Application forms

[Danny]

I got the Slovak application form in the post yesterday but nothing for Czech game, anyone else in the same boat ?
I applied for both of them

[Sligo Hornet]

I got the Slovak application form in the post yesterday but nothing for Czech game, anyone else in the same boat ?
I applied for both of them

Count yourself lucky Danny.........there's feck all in my Boat!!:(

[AidoM]

I got the Slovak application form in the post yesterday but nothing for Czech game, anyone else in the same boat ?
I applied for both of them

I got forms for both games yesterday but they were in seperate envelopes :eek: - obviously justifying the €2.00 handling charge.

[KildareRed]

No money has to be sent just numbers. Doubt anyone will get over the amount of seats thay hold in their block booking.

[Schumi]

Got both yesterday, no prices or location for the Slovakia game though.

[AidoM]

Application form for tickets for Slovakia match received in the post yesterday. I am a Block Booker.

The category is "Irish Section". The venue and the price is TBC (to be confirmed). Details of numbers required only sought.

Application form for tickets for Czech received in the post yesterday (in seperate envelope).

There are 2 categories: (incl. €2.00 handling charge)

Category 1 Price €55.00,
Category 2 Price €37.00


The venue is Toyota Stadium Prague. Kick off TBC (to be confirmed)

Application to be returned by 22nd June and "successful applicants will be notified of the number and price of ticket/s allocated in due course"

[aidz1]

i was on the waiting list for block bookings for a number of years. i only started to get offered tickets from fai for the home games in croker. am i now deemed a block booker in regard to applying for away tickets???

[eirebhoy]

i was on the waiting list for block bookings for a number of years. i only started to get offered tickets from fai for the home games in croker. am i now deemed a block booker in regard to applying for away tickets???
Nope.

[Schumi]

i was on the waiting list for block bookings for a number of years. i only started to get offered tickets from fai for the home games in croker. am i now deemed a block booker in regard to applying for away tickets???No, there's no such thing. Anyone can apply for away tickets but if there aren't enough tickets for the demand, (home) blockbookers get preference.

[NeilMcD]

Well this time they have said they are not taking applications for anyone outside the block booking basically they are saving them and peoples time by not accepting appliation forms from non block bookers as they know they will not satisfy the deman from even the block bookers.

[Schumi]

Hadn't noticed that before, I didn't expect the demand for these games to be that high.

[reder]

Got no forms for Slovakia or Czech Rep but got one for Demark away. €42 a ticket for that one. :eek:

[Saint Tom]

how can the czechs justify €50odd euro? when a decent weekly salary is circa €80?? same bull**** evrywhere we go, big crowd so they rip us off

[Sligo Hornet]

how can the czechs justify €50odd euro? when a decent weekly salary is circa €80?? same bull**** evrywhere we go, big crowd so they rip us off

Agreed Tom.....the price of the ticket would cover TWO good nights out in Prague!!:mad:

[reder]

how can the czechs justify €50odd euro? when a decent weekly salary is circa €80?? same bull**** evrywhere we go, big crowd so they rip us off

Make a stand against it. My mates and I spoke about this last night and we have decided that we not going to go and fork out €50+ for a ticket. We will go to Slovakia, probably on some package because we have absolutely no chance of getting tickets from the FAI after they sort out all the travel agents and their corporate friends. (even though we are block bookers for the last 10+ years.)

[RogerMilla]

lads its not about makign a stand , fact is we ripped the slovakians off for the game in croke park , you use the the decent weekly salary thing as if to see WE are gettign ripped off but in fact we were asking them to pay 2/3 of a weekly salary to watch our game. if you make a stand and the game sells out then your stand will be made in the pub i reckon.

[gspain]

Make a stand against it. My mates and I spoke about this last night and we have decided that we not going to go and fork out €50+ for a ticket. We will go to Slovakia, probably on some package because we have absolutely no chance of getting tickets from the FAI after they sort out all the travel agents and their corporate friends. (even though we are block bookers for the last 10+ years.)

For about the 50th time and a few times to you the FAI DO NOT GIVE TICKETS TO TRAVEL AGENTS. Ray Treacy gets a limited number for his regulars. 747, Abbey Travel et al get none i.e. ZERO. There is no point in travelling with them to get guaranteed Irish end tickets. They do source home tickets locally but you will normally be able to do that yourself anyway. You pay a huge premium to travel with them

We have had 1 qualifier in recent years where tickets were a huge problem (Basle 03). It looks like Prague may be an issue but frankly I don't think there will be too many (if any) Irish locked out in the end. The locals will not be rushing out to pay €50+ per ticket.

