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OneRedArmy
19/03/2007, 8:25 PM
So the rugby season is finished (as I am viewing the mini-tour to Argentina as the start of next season) and its time to take stock of our performances in the Autumn and Six Nations.

In my view, we followed up our best ever results in the Autumn with an inconsistent Six Nations, with the highs of England and Rome set against poor performances against Wales, Scotland and particularly France.

Whilst it could be argued that we were only 2 mins away from a Grand Slam (indeed one re-start catch), its hard to argue that we didn't get what we deserved out of that game as the French played better rugby and could have been out of sight by half time.

There's no doubt this Ireland team has the ability, but it now needs to display the consistency of a world class performance in every match if we are to get to the World Cup semi/final, which is the least this talented team should be aiming at.

I believe Eddie O'Sullivan has missed more opportunities to blood new players in key positions, so the Argentina games should be used as a development tour, playing squad players and also not showing our hand against the Pumas before the World Cup. Its also clear that we need to start saying prayers for O'Driscoll, O'Connell and Hayes, as losing one of them at any stage in the World Cup would appear to guarantee an early exit.

In terms of players performance:
Full Back: The Girvanator :D continued his resurgance as an attacking full-back par excellence and the jersey his undoubtedly his, barring injury, for the World Cup. Murphy was limited to a few cameos and with the WC coming too soon for Rob Kearney and Luke Fitzgerald, expect Murphy and Paddy Wallace to be cover for Girv.

Wing: Like Dempsey, Denis Hickie started the season under real pressure from Andrew Trimble, but finished it as the winger of the Championship, scoring, tackling and providing a useful left boot when required. Horgan showed he is still a devastating finisher on the right wing, with his high catch against England demonstrating his skills. Elsewhere, Trimble showed a few good touches and a quick turn of pace, but he still looks like a converted centre playing on the wing. Look for the one of the above mentioned Kearney, Fitzgerald, Tommy Bowe or dark horse Brian Carney to make the WC squad.

Centres: The best centres in the world unquestionably. They defend like two auxilliary opensides and can unlock defences at will going forward. Thats the good bit. Unfortunately the team is hugely dependent on both of these individuals and in the attritional confines of a World Cup, losing one of both could prove terminal for Ireland. The France game showed that Horgan doesn't have the pass or game reading ability to be a World Class centre, and Andrew Trimble has little experience in the position. Trimble and Barry Murphy need to play in Argentina. And not 5 minutes at the end of the game.

Fly Half: Jekyll and Hyde from O'Gara. His ground game has been fantastic, more line breaks, joint top try scorer in the tournament and a marked improvement in his tackling. However, his tactical and goal kicking has not been to the required standard, which is puzzling as he excelled at both these crucial skills before the 6 nations. In a tight game against a world class side, missing touch or an easy penalty will be the difference. Wallace needs serious game time in Argentina.

Scrum Half: Peter Stringer came into the 6 nations neck and neck with Isaac Boss for the no9 jersey after the latter's strong autumn. The competition obviously had a positive impact on Stringer as he had an excellent tournament, adding a bit more intelligence and break ability to his always quick passing. Boss remains an able deputy with Eoin Redden also likely to travel to the WC.

Props: As ever, we view a good result in the scrums as holding our own and this year was no different. Probably the prime area of weakness and worryingly, there isn't a long line of players waiting to take Horan and Hayes place. We've seen enough of Simon Best to see that he isn't the answer. Serious game time required for Bryan Young/Ronnie McCormack in Argentina. Which really will be drop in at the deep end stuff.... If you can scrummage there, you can scrummage anywhere.

Hooker: Major surprise that Rory Best held off Jerry Flannery, but he improved as the tournament went on, getting more and more involved in the loose. Flannery is still a more dynamic player and he needs to come off the bench earlier if he is to be 2nd choice in France.

Lock: O'Connell followed a poor (by his own ridiculously high standards) Autumn with a great 6 Nations and O'Callaghan did the opposite. We need both healthy and both firing on all cylinders come September. Outside the two starters, there is an opportunity for someone to break through and take a place in the squad. Mick O'Driscoll is only there as he can cover lock and blindside, he isn't really good enough in either. I fancy Trevor Hogan, Leo Cullen or Matt McCullough to make the squad and start, should either of the starters get injured.

Back Row: Great performances from all 3, with Leamy and Wallace vying for player of the tournament with Hickie. Easterby, who many thought was fortunate to start ahead of Neil Best, repaid Eddie O'Sullivan's faith by adding more dynamism and ball carrying to his already excellent defensive and out of touch ability. As for Flannery, Neil Best is a born impact player and should be introduced from the bench earlier. Look for Jamie Heaslip, Shane Jenning, Alan Quinlan and Keith Gleeson to push for the remaining WC suqad places. A real embarrassment of riches.

