What was the story with flags on saturday

[NY Hoop]

NYH, cant let you away with this.

I am not defending anyone putting english clubs on a tricolour. My position is quite clear. Read a previous post of mine on this thread:

I find an Irish flag with the name of any British or non-Irish club team plastered on it equally offensive whether it is Chelsea, Rangers, Celtic or Man.Utd. or anyone else and would argue that none of them have any place at an Ireland game. What has allegiance for any British club got to do with supporting Ireland?

But you are avoiding the questions you have been asked several times but declined to answer?
- Is it only the names of English clubs on tricolours you are opposed to?
- Are you opposed to the name of any non-Irish club on a tricolour?
- Are the names of clubs that have obviously Irish links acceptable on a tricolour?

Sh*t or get off the pot!


My pot is always full!! I'm not declining to answer any questions:

-Yes. Because it is ridiculous and hypocritical. People who have english clubs on a tricolour then cheer on anyone who is playing england.

-No. Although I cant imagine Schalke 04 or such like on a tricolour.

-Yes. You are alluding to celtic here. It is verifiable that celtic have Irish links and there are hundreds of tricolours at CP on matchday. I am not a celtic fan btw.

Although I do get your point re any british club on a tricolour.

KOH

[Superhoops]

My pot is always full!! I'm not declining to answer any questions:

-Yes. Because it is ridiculous and hypocritical. People who have english clubs on a tricolour then cheer on anyone who is playing england.

-No. Although I cant imagine Schalke 04 or such like on a tricolour.

-Yes. You are alluding to celtic here. It is verifiable that celtic have Irish links and there are hundreds of tricolours at CP on matchday. I am not a celtic fan btw.

Although I do get your point re any british club on a tricolour.

KOH
Thanks for that NYH. I don't think our views are that far apart except for this 'Irish links' thing. I was not only alluding to Celtic although they are by far the biggest of this group. Cliftonville, Hibernians, Notre Dame? and Boston Celtics? all who have made appearances at Ireland games come into the same category.

Your point about supporting english clubs and cheering anyone playing england is well made, although I remember in Lansdowne in May 2000 and in Hampden in March 2003 seeing the owners of tricolours daubbed with Celtic and lads wearing Celtic jerseys cheering Ireland against Scotland. Bizarre!!

[NY Hoop]

Thanks for that NYH. I don't think our views are that far apart except for this 'Irish links' thing. I was not only alluding to Celtic although they are by far the biggest of this group. Cliftonville, Hibernians, Notre Dame? and Boston Celtics? all who have made appearances at Ireland games come into the same category.

Your point about supporting english clubs and cheering anyone playing england is well made, although I remember in Lansdowne in May 2000 and in Hampden in March 2003 seeing the owners of tricolours daubbed with Celtic and lads wearing Celtic jerseys cheering Ireland against Scotland. Bizarre!!

In fairness I wouldnt put Cliftonville in all this.

On your last point I presume you saw the rocket scientist wearing a celtic jersey protesting outside Croker in february:D

KOH

[reder]

Guys, I think you need to take a chill pill on this one. I personally would far prefer to get rid of all the idiots who chant republican slogans at Ireland games before worrying about this sort of thing. This uber-fan mentality in ridiculous.

I have I question though. Why is not ok for me to hang my liverpool banner (a club that has umpteen irish fans and umpteen fans in the uk with irish roots) and yet week in week out we have to accept irish fans wearing GAA jerseys, wrapped in tri-colours, abusing our english players week-in-week out.
If u look at the man u and roma crowd trouble you can see irish flags in the man u section.

Also at georgia away in March 2003 there was a massive george's cross in our section. No one made an issue of that.

[SuperDub]

The Chelsea flag that people are complaining about did'nt just appear in croker. I saw it in Japan i think it was Ibaraki. I did'nt hear or see anyone complain about it then. Why has it taken 5 years. Life is too short to be getting worried about stuff like that.

[Soper]

Irish fans that wear GAA jerseys and wrapped in tricolours are probably likely to bring flags with foreign teams names on too.

[NY Hoop]

Couldnt care less how long it has benn hung. For the umpteenth time putting an english club on a tricolour is wrong plain and simple.

Why would you hang a liverpool banner at an Ireland game? Hang it at an england game surely?

KOH

[Lionel Ritchie]

Couldnt care less how long it has benn hung. For the umpteenth time putting an english club on a tricolour is wrong plain and simple.
...in your humble opinion ...to which you are humbly entitled. :cool:




Why would you hang a liverpool banner at an Ireland game? Hang it at an england game surely?
...because you're scouse-Irish, follow Liverpool and Ireland, don't follow England or have any particular allegiance or preference for a LOI club. :)

Seems straight-forward enough to me.

