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pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 12:58 PM
secondly schumi im sorry if i offend you but UCD are no big cats that we should be happy against drawing with..... they are punching well above there weight this year and i didnt think ye we'r much better then bray(i know conditions we'r bad in case you challenge that statement considering the weather)
What on earth is "we'r"?!?!
On your actual point though, if you consider the bottom five to be Galway, Longford, Bray, Waterford and Sligo, then our league record against them since Pete Mahon took over at the end of 2003 is P39 W22 D11 L6 F65 A26. Only one of those defeats was at home, and eight of the draws were away too. It's been fairly consistent over the past few years, which discounts your thoery that it's only this year we're punching above our weight. Longford are the only team to have beaten us more than once in that period. That doesn't really equate with your idea that we're a team who are just a bit better than Bray (record 7-2-1-21-7 in that time). We're not exactly title contenders, but if you're going to be disappointed with a draw against us, you're setting your sights too high.
As requested (!) I'm not taking offence or anything. If you want to underestimate us, it's no skin off my nose. We've gotten very consistent against the teams in the lower half of the league, so a draw is a good result for youz.
Schumi
22/05/2007, 1:02 PM
What on earth is "we'r"?!?!'were' obviously. :rolleyes:
pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 1:03 PM
Yeah, I figured that, thanks. I was wondering where on earth it mutated from. It looks like there's a lot of thought gone into its construction.
Stu nobody is allowed point this out to Gilberto as he thinks we should be beating everyone because we have gone full time 4 monhs ago and Galway is a huge city. :)
pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 1:05 PM
Oops.
Looking forward to his reply even more now, actually. :)
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 1:25 PM
Stu nobody is allowed point this out to Gilberto as he thinks we should be beating everyone because we have gone full time 4 monhs ago and Galway is a huge city. :)
surprise surprise if it isnt our ''best supporter'' telling the gospel according to...himself!
i didnt say we should be beating everyone i said in relation to schumi that a draw against UCD at home isnt a great result..... get your facts right
in relation to your ''nobody is allowed point this to gilberto'' sure your the only one i argue with(and anybody argueswith btw) and by saying ''nobody'' your trying to say you plus more ppl when in fact im not the friendless person on this forum
take a look in the mirror before you go around accusing ppl of things because ive never met such an arrogant ''im the best fan'' supporter at the club(or any kind of a club for that matter)
while your having a go at me ill have one at you...... how many other GUFC fans on here are happy at our situation at the moment??.... gufct is happy anyway anyone else agree??
..... 1 win, 2nd bottom, constant tactics/stragedy changes, players playing out of position,a junior ''b'' team standard player constantly starting(up front)........ oooh that(to quote from our forum)....''anyone who's been following GUFC for yrs would bite your hand off for where we are nw''.. :rolleyes:
btw it has nothing to do with been gone full-time not like this is our 1st yr aswell, and yes a city of galways size should be competing with the likes of cork and playing in europe every 2nd year!!.....
you might be happy at looking back to 1991 judging by your mentality but the majority of supporters arent and unless omething changes soon we could be back playing the likes of the mons and kilkenny again
grow up and stop taking snipes at me cause im getting sick of it now!
Rattle and Cot are the two words that spring to mind. Ive never said anywhere that im a better gufc supporter than anyone else ill leave that to the people who know it all.
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 1:59 PM
Rattle and Cot are the two words that spring to mind. Ive never said anywhere that im a better gufc supporter than anyone else ill leave that to the people who know it all.
you dont have to say it....it shows(not saying that u didnt to someone at some point)
well i think the fact that you dont travel on the supporters bus or are friendly with anyone on that bus says it all about your arrogance!
you even have a sly dig at where i live in galway before on the other froum at the end of a counter-post towards mine.....
you should think long and hard about yourself before you call me a baby;)
Not travelling on the supporters bus has more to do with my work than anything else and the fact that I organised the self same buses for 15 years makes your point look rather stupid. I have been travelling on the supporters bus this season as well and always sit or stand with our fans chanting and singing so I dont know where that leaves me not being friendly with anyone.
I know most GUFC supporters of any age and watched a lot of them grow up and would consider a majority of them as friends so just because a certain few like abusing me here or at matches it still doesnt bother me .
