New north Dublin club planned

[Rasher]

An ad in this morning's Irish Times:

Soccer Development
"Fingal County Council is in the process of finalising a Soccer Development Plan for the county. As part of this, the Council proposes to facilitate the development of a club to represent the entire county in the eircom League. The council is preparing an application for the Club for an FAI licence, with the aim for the club to be a participant in the League of Ireland for the 2008 season.
Fingal CC is interested in discussing this proposal… with prospective financial partners. …..further information may be obtained from etc. etc."

Is this rubber stamping a deal already done, or is it a whole new development?

[Poor Student]

Someone mentioned ages ago that there were plans to develop a new team to play in the 'A' Championship out of Fingal.

[soccerc]

It is being promoted by a former Ireland international in partnership with Fingal CC

It is my understanding that 90% of the plan is in place and the only outstanding hurdle is financial/commercial.


I also understand a site has been earmarked for development into a compact all seater stadium/ academy with allied facilities.

[CuanaD]

An ad in this morning's Irish Times:

Soccer Development
the development of a club to represent the entire county in the eircom League. The council is preparing an application for the Club for an FAI licence, with the aim for the club to be a participant in the League of Ireland for the 2008 season.

= NEW club

[Jerry The Saint]

Surely the council has better things to spend money on than running a football club. Especially when the last club to represent Fingal went out of business TWICE.


with the aim for the club to be a participant in the League of Ireland for the 2008 season.

Not exactly a long-term grassroots project then - the only way this could work is if they took the place of another Dublin club in next year's First Division:confused:

[pete]

Surely the council has better things to spend money on than running a football club.

Don't let the GAA here this :eek:

[Dodge]

Slightly off topic but anyone else thing the peopll behind Fingal County council, trying to get themselves a whole new county (separate to Dublin) is a bit much?

[OneRedArmy]

I've an idea, call the team Dublin City and have them play in the Dublin GAA colours to sell lots of merchandise.

Its a sure-fire winner....

[BohsPartisan]

Slightly off topic but anyone else thing the peopll behind Fingal County council, trying to get themselves a whole new county (separate to Dublin) is a bit much?

There's been a seperate local authority for years which reflects the population so in administrative terms it is a different county. Lets remember that all counties are is administrative boundaries. What is now Fingal was for a long time part of the kingdom of Brega and later Greater Midhe.
Ridiculous idea to set up a new football club though, especially when the biggest club in the country will soon be playing there anyway.

[dcfcsteve]

.... especially when the biggest club in the country will soon be playing there anyway.

I know we have problems with our own council and stadium, but there's no chance of City upping sticks and moving to Dublin I'm afraid.....

[drummerboy]

I flagged this development before. They will initially play out of Morton Stadium. Liam Campell (ex Pats) was supposedly involved. They are probably hoping to tap in the huge population out in Swords, an area where Bohs are also hoping to attract new fans from when they relocate to Harristown.

[passinginterest]

Sounds like exactly the type of team the new 'A' League is looking to attract. If it looks to develop young players in the area and dosen't try to become a professional or even semi pro side it could be very successful. It's not necessarily going to compete with Bohemians.

If the A and B league idea is to succeed it's clubs like this being set up around the country that will make it work. Catering for a specific area at first and if it gets faclilities and player development sorted initially it can eventually try to gain promotion to the first division.

[dublinred]

According to Trevor Sargent of the greens Swords is bigger than Waterford and Galway , could it sustain a new club?

[dcfcsteve]

According to Trevor Sargent of the greens Swords is bigger than Waterford and Galway , could it sustain a new club?

Wouldn't surprise me.

If Tallaght was a City, it would be the 3rd biggest in the Republic, and 5th biggest in the country (only slightly smaller than Derry, depending on what measure of both conurbations you used).

[Dodge]

There's been a seperate local authority for years which reflects the population so in administrative terms it is a different county. Lets remember that all counties are is administrative boundaries. .

I know all that, but does it have greater claims on "independence" than DunLaoighre or South Dublin County Council's area?

[BohsPartisan]

I know all that, but does it have greater claims on "independence" than DunLaoighre or South Dublin County Council's area?

I wouldn't say so, no. Unless they want to claim they're ethnic Bregans! :D

[Philly]

On the A League, does this mean a team can get relegated to the A League from D1 etc?

[Ceirtlis]

According to Trevor Sargent of the greens Swords is bigger than Waterford and Galway , could it sustain a new club?

He is talking through his hole if he said that. Population of Swords is 37000 population of Galway 71000, Waterford is bigger as well.

[Schumi]

On the A League, does this mean a team can get relegated to the A League from D1 etc?I think the plan was that the bottom team in Division 1 would play off against the winner* of the A League.

*If there are enough teams to require more than one group in the A League, the winners** of each group will play off to decide the winner of the league.