If you are a block booker then you still have a good chance of getting tickets through the FAI. It will be oversubscribed but not massively I imagine.

Note there were 3,000 empty seats at Czech v Germany and 4,500 empty seats at Czech v Wales. Their other home games didn't attract 10,000 fans each.

[Paulie]

The locals will not be rushing out to pay €50+ per ticket.


I might be wrong here but I'd have thought that the prices of €37 and €55 for tickets in the Irish end in Prague would be far more expensive than the other areas of the ground which are supposed to be taken up by Czech fans. They know we travel in big numbers so I'd have thought they were trying to get every penny they could from Irish supporters without screwing their own.

Just for the record, while the FAI justifiably get a lot of stick about various issues, I think that they do a pretty good job when it comes to the distribution of tickets for international games. When you see the way that other countries distribute tickets for their national teams it's clear that in this regard they have it about right. The only thing I'd suggest is that they set up a list of fans that travel to away games regularly so that they, as well as the blockbookers for the home games, could be prioritised when it comes to getting tickets for Ireland's away matches.

[NeilMcD]

Yeah the Scots have a travel club and you get points for various away games. So when it comes to the big games with high demand, those that are going to the Faroes next week will get a ticket for France in September no prob. This also carries through if they qualify. We should adopt a similar system but the one we have at the moment is not too bad.



I would trust GSpain much more than reder on this issue also.

[SuperDave]

For about the 50th time and a few times to you the FAI DO NOT GIVE TICKETS TO TRAVEL AGENTS. Ray Treacy gets a limited number for his regulars. 747, Abbey Travel et al get none i.e. ZERO. There is no point in travelling with them to get guaranteed Irish end tickets. They do source home tickets locally but you will normally be able to do that yourself anyway. You pay a huge premium to travel with them

We have had 1 qualifier in recent years where tickets were a huge problem (Basle 03). It looks like Prague may be an issue but frankly I don't think there will be too many (if any) Irish locked out in the end. The locals will not be rushing out to pay €50+ per ticket.

If you are a block booker then you still have a good chance of getting tickets through the FAI. It will be oversubscribed but not massively I imagine.

Note there were 3,000 empty seats at Czech v Germany and 4,500 empty seats at Czech v Wales. Their other home games didn't attract 10,000 fans each.

is the fai doing anything to stop the likes of 747 and abbey getting tickets, because if they're coming from the same place every time...

that said, i think the fai are doing a good job with tickets. also, i don't think being in the home end would be much of a problem in prague. bratislava might be worse though. was cyrmu out in prague for the wales game?

[reder]

For about the 50th time and a few times to you the FAI DO NOT GIVE TICKETS TO TRAVEL AGENTS. Ray Treacy gets a limited number for his regulars. 747, Abbey Travel et al get none i.e. ZERO. There is no point in travelling with them to get guaranteed Irish end tickets.

Well I got nothing for Basel 03 from the FAI. On the exact day I found out that I was getting no tickets I rang up Abbey travel and myself and 2 mates booked a trip with them and we along with everyone else on our bus we got tickets in the lower tier of the irish section.

I also travelled to the last Basel game with another travel agent and we were sitting in the irish end again.

2 guys I work with went to Germany away last year with 747 (I think) and were sitting in the irish section. I got no tickets from the FAI for that game. The same guys went to France with 747 and were sitting right in the middle of the irish section.

Once the ground is finalised for slovakia the travel agents will have offers left, right and centre for packages including tickets for the away end.

Dont get me wrong, I have always found the FAI very pleasant to deal with regarding ticketing but I dont buy this line that Ray Treacy is the only agent who gets tickets for one second. Proof to the contrary is there for all to see.

[Sligo Hornet]

Well I got nothing for Basel 03 from the FAI. On the exact day I found out that I was getting no tickets I rang up Abbey travel and myself and 2 mates booked a trip with them and we along with everyone else on our bus we got tickets in the lower tier of the irish section.

I also travelled to the last Basel game with another travel agent and we were sitting in the irish end again.