Claret Murph
22/05/2007, 2:25 PM
OOOHHHH TOMMY
Not to worry I will be your friend and I will have nothing bad said againist you so there .
T just put the money in the bag and address it to Claret Murph and leave in it Athenry in the same spot as always .
and just when I was feeling so friendless;) .Thanks Claret for restoring my faith in Mankind.:D
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 2:33 PM
Not travelling on the supporters bus has more to do with my work than anything else and the fact that I organised the self same buses for 15 years makes your point look rather stupid. I have been travelling on the supporters bus this season as well and always sit or stand with our fans chanting and singing so I dont know where that leaves me not being friendly with anyone.
I know most GUFC supporters of any age and watched a lot of them grow up and would consider a majority of them as friends so just because a certain few like abusing me here or at matches it still doesnt bother me .
well i havent missed a game this year and i only remember you been on ONE bus on the way back and sitting up the front quietly:confused:
in relation to your 1st point well in the here and the now you seperate yourself from the majority of the fans...... i remember on one occasion also the bus passed you out waiting on a lift(hence you could have easily got it that day for one)
well you might have a lot more fans from the current crop if you didnt go around personally abusing fellow posters all the time...this is after all a forum where every thread and post is a conflict of interest as such.... just the majority of us can keep our conflicting opinions at a mature debatable level
And whats wrong where I sit on the bus or how I travel to games as long as I get there and sing and chant for my team.Mature Debate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 3:06 PM
And whats wrong where I sit on the bus or how I travel to games as long as I get there and sing and chant for my team.Mature Debate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:
well now your going back on what you said.... u lied and said you've been on the buses and having the laugh with the fans which isnt true!.....
my point was your arrogance is plain to see...... ya well it is a mature debate for anyone until you come along on personal tirade thinking your opinions are the only valid ones!:rolleyes:
Lads - Get a room or pm each other. This is getting embarrassing - Who sits where on the bus:confused:
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 3:27 PM
Lads - Get a room or pm each other. This is getting embarrassing - Who sits where on the bus:confused:
it has nothing to do with sitting where on a bus and if you read it all you'd have seen that... im sick of him having personal digs at me concerning my posts on here and our forum..... the bus thing was him lying btw :p
Well im being accused of Personal abuse,Being friendless,arrogant and God knows what else so im f****d if im getting a private room.
Now to be a true fan you have to sit in the back of the bus having the crack anything less and your a fraud.
it has nothing to do with sitting where on a bus and if you read it all you'd have seen that:p
Sorry - Was getting bored with it so was just skimming over it:D
And i am a liar because i said buses rather than bus. Just because I prefer travelling with my friends I have to put up with this rubbish.
I think this is highly entertaining- nice work lads :D
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 3:42 PM
And i am a liar because i said buses rather than bus. Just because I prefer travelling with my friends I have to put up with this rubbish.
no you we'r refering to the supporters buses its plain to see above!!.... stop playing the innocent victim ploy here you have been having personal swipes at me for a while now...you even made a remark about claddagh in a post of the other forum.... you dont even know who i am... i know who you are though as after the 2nd or 3rd time you had a swipe i took it upon myself to find out who it was....
your highly arrogant and bitter and anyone who says that this year has been a joke so far is talking complete crap in your opinon the way you respond shows this!!.... i think also the fact the offensive chants are sung(by a handful) about you highlight this (even though i swear ive never done it).... OR booed the players off...i however feel i have a right to voice my dissapointment of the predicament we find ourselves in considering i attend every game(which has a high cost away frm home) without having it turned personal by someone who doesnt even know me!.
i however dont want to argue with you or neither am i getting pleasure out of this... i have no problem with an argument of opinions with posters on this or other forums but you are the only person who has turned it personal..... if you leave it out ill happily keep to myself!
pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 3:49 PM
im sick of him having personal digs at me concerning my posts on here and our forum
It might be an idea then to defend your views that Galway shouldn't be happy with a point against UCD in light of the stats you were given rather than going off on some puerile, semi-literate rant.
Looking forward to his reply even more now, actually.
Thanks for flagging this for me, gufct! Great craic!