DmanDmythDledge
19/03/2007, 8:40 PM
Hard to argue with any of that really. We have the players to make the final of the WC but injuries in key positions would severlely weaken us, as was evident against France.

Cymro
20/03/2007, 4:24 PM
Ireland were extroadinarily unlucky, but credit to France. I think over the course of the tournament they deserved it.

I think the tournament on the whole was very poor. No disrespect but the fact that Italy won two games says a lot. Scotland were poor, we were poor and England were poor. Northern hemisphere rugby is going through some shít at the moment.

pete
20/03/2007, 5:10 PM
Ireland were extraordinarily unlucky, but credit to France. I think over the course of the tournament they deserved it.


France were the best team but clearly Ireland very unlucky.

Injuries forced EOS into making changes so he learnt something new for a change.
- Best lads in the front row can do a job as reserves.
- Boss capable reserve and/or competition for Stringer
- No backup for centre as Horgan cannot play there.
- No proven backup for 2nd row as O'Driscoll past his best.

No use making wholesale changes for Argentina tour but needs to give serious game time to a an outside centre, 2nd row forward, Boss, Wallace (needs 1 full test game) Best lads...

inexile
21/03/2007, 2:45 PM
in relation to the inconsistency, it wasnt just ireland who were inconsistant, every team was and i think its all due to the condensed nature of the tournament, obviously schedules dictate this must be so but i would be confident if it was a more spaced out tournament ireland would be more consistant as the attritional nature of the games nowaday make recovery an awful lot harder and training more fractured i would imagine. i think this upcoming world cup could be very interesting as perhaps excluding the all blacks all of the top 10 teams can beat each other on the day.

Superhoops
21/03/2007, 11:42 PM
Ireland were extroadinarily unlucky.......
Depends how you measure 'luck'.

If by unlucky you are referring to the France game, that was not bad luck, it was poor concentration and application of one of the basics of the game, securing the ball from the kick-off. Neither was there any bad luck about us playing the three advatange situations we had in the second half, it was poor choices of options. In any of the three situations we could have killed the ball and taken shot(s) at goal.

If by unlucky you are referring to the Italy game, the last minute Italy try was not bad luck, it was poor choice of option. After the previous phases of attempting to run the ball almost the whole length of the field had failed and we were pushed back almost to our own five metre line, the ball should have been kicked dead as the eighty minutes were up.

On the other hand you could argue we were lucky to beat both Wales and Scotland.

Rather than being classed as unlucky, a more accurrate assessment would be we were inconsistent, something we cannot afford when it comes to WC.

osarusan
22/03/2007, 12:03 AM
Here is what I posted on the Ireland v Italy thread.

"To be honest, I think we didnt deserve to be 6N winners.

It came down to 3 periods of play, each about 2 minutes long - Ireland v. France, Ireland v. italy, France v. Scotland. In each case, we were unable to get what we needed, and the French were.

Agree that all the games should have been on at the same time, ridiculous that the French were able to know exactly what they needed before the game started.

Finally, we were lucky to get a couple of tries that we did against the Italians, so we shouldnt harp on too much about the late tries that cost us.

Having said all that, the gap between us and the French is negligable, if there is one at all, and we have no reason to fear them at the World Cup."


We were good at times, but overall inconsistent. Our inconsistency wa at a higher level than England's, but still too costly.

On the other hand, the English, in their only good game of the tournament, showed not only that france are beatable, but showed how to beat them. I know that in O'Gara we have one of the best flyhalves in the world in terms of positional kicking, but England kept the ball in hand much more, never gave France any platforms from which to attack at speed, and won relatively easily.

We are more than capable of doing the same in the World Cup. We may even finish runner-up to an All Black team which will destroy everybody.

Schumi
22/03/2007, 11:08 AM
Depends how you measure 'luck'.

If by unlucky you are referring to the France game, that was not bad luck, it was poor concentration and application of one of the basics of the game, securing the ball from the kick-off. Neither was there any bad luck about us playing the three advatange situations we had in the second half, it was poor choices of options. In any of the three situations we could have killed the ball and taken shot(s) at goal.

If by unlucky you are referring to the Italy game, the last minute Italy try was not bad luck, it was poor choice of option. After the previous phases of attempting to run the ball almost the whole length of the field had failed and we were pushed back almost to our own five metre line, the ball should have been kicked dead as the eighty minutes were up. Agreed but the try decision at the end of the France v Scotland match was unlucky.

Real ale Madrid
22/03/2007, 11:16 AM
If we can stick 2 great performances together in September against France and 9 days later against Argentina we will have a quarter final against Scotland/Italy - if we can win that then we will be in the last 4 - surely the six nations proves that is well within our capability - you can harp on about good and bad luck all day long - our world cup fate is in our own hands and its up to Eddie and his team to step up now when it will really matter and get the job done.