[reder]

Couldnt care less how long it has benn hung. For the umpteenth time putting an english club on a tricolour is wrong plain and simple.

Why would you hang a liverpool banner at an Ireland game? Hang it at an england game surely?

KOH

Very few Liverpudlians support England, its just not the done thing, even those born and bred in england. How many st. georges crosses do you see at liverpool of everton away games?

Also since when is Chelsea specifically anti-irish? ** Now all you anti-PL/SPL flag ppl be VERY careful how you answer this. Hint : Im setting you up for a fall.**

[Sumac]

Reder
Liverpool are an English club - Why would you hang their flag at an Irish Game:confused: ? It doesn't make any difference whether Irish players play at that club or not. You don't see St. George's cross at Liverpool games because they wave Liverpool flags. You see St. Georges flag at English games because England are playing.
If Ireland are playing, you could try bringing an Irish Flag

[KoemansCC]

If Ireland are playing, you could try bringing an Irish Flag

...and if someone feels the need to put a club on their flag, their are one or two Irish ones out there I think...

[RogerMilla]

no sorry lads i'm not convinced, i saw that chelsea fella at croker with a kid who was decked out in irish kit , he obviously has allegience to ireland and chelsea , he is obviously london-irish , why not proclaim what he is at Ireland games and at Chelsea games. its no more ridiculous than putting the name of a boozer on the flag which has become a tradition now and i think these banners look great and add to the atmosphere. no problem with the galway utd or rovers or shels lads putting their name on the flags but why adopt this more irish than thou attitude? give me our individualism and our different cultures every day than 80,000 germans with the same flag.

[NY Hoop]

no sorry lads i'm not convinced, i saw that chelsea fella at croker with a kid who was decked out in irish kit , he obviously has allegience to ireland and chelsea , he is obviously london-irish , why not proclaim what he is at Ireland games and at Chelsea games. its no more ridiculous than putting the name of a boozer on the flag which has become a tradition now and i think these banners look great and add to the atmosphere. no problem with the galway utd or rovers or shels lads putting their name on the flags but why adopt this more irish than thou attitude? give me our individualism and our different cultures every day than 80,000 germans with the same flag.

Oh dear:rolleyes: Are you for real?

KOH

[Conor H]

no sorry lads i'm not convinced, i saw that chelsea fella at croker with a kid who was decked out in irish kit , he obviously has allegience to ireland and chelsea , he is obviously london-irish , why not proclaim what he is at Ireland games and at Chelsea games. its no more ridiculous than putting the name of a boozer on the flag which has become a tradition now and i think these banners look great and add to the atmosphere. no problem with the galway utd or rovers or shels lads putting their name on the flags but why adopt this more irish than thou attitude? give me our individualism and our different cultures every day than 80,000 germans with the same flag.

Firstly.....:rolleyes:



Secondly........Unbelieveable post.You can't see any reason why an anti Irish Club like Chelsea should be on a Tricolour no?Look on youtube and you'll see various clips of the Chelsea scum singing "No Surrender!" etc etc.
Then you,ridiculuosly,compare it to Irish Clubs been on the Triclour.
Your last statement is nonsensical.

[RogerMilla]

who says chelsea are anti-irish ? just because some of their fans are ?
anyway i am not on here to defend chelsea , just saying that people are going overboard telling this london irish fella what he can or cannot put on his flag , fact is you have no right to do that , NYhoop can preach all he wants , his views are well known , cant say i would ever in my life subscribe to them though.

[Conor H]

who says chelsea are anti-irish ? just because some of their fans are ?
anyway i am not on here to defend chelsea , just saying that people are going overboard telling this london irish fella what he can or cannot put on his flag , fact is you have no right to do that , NYhoop can preach all he wants , his views are well known , cant say i would ever in my life subscribe to them though.

Actually if your going to be factual it is against the law to desocrate the flag under the 1937 Constitution.

But it's commonly accepted when Irish Clubs etc are put on it.However putting an English Club on an Irish flag isboth farcical and disgraceful.

[RogerMilla]

i see your point conor and that you are annoyed by this. I , on the other hand , am not annoyed. i see it as the fellas way of showing where he's from. My son ( if i ever have one) will most likely not be born in ireland, surely if i can convince him to support Ireland above the land of his birth then a flag with his home town or club on it wouldn't do much harm ? or attract the vitriol that this fella with the chelsea flag seems to have attracted?