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 3:53 PM
It might be an idea then to defend your views that Galway shouldn't be happy with a point against UCD in light of the stats you were given rather than going off on some puerile, semi-literate rant.
Thanks for flagging this for me, gufct! Great craic!
no because this has been going on for a while and ive ''semi-ignored'' it till now!!...
coming back to that if we are going to be happy with a draw with UCD at HOME i think we are as good as releagtion candidates...who should be be hoping to beat??... just longford and waterford?... that dont amount to a whole lot of wins now.... if that mentality is adobted in that a draw with UCD is a good result well then you'd be expecting to lose to a higher tier team(i.e drogs,pats etc...)
if we we'r in your position then maybe a draw wouldnt be too bad but having said that we are 2nd bottom and only have one win we need to be beating the likes of sligo,ucd and rovers at home and taking the point away as a decent point!
pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 3:58 PM
we'r
Seriously, where did you pick that up?!
A draw against us is about the best you could have hoped for given our recent record. A point against a top half team is a decent result. With all due respect, you are relegation candidates - any side who comes up from the First Division not as champions is, never mind a side which wasn't even strong enough to make the play off.
(Note - that last is not intended to go over old issues again; it's just a fact unfortunately).
I think gufct's spot on with his analysis, to be honest.
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 4:02 PM
Seriously, where did you pick that up?!
A draw against us is about the best you could have hoped for given our recent record. A point against a top half team is a decent result. With all due respect, you are relegation candidates - any side who comes up from the First Division not as champions is, never mind a side which wasn't even strong enough to make the play off.
(Note - that last is not intended to go over old issues again; it's just a fact unfortunately).
I think gufct's spot on with his analysis, to be honest.
the best we could have hoped for??..... what game we'r you watching??... we could have easily beat ye apart from ye'r ball of the line we created far the better chances..... we should have beat longford too and waterford last week we should have been 2 up after half time if moran could finish a 1-on-1
that would put us up there with ye
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 4:03 PM
Seriously, where did you pick that up?!
A draw against us is about the best you could have hoped for given our recent record. A point against a top half team is a decent result. With all due respect, you are relegation candidates - any side who comes up from the First Division not as champions is, never mind a side which wasn't even strong enough to make the play off.
(Note - that last is not intended to go over old issues again; it's just a fact unfortunately).
I think gufct's spot on with his analysis, to be honest[/B].
think i missed that cause all i saw was a personal swipe at me!:confused:
Gilberto anybody who posts their picture in their Profile and keeps having digs at people should expect people to know them ;)
pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 4:06 PM
I think gufct's spot on with his analysis, to be honest
think i missed that cause all i saw was a personal swipe at me!:confused:
Stu nobody is allowed point this out to Gilberto as he thinks we should be beating everyone because we have gone full time 4 monhs ago and Galway is a huge city. :)
Your text here.
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 4:12 PM
Gilberto anybody who posts their picture in their Profile and keeps having digs at people should expect people to know them ;)
im not having digs at anyone im just not gonna let you ''bully'' me anymore and listen to it quietly..... find anyone else ive had a dig at and come back and say that!!:rolleyes:
ya but stu your skipping my point and taking GUFCT's words as my own my point in this was why should we be happy with drawing with UCD at home??.... ye are more then beatable ill tell ya that and the only game we had no chance was sligo on the opening day!.
you mustnt have been following our reports of games all year(i know u were'nt sure why would you or anyone else from another club, but in relation to where we are in the table doesnt neccassarily tell our year so far)
pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 4:18 PM
ya but stu your skipping my point and taking GUFCT's words as my own my point in this was why should we be happy with drawing with UCD at home??
I just showed you the stats. In 39 games against Galway, Sligo, Longford, Bray and Waterford over the past 3½ years, we've lost six times. Those odds are simply stacked against a team like youz.
It's very easy to say you should be higher, but the table never lies in the end. You can go on about how many great chances you had (Matt Gregg made four superb saves by my count), but you couldn't score any of them We also had two possible goals ruled out, Conor Sammon had a one-on-one and we had a couple of dangerous 25-yard frees. We were also missing most of our midfield through injury, and the weather made a complete mockery of everything. So a draw was fair, you only get one point and the table is telling the truth, unfortunately.
