Derry v Cork on Monday evening

[Steve Bruce]

Why do we need a Derry-born keeper ? The team's packed full of Derry people at the moment, and they're not exactly exhibiting much pride in the cause....

I don't give a feck where a new keeper comes from, just so long as we get a decent one.

Coleraine Keeper Davy O'Hare is a very good keeper and is capable of keeping you in a game single handedly.

He might not be a long term solution, but he would certainly do for 2 seasons. I reckon you could get him for next to nothing from Coleraine, who are unlikely to turn down any sums of money as they are in dire straights financially.

[skitz3]

I wouldn't say that with certainly. A lot of people - myself included - would argue that the fact he could outspend any club in the league by a distance covered over the fact that he wasn't a great manager with Shels. His start with Derry seems to be bearing that theory out.

The crap himself and the players went through last year and they still managed to win the title,i don't think another manager in the league would have done that.

[pineapple stu]

Maybe, but then look at the previous year, for example, when Shels were down in mid-table for a large chunk of the season and only ended up third; with the squad they had, they should have been walking away with the title the past three years, but haven't.

I'd put Fenlon in the same category as Doolin to be honest; a manager who's doing well, but more because of the open chequebook in front of them rather than their own ability.

[pete]

I'd put Fenlon in the same category as Doolin to be honest; a manager who's doing well, but more because of the open chequebook in front of them rather than their own ability.

Both have had relatively open cheque books but Fenlon has largely delivered so i think unfair to lump together, I know Doolin won the Setanta Cup & at the risk of been accused of being bitter even Matthews won a few cups with Longford.

[hoopy]

Is no one going to give Cork a bit of credit for their performance? Once again Rico doesn't go against his principles, win or lose his team will always try to play football. Derry haven't got the players for the type of game Fenlon wants to play, which is the reason for their slump imop. I guess for Derry fans it's a case of which side of the fence you're on, the one where you want the days back of playing 'effective' football under Stephen Kenny and want Fenlon out, or are willing to give Nutsy time to get the players in he wants to see a more fluent style.

[pineapple stu]

Maybe pete, but Fenlon seemed to have a larger chequebook, and so did better with it (although Drogs are racking up Shels-style losses, so maybe not). But they do share the woeful eye for a signing it seems (Tidman, Hayes from reports here, Fitzpatrick, the numerous rubbish signings Doolin made for us, Alan Cawley at Shels and Pat Sullivan at Drogheda who were both subsequently hardly ever played, etc), and a tendency (from what little I've seen) to play excessively defensively - Fenlon seems to play the same 4-5-1 for Derry that he did for Shels in Europe which frustrated the hell out of many, while Doolin's formation usually involves putting ten men behind the ball and then hitting you very fast on the break. Neither manager ever really seems keen to let the team play to its potential.

So yes, Fenlon's won more, but I think in a broad sense, they're very similar managers.

[dcfcsteve]

or are willing to give Nutsy time to get the players in he wants to see a more fluent style.

He made a dog's arse of signing new players before the season started - completely failing to solve the critical lack of a first team keeper, most importantly - so how much time are we expected to give him...? :confused:

[elliott06]

Steve it appears to me that you have too much to say for yourself here.

Without bringing people into it, deery was supposed to be on the sub bench last night and i assume young mc glynn also however they were sent home for confrontation...that dosent mean they have to go home, they can watch the game still. He isnt injured. That is also reliable information from a member of the board for Derry City. Now lets leave it at that.

Also to be fair hoopy even though Cork played some decent stuff last night they wernt all that much to get excited about. They got three goals as a direct result of 3 errors from the city gk and derrys own degrading performace made cork seem so much superior. Its not a case of how good cork was but how terrible derry were. But im gonna give credit to some players who played well like farren; despite his frustration he ran himself into the ground and has been so far this season and eddie mc callion was playing with a positive attitude.

[ccfcgirl]

The game last night produced some good goals especially Behans which was a cracker..5 goals in any match makes good tv viewing .I think Derry City are unsettled at the moment and I think Cork City played them at a good time ,I reckon in time Derry will start putting a good run together(hopfully around the time there in Champians league)...Im delighted with last nights result,I think Darragh Ryan is slotting into Danny Murphys position brilliantly good signing by Rico..