[NY Hoop]

i see your point conor and that you are annoyed by this. I , on the other hand , am not annoyed. i see it as the fellas way of showing where he's from. My son ( if i ever have one) will most likely not be born in ireland, surely if i can convince him to support Ireland above the land of his birth then a flag with his home town or club on it wouldn't do much harm ? or attract the vitriol that this fella with the chelsea flag seems to have attracted?

But you're missing the point. To put an english club, especially an anti Irish one, on a tricolour is not only plain stupid it is looking for trouble.

You're in continental europe? No problem with putting Brussels for example on a tricolour.

Similarly London on a tricolour is acceptable.

KOH

[RogerMilla]

alright , i see what you're saying.

Place names good , club names bad.

Thing is i still dont see the point in giving this fella stick , lets face it if chelski is as anti irish as all that he must take some grief there too?

[soccerc]

Actually if your going to be factual it is against the law to desocrate the flag under the 1937 Constitution.

But it's commonly accepted when Irish Clubs etc are put on it.However putting an English Club on an Irish flag isboth farcical and disgraceful.


It is not against the law FACT - (sounding like a margarine kid here!)

The only reference to the flag is article 7 which states "The national flag is the tricolour of green, white and orange


However there is a protocol available here (http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.asp?locID=194&docID=242)in relation to the tricolour and it's use.

[Jerry The Saint]

It is not against the law FACT - (sounding like a margarine kid here!)

The only reference to the flag is article 7 which states "The national flag is the tricolour of green, white and orange


However there is a protocol available here (http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.asp?locID=194&docID=242)in relation to the tricolour and it's use.


Observance of the guidelines contained in this booklet is a matter for each individual because there are no statutory requirements. It is expected, however, that the National Flag will be treated at all times with appropriate respect by those who use it.
...
17 The National Flag should never be defaced by placing slogans, logos, lettering or pictures of any kind on it, for example at sporting events.

18 The National Flag should not be draped on cars, trains, boats or other modes of transport; it should not be carried flat, but should always be carried aloft and free, except when used to drape a coffin; on such an occasion, the green should be at the head of the coffin (Figure H).


19 Care should be taken at all times to ensure that the National Flag does not touch the ground, trail in water or become entangled in trees or other obstacles.




As well as this, I believe the tricolour flags you can buy in Carroll's etc. are merely representations of the National Flag and as such it's OK to write stuff on it, hang it in a stadium or tie it around you like a cape. :)



1 The National Flag is rectangular in shape, the width being twice its depth. The three colours – green, white and orange – are of equal size, and vertically disposed. Often different shades of yellow, instead of orange, are seen at civilian functions. This misrepresentation of the National Flag should be actively discouraged.

Now this is something that annoys me. Notice that the GAA International Rules team wear green, white and yellow and even have a representation of a green, white and yellow flag on the jersey - some ammunition for SRFC to use against TD perhaps? ;)

[Schumi]

Notice that the GAA International Rules team wear green, white and yellow and even have a representation of a green, white and yellow flag on the jerseyProbably because they hate Protestants.

[soccerc]

Observance of the guidelines contained in this booklet is a matter for each individual because there are no statutory requirements.



It is expected, however, that the National Flag will be treated at all times with appropriate respect by those who use it.

Don't like anything on our flag but if someone wishes to put Chelsea, St Pat's or Linfield on it, that is their choice.

[RogerMilla]

Probably because they hate Protestants.

like peter withnal ? or jack boothman ?

[Torn-Ado]

Probably because they hate Protestants.

What an completely ridiculous statement.

[gspain]

like peter withnal ? or jack boothman ?

Peter Whitnell is actually RC. His father is protestant. He did get a lot of sectarian abuse from opposing fans all right and gave up GAA for a while over it when his mother got abused at a game.

Sam Maguire and Jack Boothamn are normally the 2 used to prove that the GAA are non sectarian. Or you could just ask the tooth fairy if you believe that.

[Ordinary Fan]

What is the obsession with writing anything on our flag?

[OwlsFan]

http://www.thepeoplesflag.com/web/pics.asp?action=showpic&super_group_id=40&image_id=1303

[MariborKev]

Thing is i still dont see the point in giving this fella stick , lets face it if chelski is as anti irish as all that he must take some grief there too?

I have no respect for him as he is an absolute tool.

His attempt to provoke a fight with the Dutch fans during and after the win in the Arena in 2004 and his subsequent reaction when a few of us told him to pull his head in was all the evidence I needed.

[NY Hoop]

What a clown and as for the flag :rolleyes:

KOH