That's why.
stu I wouldnt be so cocky but Gilberto is seriously contradicting himself here slamming me for my blind faith in Tony and the team and yet defending them against your assertions.
I still feel we will finish above you this season but as I said before i will be more than happy with 10th spot in our fist season back.
pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 4:23 PM
stu I wouldnt be so cocky
I'm not being cocky at all. Confident after the event maybe, but with due cause.
Anyways, how's things going on modifying your procedures for club officials on the guestlist. ;)
Edit - just read the rest of your post. How's about a little bet on where we finish? Tenner says we finish above you this season, and I can collect on the last day when we're in Galway? :) That's exactly the sort of underestimation I'm quite happy for you to believe in.
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 4:24 PM
I just showed you the stats. In 39 games against Galway, Sligo, Longford, Bray and Waterford over the past 3½ years, we've lost six times. Those odds are simply stacked against a team like youz.
It's very easy to say you should be higher, but the table never lies in the end. You can go on about how many great chances you had (Matt Gregg made four superb saves by my count), but you couldn't score any of them We also had two possible goals ruled out, Conor Sammon had a one-on-one and we had a couple of dangerous 25-yard frees. We were also missing most of our midfield through injury, and the weather made a complete mockery of everything. So a draw was fair, you only get one point and the table is telling the truth, unfortunately.
That's why.
over the last 3 and a half years we've been in the 1st division and not doing very well for one.... also because ye have/had a good record against likes of the other teams(u mentioned) doesnt mean that we should be happy with a draw at home against ye.....it doesnt make sense!
even to cut out the rest of the teams you said and just focus on the record between ye and us things are completly differant now then to what they were...... so next year even if we are top because ye have a good record against us we should still be happy with a draw??.... dont think so i think we should take it for what it is now and while im not saying it was an un-accecptable result i dont think its a result we should be happy with...if we are well then we dont belong in this division, we should go back part-time and take apart the new stand and pack it away!
pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 4:28 PM
over the last 3 and a half years we've been in the 1st division and not doing very well for one
That's why I included other teams in your current position, such as Bray, Waterford, etc.
Obviously if you go top, then the record doesn't hold because I noted it as our record against bottom half teams, which you currently are. If you go top, then you can be disappointed with a draw against us.
Please read my point in full before going off on tangents...
Patrick Dunne
22/05/2007, 4:29 PM
I'd modify the list all right ... down to zero.
I can't understand this "avoid paying into the ground at all costs" mentality
that officials at a lot of Irish clubs have.
I have always paid in at away matches. I could never comprehend this attitude. Why would you want to deliberately reduce the income of a fellow EL club ?
One or two EL clubs seem to have 10/20 people on their own "guest list" who show up at away grounds and throw a hissy fit if they don't get in for free.
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 4:31 PM
stu I wouldnt be so cocky but Gilberto is seriously contradicting himself here slamming me for my blind faith in Tony and the team and yet defending them against your assertions.
I still feel we will finish above you this season but as I said before i will be more than happy with 10th spot in our fist season back.
im not contradicting myself..... we are after all 2nd bottom and some of tonys decisions have been baffling to say the least..... you have stated you are happy with the season so far even though we are 2nd bottom and our goal per game ratio is just off a goal every 2 games now.
i am far from contrading myself in fact if you look closely you assumptions are equal to stu's... he is saying we should be happy with a draw at home against UCD and im saying we shouldnt you are also happy with our position which would put your views on par with his....
if tony had put more though into his signings before the season we would be doing better.... we virtually have no right-winger as he has been dropped, our 1st choice left back was also promptly dropped, we have a junior player up front who wont get a goal this year, we have conceded numerous soft goals mainly from set-pieces which is easily defendable with work in training!....
having said that we could have easily picked up more points... but we didnt due to these mistakes made by players and management
pineapple stu
22/05/2007, 4:31 PM
I can't understand this "avoid paying into the ground at all costs" mentality that officials at a lot of Irish clubs have.
You have a point alright, but if the club had a problem, they should have said so rather than lose his request. That's all.
The logic in Belfield anyways is that club officials work hard enough for the club outside of match days, so free entry to the match is a thank you for all their work.