[Dr.Nightdub]

First half hour or so was good viewing OK, while it was still evenly balanced, but Derry started to disintegrate once McCourt went off and they'd no plan B except to lump it long - no creativity in the middle and while Farren ran himself ragged, he was always chasing lost causes.

Second half was muck, Cork basically just had to see out the game and pick off a couple of handy additions to the goal difference. Behan's finish was good though.

[lofty9]

Why do we need a Derry-born keeper ? The team's packed full of Derry people at the moment, and they're not exactly exhibiting much pride in the cause....

I don't give a feck where a new keeper comes from, just so long as we get a decent one.

We've had difficulty getting a keeper. Obviously if we have two quality keepers from Derry playing elsewhere they will be easier to bring to the Brandywell. If McCourt wasn't a Derryman he wouldn't be playing for us.That's where I was coming from.

You really are a pedantic so and so;)

[Soko]

In all fairness the first goal may have looked bad but it took a dreadful hop off a bad pitch. Terrible for the second goal and bad for the thrid

[dcfcsteve]

We've had difficulty getting a keeper. Obviously if we have two quality keepers from Derry playing elsewhere they will be easier to bring to the Brandywell. If McCourt wasn't a Derryman he wouldn't be playing for us.That's where I was coming from.

You really are a pedantic so and so;)

I don't agree Lofty. Just cuz you're form Derry doesn;'t necessarily make it more likely that you'd be happy moving to the club.

I reckon we'd have more chance getting a keeper elsewhere in Ireland to come to Derry than getting a Derry man settled in English football to turn his back on all of that to join us.

Don't underestimate how difficult it would probably be to pluck young players out of English football early in their careers to come and play for us.

That Coleraine keepeer sounds like he'd be worth a look at though !

[lofty9]

We were looking at O Hare before Forde returned. We'll just have to wait until July for some hope!

[razor]

Is no one going to give Cork a bit of credit for their performance? :D :D , take a look at where you are, the Eircom League forum of foot.ie.
These things just don't happen here.:p

[Cymro]

On the subject of Gerard Doherty, while I'm sure he'd do a good job for Derry I have it on good accord that he's leaving to join Cardiff in the summer.

[pineapple stu]

In all fairness the first goal may have looked bad but it took a dreadful hop off a bad pitch
Maybe, although they pointed out on Setanta that he fairly wussed out of the follow up challenge.

[lofty9]

On the subject of Gerard Doherty, while I'm sure he'd do a good job for Derry I have it on good accord that he's leaving to join Cardiff in the summer.

Gerry told me about this story that appeared in the Welsh press this week. He reckons its hot air and said if Alexander doesn't sign a new contract at Cardiff, Jones will go out and get an experienced keeper. He also said if there is contact with Cardiff he is not going to go there and be third choice keeper. He is also aware of the situation back home and the prospect of CL football.;)

[Soper]

Good on him. Dave Jones isn't any good at picking teams.

[Risteard]

For what its worth, 1 of the top 5 eL keepers sits on Citys bench.
We're very lucky to have kept onto him and will be in safe hands when Devine leaves.
McNulty should start against Dungannon actually if not Rovers. I think Mick hurt his arm in the Brandywell.

[Cymro]

Gerry told me about this story that appeared in the Welsh press this week. He reckons its hot air and said if Alexander doesn't sign a new contract at Cardiff, Jones will go out and get an experienced keeper. He also said if there is contact with Cardiff he is not going to go there and be third choice keeper. He is also aware of the situation back home and the prospect of CL football.;)

If it's Champions' League football he wants he might as well just stay at TNS. He's pretty much guaranteed Champions League football every year there as they are by far the best side in the League of Wales.

I'd like to see us go in for him to be honest, good keeper, have watched him a few times, most recently against Newport on TV when he had a solid albeit not too busy evening. He seems capable of match-winning saves.

Although we've got Gueret and Oakes they're getting on a bit and Gueret has not been at his best at times this year.
He played especially well against Liverpool a couple years back when TNS played them, so we know he can do it against quality opposition. Would be happy to see him at the Liberty Stadium as another Welsh Premier lad Owain Tudur Jones has done really well for us since joining from Bangor City.

[wiseman]

The crap himself and the players went through last year and they still managed to win the title,i don't think another manager in the league would have done that.

The players won that title themselves for themselves because of the way the club treated them and because they knew it would be easier to move on as champions. All they needed was a manager who would back them on and off the field. Stan could have done that job :) :D :)