2 guys I work with went to Germany away last year with 747 (I think) and were sitting in the irish section. I got no tickets from the FAI for that game. The same guys went to France with 747 and were sitting right in the middle of the irish section.

Once the ground is finalised for slovakia the travel agents will have offers left, right and centre for packages including tickets for the away end.

Dont get me wrong, I have always found the FAI very pleasant to deal with regarding ticketing but I dont buy this line that Ray Treacy is the only agent who gets tickets for one second. Proof to the contrary is there for all to see.


I would tend to agree......"certain people" who move in the correct circles always seem to get the "extras" ( I hasten to state not just close to the FAI )........look at the "missing" 6,000 tickets that were originally allocated to Liverpool fans for Athens!....sad to say but it's the way things are nowadays!:(

[Dotsy]

is the fai doing anything to stop the likes of 747 and abbey getting tickets, because if they're coming from the same place every time...

that said, i think the fai are doing a good job with tickets. also, i don't think being in the home end would be much of a problem in prague. bratislava might be worse though. was cyrmu out in prague for the wales game?

Don't know about Prague SD. I got tickets for the Landsdowne match through a Czech collegue in Prague and he was warning me off saying they had quite a few hardcases in their support (didn't stop us though). There were a few guys throwing shapes at us during the match but there were a couple of stewards standing next to us for most of the match so there were no problems,. That said the majority of the crowd were fine with us been there and we had a bit of crack with them.

Not going to Prague but I am going to Bratislava and will take home tickets if that's the only option.

[gspain]

Well I got nothing for Basel 03 from the FAI. On the exact day I found out that I was getting no tickets I rang up Abbey travel and myself and 2 mates booked a trip with them and we along with everyone else on our bus we got tickets in the lower tier of the irish section.

I also travelled to the last Basel game with another travel agent and we were sitting in the irish end again.

2 guys I work with went to Germany away last year with 747 (I think) and were sitting in the irish section. I got no tickets from the FAI for that game. The same guys went to France with 747 and were sitting right in the middle of the irish section.

Once the ground is finalised for slovakia the travel agents will have offers left, right and centre for packages including tickets for the away end.

Dont get me wrong, I have always found the FAI very pleasant to deal with regarding ticketing but I dont buy this line that Ray Treacy is the only agent who gets tickets for one second. Proof to the contrary is there for all to see.

747s tickets were in the Swiss end in Basle 03. Abbey Travel did not get them direct from the FAI in 03. My recollection is that by the time people found out in 03 re tickets all the trips with guaranteed tickets were sold and I know some people went with 747 unsure of getting tickets. Are you mixing up Basle 03 and 04? If not I can only assume that abbey travel got them from an official or sponsor or maybe a combination of the 2.

I should have pointed out of course that travel agents have no problems getting tickets for the away end when there is not sufficient demand from block bookers eg San Marino and Cyprus.

BTW I don't work for the FAI. I've no connection with the ticket office although I do find them very helpful an defficient. FWIW I agree we should have a system like England or Scotland where priority is given to fans who travel away regularly.

[Sligo Hornet]

747s tickets were in the Swiss end in Basle 03. Abbey Travel did not get them direct from the FAI in 03. My recollection is that by the time people found out in 03 re tickets all the trips with guaranteed tickets were sold and I know some people went with 747 unsure of getting tickets. Are you mixing up Basle 03 and 04? If not I can only assume that abbey travel got them from an official or sponsor or maybe a combination of the 2.

I should have pointed out of course that travel agents have no problems getting tickets for the away end when there is not sufficient demand from block bookers eg San Marino and Cyprus.

BTW I don't work for the FAI. I've no connection with the ticket office although I do find them very helpful an defficient. FWIW I agree we should have a system like England or Scotland where priority is given to fans who travel away regularly.


........Freudian slip perhaps??;)

[reder]

747s tickets were in the Swiss end in Basle 03. Abbey Travel did not get them direct from the FAI in 03. My recollection is that by the time people found out in 03 re tickets all the trips with guaranteed tickets were sold and I know some people went with 747 unsure of getting tickets. Are you mixing up Basle 03 and 04? If not I can only assume that abbey travel got them from an official or sponsor or maybe a combination of the 2.

I should have pointed out of course that travel agents have no problems getting tickets for the away end when there is not sufficient demand from block bookers eg San Marino and Cyprus.

BTW I don't work for the FAI. I've no connection with the ticket office although I do find them very helpful an defficient. FWIW I agree we should have a system like England or Scotland where priority is given to fans who travel away regularly.

No it was definitely Basel 03 for Abbey. It was the Saturday fixture at the end of the campaign when tickets were like gold dust. Basel 04 was a wed night game. As you suggested, I do suspect that sponsors etc do provide tickets to these travel agents.

Also, I totally agree with you regarding the FAI ticket office. I have always found them a pleasure to deal with.

A loyalty system would be fantastic. It is very frustrating attending the "smaller" away fixtures only too loose out on tickets when it comes to the bigger teams.

[joe_barry80]

Got a 2 emails last week saying due to the allocation and the size of the stadiums that I will not be receiving tickets for both games. Saying that the Czech game against Germany was not even a sell out there was 18,000 odd in the stadium that leaves 2,000 free and Germany is a neighbouring country. I reckon the locals will sell very easily and the same in Slovakia. Unfortunitly I can't make the p*ss up (sorry game)

[scousedub]

I cant make it to either the Slovakia or Czech Rep games but am going to apply for tickets anyway. I am a block booker so hopefully should have a chance of getting two for each game.I will offer tickets here at face value of course. Hopefully anyone else who is not travelling will also apply and offer tickets here to genuine supporters.

[Saint Tom]

will this not just add extra applicants, and more division of the allocation?

[zenokelly]

will this not just add extra applicants, and more division of the allocation?

No, because at least here, real fans will get their hands on them and not one-off holiday trippers

[KildareRed]

No, because at least here, real fans will get their hands on them and not one-off holiday trippers

Surely most people on blockbooking list would be real fans. The more applications in from people who arent even thinking of going are stopping fans who actually want to go.

[scousedub]

Surely most people on blockbooking list would be real fans. The more applications in from people who arent even thinking of going are stopping fans who actually want to go.

Probably, but i'd say some block bookers sell them on at a profit. As you can see from foot.ie there are a hell of a lot of genuine supporters who are not block bookers and as i said in my earlier post at least my tickets are guaranteed to go to genuine fans.

[Superhoops]

Probably, but i'd say some block bookers sell them on at a profit. As you can see from foot.ie there are a hell of a lot of genuine supporters who are not block bookers and as i said in my earlier post at least my tickets are guaranteed to go to genuine fans.

The genuine supporters will be those making their way to Denmark. There are several on this forum who are no better than 'day trippers' picking and chosing the games they want to go to and then whinge when they cannot get tickets for their selected games. The FAI are savvy enough to know who goes regualrly and who doesnt and when tickets are scarce the regulars will always 'be successful in the ballot'.

Any Block Bookers who sell on at a profit tickets they are allocated by the FAI should be banned for life from ever getting another ticket from the FAI.

[NeilMcD]

So superhoops, are you saying that anybody who is not going to Denmark is not a genuine fan.

[shakermaker1982]

I can't make Denmark. I just cannot justify it financially it to the missus.

Sept sees us going to 2 Irish rugby games in France (Bordeaux, Paris), Slovakia as well tickets permitting. I'd have tried the Czech game but Ireland play in the World Cup the day after and not even I'm that stupid to try and get that one past her!!!!! I then have to fly back home for the Croke Park games (October) and then the month after I want to go to Cardiff. So as cool as Denmark sounds I won't be making that voyage!

[Sligo Hornet]

I can't make Denmark. I just cannot justify it financially it to the missus.

Sept sees us going to 2 Irish rugby games in France (Bordeaux, Paris), Slovakia as well tickets permitting. I'd have tried the Czech game but Ireland play in the World Cup the day after and not even I'm that stupid to try and get that one past her!!!!! I then have to fly back home for the Croke Park games (October) and then the month after I want to go to Cardiff. So as cool as Denmark sounds I won't be making that voyage!

Typical excuses from a "Non -Genuine Fan"!!;)

[Dodge]

Just for the record, I know a guy who worked for Abbey Travel and one of his jobs was sourcing tickets. Abbey Travel have never received an allocation from the FAI. There's a reason why they charge so much for those trips lads...

[Superhoops]

So superhoops, are you saying that anybody who is not going to Denmark is not a genuine fan.
For me the real genuine fans are the diehards who go to every game. I don't know what others consider to be a genuine fan, but if someone prefers going to rugby or GAA games in precedence over Ireland games, then they are hardly a genuine fan in the real sense, more akin to being an event junkie than a genuine fan and not much better than the 'day tripper'. That's only my opinion though.

[Sligo Hornet]

For me the real genuine fans are the diehards who go to every game. I don't know what others consider to be a genuine fan, but if someone prefers going to rugby or GAA games in precedence over Ireland games, then they are hardly a genuine fan in the real sense, more akin to being an event junkie than a genuine fan and not much better than the 'day tripper'. That's only my opinion though.

Don't forget there are many Genuine Fans that would love to go to every game....but for financial reasons, work or family commitments, can only save up for, or pick and choose certain games to attend.

This does not make them any less genuine, nor qualify them as "Day Trippers"!

[CollegeTillIDie]

I heard somewhere that Prague was not going to be the venue for the Czech V Ireland game , but Teplice which holds 1,500 fewer people.

Likewise Bratislava was also off the radar for the Irish game at one point if I am not mistaken . Can anyone confirm the venues?:confused:

[Sligo Hornet]

I heard somewhere that Prague was not going to be the venue for the Czech V Ireland game , but Teplice which holds 1,500 fewer people.

Likewise Bratislava was also off the radar for the Irish game at one point if I am not mistaken . Can anyone confirm the venues?:confused:


I'm almost certain Czech game IS in Prague (Toyota Stadium) and the "general feeling" is that the Slovakia game WILL be in Bratislava

[Superhoops]

I heard somewhere that Prague was not going to be the venue for the Czech V Ireland game , but Teplice which holds 1,500 fewer people.

Likewise Bratislava was also off the radar for the Irish game at one point if I am not mistaken . Can anyone confirm the venues?:confused:

From FAI website (has been posted for several weeks):

Slovakia v Rep of Ireland: 8th September 2007
We have not yet been informed by the Slovakia Football Association where this match will take place but normally they play their international matches in the Tehelne Pole Stadium in Bratislava which has a capacity of 30,085. Under UEFA regulations the FAI are only entitled to 10% of the tickets for the game.

Because of the small allocation we anticipate receiving for this Euro 2008 qualifier against Slovakia we are unable to take orders from non-FAI block booker account holders.

Applications forms will be distributed to FAI block booker account holders shortly. Because demand is expected to exceed supply not all applications will be successful.

Czech Republic v Rep. of Ireland: 12th September 2007

Because of the small allocation we have received for the Euro 2008 qualifier against the Czech Republic we are unable to take orders from non-FAI block booker account holders.

The Toyota Arena in Prague has a capacity of 20,565 and under UEFA regulations the FAI are only entitled to 10 per cent of the tickets for the game.

Applications forms will be distributed to FAI block booker account holders shortly. Because demand is expected to exceed supply not all applications will be successful.

[Superhoops]

Don't forget there are many Genuine Fans that would love to go to every game....but for financial reasons, work or family commitments, can only save up for, or pick and choose certain games to attend.

This does not make them any less genuine, nor qualify them as "Day Trippers"!
I accept there are many in this position. However, let's say 100 of these 'genuine fans' for financial reasons or because they have not got enough leave from work left, can only go to one away game in the remainder of this year, how many do you think would chose Denmark as their first choice? Not many, I would suggest.

Those who pick and choose games on the basis of financial, work or family reasons generally do so because for them attending those specific games takes priority over everything else. For the games they choose not to go to everything else takes priority over the games.

BTW, I never understood the concept of a 'day tripper' not being a genuine fan. I have done several 'day trips', particularly when I lived in the UK and particulary when home games were played in the afternoons. In and out of Dublin on the same day. I have also done 'in and out' trips to Cyprus, Israel, Poland and Tehran, flying in on the morning or afternoon of the game and then back out again in the early hours of the morning after the game. Not sure if that qualifies me as a genuine fan or a day tripper? :confused:

[Sligo Hornet]

I accept there are many in this position. However, let's say 100 of these 'genuine fans' for financial reasons or because they have not got enough leave from work left, can only go to one away game in the remainder of this year, how many do you think would chose Denmark as their first choice? Not many, I would suggest.

Those who pick and choose games on the basis of financial, work or family reasons generally do so because for them attending those specific games takes priority over everything else. For the games they choose not to go to everything else takes priority over the games.