**Eircom league reserve teams will not be included.

[Torn-Ado]

According to Trevor Sargent of the greens Swords is bigger than Waterford and Galway , could it sustain a new club?

Ceirtlis is correct. http://www.citypopulation.de/Ireland.html

For once.

:D

[Poor Student]

On the A League, does this mean a team can get relegated to the A League from D1 etc?

Yes. It's slightly complicated. The 'A' League will be divided into regional groups and will also contain reserve teams of senior clubs. The highest placed non-reserve team in each group (as long as they finish in the top four) will playoff to decide who will then playoff against bottom in the first division.

[Jerry The Saint]

Ceirtlis is correct. http://www.citypopulation.de/Ireland.html

For once.

:D


Interesting to see Lucan and Clondalkin included in there.

Here's another list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland/Largest_100

Either way, Swords can be said to be the biggest town without a LOI club but Bohs moving there will fix that - leaving Pats as the biggest/only club in Dublin City and ensuring an even spread of clubs across the Dublin admin regions.

Is the new 'A' league expected to be up and running for next season? Otherwise this looks like a play by FCC to take Shelbourne's place:confused:

[WeAreRovers]

Liam Campell (ex Pats) was supposedly involved.

One of those names is correct. ;)

Dodge - I know of one LOI club director who lives in 'County Fingal' and he's on a one man mission to stop this county nonsense.

KOH

[Dodge]

Best of luck to him...

Wasn't Liam BUCKLEY the acceptable face of Drumaville's land grab in Tallaght too?

[DecBoh]

Either way, Swords can be said to be the biggest town without a LOI club but Bohs moving there will fix that

We're not moving to Swords, we're moving to Harristown....hell of a lot closer to Ballymun than it is to Swords. Ballymun, Santry, Poppintree & Finglas would be closer than Swords.

[drummerboy]

Best of luck to him...

Wasn't Liam BUCKLEY the acceptable face of Drumaville's land grab in Tallaght too?

Appologies, Liam Buckley it was who was trying to sell this in presentations around north Dublin to junior clubs.

[BohDiddley]

Irish football needs another Dublin club like it needs a hole in the head, and Fingal council staff obviously need more work to occupy themselves with.
The game needs to consolidate and build on what it has, rather than engaging in these madcap schemes. It seems just anyone come along and apply for an eL licence. Shouldn't a club have to play its way into the league?

[WeAreRovers]

Best of luck to him...

Wasn't Liam BUCKLEY the acceptable face of Drumaville's land grab in Tallaght too?

Correct and right.

KOH

[incident]

Not exactly a long-term grassroots project then - the only way this could work is if they took the place of another Dublin club in next year's First Division:confused:
According to Genesis (assuming they're even pretending to follow it anymore), the A League is supposed to start with the 2008 season, so they could enter at that level.

[GavinZac]

Shouldn't a club have to play its way into the league?If you mean Wexford, they were very successful at intermediate level.

[Tis-smeee]

I've an idea, call the team Dublin City and have them play in the Dublin GAA colours to sell lots of merchandise.

Its a sure-fire winner....
potm when in context

[Poor Student]

Who cares if it's a Dublin club as long as its a sustainable entity? Dublin City's problem was not being the nth Dublin club but having ambitions above its station and no solid foundations. If they're a developmental club along the lines of the old Home Farm and ply their trade in the 'A' Championship then I don't see the problem.

[neutrino]

any thoughts on this. another dublin city(unfair comparision maybe) or can it succeed in getting established ?

May 18, 2007 (eleven-a-side.com)

Proposals to form a new eircom League of Ireland club in north Dublin, putatively titled Fingal FC, are in the pipeline, according to a Friday morning newspaper report.

The Irish Daily Mirror claims that Liam Buckley, the former Athlone Town, St Patrick’s Athletic and Shamrock Rovers manager, is at the forefront of the plan.

The new club could take part in the eircom League’s A Division – effectively a new third tier, including some reserve teams from existing League clubs – which is scheduled to come into being in 2008.

Buckley & Co have been in discussions with Fingal County Council over the possible use of the Morton Stadium in Santry as the home venue for the new club, which could be run as an adult outlet for alumni of the thriving North Dublin Schoolboys’ League.

[Bluebeard]

Well there can't be a new club until another one drops out, unless they expand the league (unlikely), which begs the question - who will they replace?

Given the current regimes hope for franchise football and the theory that there will be a fair and equitable distribution of football across the country, it stands to reason that they are not doing this on a mere whim if they have any sense, but are looking at things with some insight. In itself, this suggests that there may be an axe about to fall somewhere in or near Dublin, and, based on performance, it is most likely Shels, which in my book would be a bit unfair. They can hardly chop UCD or Bray, who are the other "Dublin" sides most likely, as they are doing quite well. Wexford, Dundalk and Drogheda are not going to get chopped, and Longford, Kilkenny and Monaghan are the next closest with any remotelikelihood, but they are well out of the Pale, regardless of where they train.

Sounds well suspect to me, whether there is anything in it or not. I'm putting my money on "not".

[TheBoss]

The League is somewhat expanding into the A Championship for 2008 season as the 3rd Level.

[BohsFans]

Buckley & Co have been in discussions with Fingal County Council over the possible use of the Morton Stadium in Santry as the home venue for the new club.

It got a grant of €450,000 recently as well.

[Pablo]

whats the point in that? The support and talent is diluted too much already.

[dcfcsteve]

Well there can't be a new club until another one drops out, unless they expand the league (unlikely), which begs the question - who will they replace?

Given the current regimes hope for franchise football and the theory that there will be a fair and equitable distribution of football across the country, it stands to reason that they are not doing this on a mere whim if they have any sense, but are looking at things with some insight. In itself, this suggests that there may be an axe about to fall somewhere in or near Dublin, and, based on performance, it is most likely Shels, which in my book would be a bit unfair. They can hardly chop UCD or Bray, who are the other "Dublin" sides most likely, as they are doing quite well. Wexford, Dundalk and Drogheda are not going to get chopped, and Longford, Kilkenny and Monaghan are the next closest with any remotelikelihood, but they are well out of the Pale, regardless of where they train.

Sounds well suspect to me, whether there is anything in it or not. I'm putting my money on "not".

Why would the FAI want to boot out any existings teams unvoluntarily ? Better the devil you know, and all that...

[finnpark]

There are too many teams from Dublin in the league already.

What about Cavan,Mayo,Tipp,Laois,Kerry,Leitrim, Clare,Roscommon,Meath etc.

Theres more to this world than just Dublin you know.

[Dodge]

There are too many teams from Dublin in the league already.

What about Cavan,Mayo,Tipp,Laois,Kerry,Leitrim, Clare,Roscommon,Meath etc.

Theres more to this world than just Dublin you know.

But the people setting up the club aren't from there. NOTHING stopping any clubs being set up in those areas. For once, this is not the fault of the FAI

[John83]

There are too many teams from Dublin in the league already.

What about Cavan,Mayo,Tipp,Laois,Kerry,Leitrim, Clare,Roscommon,Meath etc.

Theres more to this world than just Dublin you know.
Dublin's a big place. There are less than 70,000 people in all of Laois, less again in Cavan. Roscommon is even less again.

Why do people think these places are inherently better than the north of Dublin just because they're not in Dublin? Fans don't come from nowhere.

[Kildare Lad]

So will the A Championship be made up mostly of teams in the Leinster Senior League? Will they all be announced at the end of the year? 20 teams is it?

[Mr A]

It'll mostly be made up of senior reserve sides. All premier clubs must enter a team and first division clubs are encouraged to do so. I don't think the numbers are entirely settled but apparently it'll be run on a North South split.

[incident]

It'll mostly be made up of senior reserve sides. All premier clubs must enter a team and first division clubs are encouraged to do so. I don't think the numbers are entirely settled but apparently it'll be run on a North South split.
According to Genesis, the (total) number of sides entered is supposed be be variable, depending on how many clubs wish to enter - Genesis says between 20 and 30 - so even with every Premier club entering along with maybe 2 or 3 1st Division clubs, there's still plenty of room for new sides.

The regional split will depend on how many teams enter the competition. If only (the minimum) 20 sides enter, then it'd be 2 groups of 10. If more sides take part then the competition can be split into 3 or 4 regional groups.

[Fingal hoop]

I wouldn't say so, no. Unless they want to claim they're ethnic Bregans! :D

historically it is a proper distinct region from Dublin -even has its owb language

Fingalian is an extinct language spoken by the people of Fingal, an area to the north of Dublin. It is similar to the Yola language, and the two (both of which became extinct in the mid-1800s) are often referred to as a single language, "Yola and Fingalian".

Fingalian is usually regarded as a dialect of Old English, but it could be a vestige of the Old Norse spoken by the Viking settlers of Fingal.

[eurosaint]

Lads I have it from a very good source that its actually John Devine thats behind this new club,its gonna be based on a Scandiniavian club set up with part time players etc

[Dodge]

its gonna be based on a Scandiniavian club set up with part time players etc

As opposed to the Irish c;ubs that have part time players :rolleyes:

[eurosaint]

from what i hear its going to be run totally different to any other club who have ever played football in the league.

[d13bohs]

from what i hear its going to be run totally different to any other club who have ever played football in the league.


Are they gonna use last-man back? Fly-keeper? :confused:

[Dodge]

from what i hear its going to be run totally different to any other club who have ever played football in the league.

NOt being funny but I think every club ever has madea similar pledge