For the record, there was no hissy fit in this instance (I know you weren't implying it). Yer man paid in, but it was just a bit unprofessional in the way it was handled is all.
Patrick Dunne
22/05/2007, 4:46 PM
We normally contact the away club early in the week in relation to passes, there
must have been a breakdown in communication somewhere.
GUFC used to let half of Galway in for free up to a few seasons ago, so "complimentaries" has always been my bugbear.
It must affect the likes of Kilkenny and Monaghan a lot more than the "big" clubs. Bad enough having 78 people at the game, but if only 53 of them pay in, then you are in real trouble !
Schumi
22/05/2007, 8:54 PM
It must affect the likes of Kilkenny and Monaghan a lot more than the "big" clubs. Bad enough having 78 people at the game, but if only 53 of them pay in, then you are in real trouble !If you can survive on 78 people, I'd say you could survive on 53 too as gate receipts obviously aren't a large part of your budget.
Student Mullet
22/05/2007, 9:28 PM
we dont belong in this division, we should go back part-time and take apart the new stand and pack it away!The new stand is quite nice but apart from that I agree.
gilberto_eire
22/05/2007, 9:45 PM
The new stand is quite nice but apart from that I agree.
leaving out a few words before that has completly changed the meaning of it:p
Conor H
22/05/2007, 10:58 PM
The new stand is quite nice but apart from that I agree.
Selective Qouting=Trolling.
Please go away.
Poor Student
22/05/2007, 11:15 PM
Selective Qouting=Trolling.
Please go away.
Uhm, it was a joke.
even though we are 2nd bottom
I Think were actually 3rd from the bottom which is the position that would guarentee us being in the premier next year and making Stu eat his words.
pineapple stu
23/05/2007, 12:31 PM
Eat my words? How?
If you finish third bottom, you're still relegation candidates over the course of the season. Don't see how that would affect my view of yez?
third from Bottom is safe and thats all that matters to me Stu. I actually think we will have pushed on at least 2 places higher than that by season end.
Now Stu you have had your fun away with the belfield Kop with ya.
pineapple stu
24/05/2007, 12:56 PM
I still don't see how that would make me eat my words though?
gilberto_eire
30/05/2007, 2:33 PM
i see your point and most others too... but bohs next week, ppl will be happy with a point too, derry,drogs etc..... 90% of the games involve teams (individually )you could be happy with a point with but even if you drew with every one of those teams you'd be struggling to survive we need to start gettings wins just like all the other teams are doing... as we've seen already even against the ''weaker teams'' we dont perform much better and draws and losses can be expected there too..
i think its time the lads started pulling the weight they've been clapd off all year even though it hasnt been anywhere near good enough(btw in case ye'r thinking i didnt boo the ref/players off, im just not opposed to it)
secondly schumi im sorry if i offend you but UCD are no big cats that we should be happy against drawing with..... they are punching well above there weight this year and i didnt think ye we'r much better then bray(i know conditions we'r bad in case you challenge that statement considering the weather)
I just showed you the stats. In 39 games against Galway, Sligo, Longford, Bray and Waterford over the past 3½ years, we've lost six times. Those odds are simply stacked against a team like youz.
It's very easy to say you should be higher, but the table never lies in the end. You can go on about how many great chances you had (Matt Gregg made four superb saves by my count), but you couldn't score any of them We also had two possible goals ruled out, Conor Sammon had a one-on-one and we had a couple of dangerous 25-yard frees. We were also missing most of our midfield through injury, and the weather made a complete mockery of everything. So a draw was fair, you only get one point and the table is telling the truth, unfortunately.
That's why.
just to go back to this since you went back and dug-up the dimitri thing last week..... i told ya ye were no better then bray...they beat ye last night and are only a point behind ye now with 2 games in hand!!:p
DmanDmythDledge
30/05/2007, 2:51 PM
just to go back to this since you went back and dug-up the dimitri thing last week..... i told ya ye were no better then bray...they beat ye last night and are only a point behind ye now with 2 games in hand!!:p
And going by are previous games before that we are much better than them.:rolleyes: Individual games count for nothing. The only way you can compare teams is by the final league table.
And at least judge us when we have our strongest team playing.
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