BTW, I never understood the concept of a 'day tripper' not being a genuine fan. I have done several 'day trips', particularly when I lived in the UK and particulary when home games were played in the afternoons. In and out of Dublin on the same day. I have also done 'in and out' trips to Cyprus, Israel, Poland and Tehran, flying in on the morning or afternoon of the game and then back out again in the early hours of the morning after the game. Not sure if that qualifies me as a genuine fan or a day tripper? :confused:

Perhaps you are a rare breed......" A Genuine Day-Tripping Fan " ! ;)

[shakermaker1982]

For me the real genuine fans are the diehards who go to every game. I don't know what others consider to be a genuine fan, but if someone prefers going to rugby or GAA games in precedence over Ireland games, then they are hardly a genuine fan in the real sense, more akin to being an event junkie than a genuine fan and not much better than the 'day tripper'. That's only my opinion though.

I wouldn't classify myself as an "event junkie" because I fly back to Knock to attend Mayo games!!!! I see it more as a punishment.

[Sligo Hornet]

I wouldn't classify myself as an "event junkie" because I fly back to Knock to attend Mayo games!!!! I see it more as a punishment.

Although with the constant threat from fog, getting in and out of Knock can certainly be "eventful" :D

[NeilMcD]

From the FAI website.

Slovakia v Rep of Ireland: 8th September 2007

We have not yet been informed by the Slovakia Football Association where this match will take place but normally they play their international matches in the Tehelne Pole Stadium in Bratislava which has a capacity of 30,085. Under UEFA regulations the FAI are only entitled to 10% of the tickets for the game.

Because of the small allocation we anticipate receiving for this Euro 2008 qualifier against Slovakia we are unable to take orders from non-FAI block booker account holders.

Applications forms will be distributed to FAI block booker account holders shortly. Because demand is expected to exceed supply not all applications will be successful.



Czech Republic v Rep. of Ireland: 12th September 2007

Because of the small allocation we have received for the Euro 2008 qualifier against the Czech Republic we are unable to take orders from non-FAI block booker account holders.

The Toyota Arena in Prague has a capacity of 20,565 and under UEFA regulations the FAI are only entitled to 10 per cent of the tickets for the game.

Applications forms will be distributed to FAI block booker account holders shortly. Because demand is expected to exceed supply not all applications will be successful.

[NeilMcD]

I accept there are many in this position. However, let's say 100 of these 'genuine fans' for financial reasons or because they have not got enough leave from work left, can only go to one away game in the remainder of this year, how many do you think would chose Denmark as their first choice? Not many, I would suggest.

Those who pick and choose games on the basis of financial, work or family reasons generally do so because for them attending those specific games takes priority over everything else. For the games they choose not to go to everything else takes priority over the games.

BTW, I never understood the concept of a 'day tripper' not being a genuine fan. I have done several 'day trips', particularly when I lived in the UK and particulary when home games were played in the afternoons. In and out of Dublin on the same day. I have also done 'in and out' trips to Cyprus, Israel, Poland and Tehran, flying in on the morning or afternoon of the game and then back out again in the early hours of the morning after the game. Not sure if that qualifies me as a genuine fan or a day tripper? :confused:


It makes sense to choose the doulbe header over the trip to Denmark. If you have financial or leave constraints it makes more sense to go on the double header which gets 2 games in and they are both competitive than a friendly a couple of weeks before this. Away friendlies a couple of weeks before an away double header must be the most difficult of matches to go to from a family or financial point of view. I am happy that I wont miss a competitive away match for this campaign other than Cyprus and if I dont make Denmark so be it.

[reder]

Just for the record, I know a guy who worked for Abbey Travel and one of his jobs was sourcing tickets. Abbey Travel have never received an allocation from the FAI. There's a reason why they charge so much for those trips lads...

Where do they get them Dodge? Is it from touting agencies in the uk? It really must take some amount of work to get 180 tickets in a block in an away end. I know that they get tickets from these agencies for all their uk club games but they can rarely sell tickets for the away ends from what I have seen.

I think Denmark is just a bit too much for most fans in truth. Fair play to anyone who goes but I certainly wouldnt question the loyalty of anyone who cant make it.

On daytrippers, I just know Germany at home is going to bring daytripping to a new level. Wales was terrible. It felt bizarre but if we are in the hunt for qualification Germany will be hell.

[NeilMcD]

To be honest I try not to let so called day trippers annoy me as I am so engrossed in the game etc.