough for me.....

Maybe they were Tranmere fans telling you about these 'rotten' Liverpool and Everton fans :D:D

[Steve Bruce]

Maybe they were Tranmere fans telling you about these 'rotten' Liverpool and Everton fans :D:D

As far as I know all 3 of them where still in the country when DCFC steve was away on holiday.:D

[Thunderblaster]

I have been at 15 Liverpool games and I must say that the fans are brilliant. I have good friends over there also and I can say that I always get well treated over there and the fans have a real community spirit in the ground. Liverpool being described as the worst fans in Europe is a load of balloney.

[bennocelt]

It's hardly a 'general feeling" more a well-known fact. It's called jibbing and the term itself (as well as the practice) is very common in Liverpool and the north west in general. It goes back to the beginnings of casual culture and LFC fans travelling en masse to Europe where they jibbed the trains, jibbed into the games, cleaned-out sports shops etc.

KOH

didnt chelsea fans used to do this years ago too? before they got rid of their real fans

[CollegeTillIDie]

I'm not defending Heysel. The fact is that the stadium wasn't fit to host a European Cup final.If it had been, nobody would have died in my opinion.

Belgium played Ireland in Heysel in 1981 . A friend of mine went and told me even then the stadium was falling down. That's a whole 3.5 years before the 1985 European Cup Final... on a related point the nonsensical nature of some of the Premiershi* fans based in this country is illustrated by the following story.

Some years ago before summer soccer Shelbourne played ManUre in a pre-season friendly and Vinny Arkins was playing for Shels who were wearing all red. One of the ManUre Irish contingent shouted '' You scouse bas*ard at Arkins!'' How fcuking thick is that ?

[Roadend]

Did Arkins have an mullet and tach at the time?

[papa-j]

It's hardly a 'general feeling" more a well-known fact. It's called jibbing and the term itself (as well as the practice) is very common in Liverpool and the north west in general. It goes back to the beginnings of casual culture and LFC fans travelling en masse to Europe where they jibbed the trains, jibbed into the games, cleaned-out sports shops etc.

KOH


They are hooligan / criminal firms. Its about getting one over the rival fans and the authorities. Man U had a firm called the intercity jibbers who would travel all over the UK and europe by sneaking onto busses and trains. They would then rob the local traders blind to fund there booze and drugs benders. They even had their own centralised travel group to make sure they could arrive en-masse and cause as much mahem as possible. Lots of ****ed up idiots being controlled by a small group of nasty and dangerous criminals. Jibbers are criminals who use football as a means to carry out their crimes.
Great book about it called "amongst the thugs" good read, scary stuff.

[galwayhoop]

They are hooligan / criminal firms.

maybe so. but if thats the case then liverpool brought about 15,000 hooligans / criminal firms to athens!

the general feeling there among supporters was they were going to try and get in whether they had a ticket or not!

most people who were trying to get in were just chancing their luck but others were prepared to snatch tickets off their fellow supporters - and this wasn't only a handful of people there was a large number of incidents throughout the day.

it's easier for liverpool supporters to put this down to a few bad eggs who aren't 'real' fans than to face up to the fact that an element of the liverpool support are just bad news.

[reder]

it's easier for liverpool supporters to put this down to a few bad eggs who aren't 'real' fans than to face up to the fact that an element of the liverpool support are just bad news.

Every single football club in Ireland, England,..., the world has a bad element. A football clubs supporters is a cross section of society and like all other grouping it will have its bad elements.

[mypost]

it's easier for liverpool supporters to put this down to a few bad eggs who aren't 'real' fans than to face up to the fact that an element of the liverpool support are just bad news.

It would help if we had a ticket allocation bigger than 11,000 as well. :rolleyes:

[galwayhoop]

Every single football club in Ireland, England,..., the world has a bad element. A football clubs supporters is a cross section of society and like all other grouping it will have its bad elements.

yes i agree 100%, but everytime that there is trouble involving LFC you hear the same old 'they're not real fans... they don't even support liverpool, they are just 'scallys/scumbags looking to cause trouble.' that hide your head in the sand attitude doesn't wash with me.

now, don't get me wrong, liverpool are not the worst club in europe, far from it, but neither are they anywhere close to being the best (in terms of supporter behavour) and the constant denials are tedious.

the fact is that liverpool supporter's behaviour in athens was bad, granted the authorities and stadium weren't up to scratch either but that said any team whose fans flood into a city with 10-15 thousand forged tickets cannot claim immunity from blame. were all of these supporters just scally's or can we say for once and for all that they were actual liverpool supporters and they were acting the maggot and at least attribute some of the blame in their direction?

[galwayhoop]

It would help if we had a ticket allocation bigger than 11,000 as well. :rolleyes:


why did shamrock rovers have any tickets in the first place????

if you are talking about liverpool i think you'll find that the allocation was 17,000 and not 11,000.

[mypost]

why did shamrock rovers have any tickets in the first place????

:confused:

:rolleyes: