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Trainee
14/03/2007, 7:07 PM
All the players baned by the 3 club Fifa rule will be out this weekend again
The FAI will not be meeting ufea till 21 march and a decision may not happen till some time after this meeting
so these players may not be able to play for some weeks yet
feo123
14/03/2007, 7:16 PM
why cant they just go and meet them this week! whats the problem! muppets!
OneRedArmy
14/03/2007, 8:42 PM
All the players baned by the 3 club Fifa rule will be out this weekend again
The FAI will not be meeting ufea till 21 march and a decision may not happen till some time after this meeting
so these players may not be able to play for some weeks yetSo was it a sightseeing trip to Switzerland then for the FAI?
Bald Student
14/03/2007, 10:39 PM
So was it a sightseeing trip to Switzerland then for the FAI?I was thinking that myself. Also, can this type of work not be done over the phone?
harpskid
15/03/2007, 9:45 AM
So was it a sightseeing trip to Switzerland then for the FAI?
From what i hear the FAI didn't go out this week - they're meeting next wednesday as it is the earliest that FIFA could meet
Magicme
15/03/2007, 10:14 AM
How can you call anyone a muppet if their schedule for running football in the world is full. You try getting a meeting with any business & you often have to wait. This is a quick time span in reality. Jeeze have to wait almost 3 weeks to get my sons eyes tested in a town where there are 3 optictians!
Dodge
15/03/2007, 10:20 AM
Spot on magicme
razor
15/03/2007, 10:22 AM
I vote we send Maxi instead of the FAI, could be more effective.
Sonic
15/03/2007, 10:25 AM
From what i hear the FAI didn't go out this week - they're meeting next wednesday as it is the earliest that FIFA could meet
wat the feck else do FIFA do in fairness. Meeting a fellow organisation to sort out an issue as important as this should be top of their agenda.:confused:
Ebmania
15/03/2007, 10:33 AM
Am i the only one who thinks that this rule should actually be enforced. Mascareno case has turned the rule into a joke. If they dont want to enforce it then do away with it, otherwise make the players wait.
gufct
15/03/2007, 10:38 AM
The Finnish league have ignored it but no were like Fianna Fail we want a "World Class Best Practise League" what a joke.
monutdfc
15/03/2007, 10:46 AM
Am i the only one who thinks that this rule should actually be enforced. Mascareno case has turned the rule into a joke. If they dont want to enforce it then do away with it, otherwise make the players wait.
The rule cannot be enforced on EU citizens in the EU as it contravenes Restraint of Trade employment regulations. A footballer should not be denied the right to earn a living from his chosen profession.
Sheridan
15/03/2007, 10:58 AM
I don't see why it's any different from the venerable and unchallenged practise of cup-tying players who've represented another club in the previous round of a competition. The rule affects a player's eligibility, not his employability.
BohsPartisan
15/03/2007, 11:00 AM
I don't see why it's any different from the venerable and unchallenged practise of cup-tying players who've represented another club in the previous round of a competition. The rule affects a player's eligibility, not his employability.
Thats nonsense. Being cup tied prevents a player from playing in cup games which are few and far between. This rule prevents him from being employed as no club will sign a player who can't play while they are paying his wages for six months.
Lim till i die
15/03/2007, 11:03 AM
How can you call anyone a muppet if their schedule for running football in the world is full.
Think he was calling the FAI muppets ;)
In which case he's 150% spot on
If your reading this Delaney be sure and send the fine to Limerick F.C. you ******* ******** ***** **** you :mad:
Ebmania
15/03/2007, 11:04 AM
Ok a player with no club and no income of course has a case but when like (Mark Leech he has a club and income) why should he let away. Also termination of a players contract means they will be payed out the rest of money owed or done something to break it.
Not getting a game is part of football and just becase mascareno doesnt he should have to honour the agreement made. Take the good with the bad in deals.
Sheridan
15/03/2007, 11:10 AM
Thats nonsense. Being cup tied prevents a player from playing in cup games which are few and far between. This rule prevents him from being employed as no club will sign a player who can't play while they are paying his wages for six months.
I'm not saying the rule isn't nonsense (although there are arguments to be made in favour of it), but I really don't perceive a major conceptual difference between it and the cup-tying regulations. How can you argue that a rule which prevents a player from earning a move to a Champions League participant in mid-season (a move which would otherwise have gone ahead, all things being equal) doesn't represent a restraint of trade and a major restriction of earnings?
gufct
15/03/2007, 11:11 AM
Ok a player with no club and no income of course has a case but when like (Mark Leech he has a club and income) why should he let away. Also termination of a players contract means they will be payed out the rest of money owed or done something to break it.
Not getting a game is part of football and just becase mascareno doesnt he should have to honour the agreement made. Take the good with the bad in deals.
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Magicme
15/03/2007, 11:20 AM
The likes of Willie Doyle for Mons for example, he left Kilkenny at the end of last season as am sure his contract was up (its rare for 1st division teams to offer more than a one year contract) so he in good faith signed to play for us and because he had been let go by another club prior to Kilkenny taking him on, he should have to sit out and not get paid?
Ridiculous.
GuisaSaigon
15/03/2007, 12:37 PM
why cant they just go and meet them this week! whats the problem! muppets!
The UEFA guy who deals with this kind of thing is apparently " on holiday"
harpskid
21/03/2007, 10:41 AM
Any word on these cases?
Philly
21/03/2007, 11:08 AM
We really should just ignore the rule like the Finnish league did. They didn't get an hassle over it from FIFA from what I heard.
I would actually encourage this rule to be enforced. But the months involved should be switched for summer soccer.
It could help stop the journeyman footballing culture of the eircom League.
How can you call anyone a muppet if their schedule for running football in the world is full. You try getting a meeting with any business & you often have to wait. This is a quick time span in reality. Jeeze have to wait almost 3 weeks to get my sons eyes tested in a town where there are 3 optictians!
The FAI should have sought this meeting 5 weeks ago when the recieved the registration forms for the players in question. Clubs registered players in good faith, its up to the governing body to advise them prompty if theres a problem with any of the registrations, not tell them 2 days before the first game, and only then start the process with FIFA to sort it out.
Am i the only one who thinks that this rule should actually be enforced. Mascareno case has turned the rule into a joke. If they dont want to enforce it then do away with it, otherwise make the players wait.
Agree 100% Philly. The rule should be enforced, but our season being out of time with the majority of the footballing world means we should have a rule appropriate to our season calendar. The rule is valid and its there to prevent players for playing for 3 clubs in the same season, but is worded to preclude players from having 3 clubs in the period 1 July to 30 June. Some of the players involved here had 2 Irish clubs last season, i.e. made one move during last season (including possibly a loan), and for that reason are preluded from signing for a new club this year because its within the July-June period. If that player was out of contract at the end of 2006 season having played for 2 clubs last year he is now efectively precluded from earning a living till July.
passerrby
21/03/2007, 12:45 PM
The FAI should have sought this meeting 5 weeks ago when the recieved the registration forms for the players in question. Clubs registered players in good faith, its up to the governing body to advise them prompty if theres a problem with any of the registrations, not tell them 2 days before the first game, and only then start the process with FIFA to sort it out.
The league only realised this problem just before the start due to the fact that clubs only registered there players at the final days before the start of the league to be fair to fran gavin and co they acted as soon as permission was granted by council to act was given and also requesting a meeting and getting a meeting are two different things.
neville neville
21/03/2007, 12:52 PM
anybody any idea on when it will be sorted out?
The league only realised this problem just before the start due to the fact that clubs only registered there players at the final days before the start of the league to be fair to fran gavin and co they acted as soon as permission was granted by council to act was given and also requesting a meeting and getting a meeting are two different things.
Not true. I know one of those player for certain had his registration form sent in 4 weeks before season started.
In any case, the transfer deadline, the deadline for all registration forms to be with the League was about 2 weeks before the season started, yet clubs were only told 2 days before kick off that there was a problem. The FAI have done an admirable job in trying to progress this since then, but definately cocked up in not recognising the problem sooner.
BTW, are you Fran Gavin? :o
We were told on the wednesday before the sligo game that Gary Rogers was ok to play and then subsequently got a phonecall on the the Thurday to say he couldnt. The situation is a farce the football league in England totally disregards this rule but our best in practice world class league do nothing about it.
I cant see this being sorted this week lads !!!!!!!!!!
A face
21/03/2007, 2:41 PM
Not true. I know one of those player for certain had his registration form sent in 4 weeks before season started.
In any case, the transfer deadline, the deadline for all registration forms to be with the League was about 2 weeks before the season started, yet clubs were only told 2 days before kick off that there was a problem. The FAI have done an admirable job in trying to progress this since then, but definately cocked up in not recognising the problem sooner.
BTW, are you Fran Gavin? :o
The FAI feiced up and they know they did, obviously they wont admit it and the jury is still out as the whether or not it will happen again next year. Saying the administrators of our league are not at fault for this is ludicrous. Things will never improve otherwise.
At saying that at least they got in gear when doing something at the fan was no longer an option. I wondered did it effect Corks appeal though, who were a full week ahead of them in this. I suppose it would look bad if the FAI were shown up by a lowly domestic league club in sorting it out, quite word in the ear, job done, i mean err, not done.
Risteard
21/03/2007, 3:19 PM
Face, who are Cork?
Anyway, you're right.
Farrelly and Healy appear to have been thrown in with the other 8 even though FIFA have everything they require since Friday last.
A face
21/03/2007, 3:23 PM
Face, who are Cork?
No, that was just for the benefit of the people outside the republic .... in the other republic like ;)
I agree with comments about ignoring the rule. Does anyone think FIFA actually care what we do in the eL? Even Uefa don't care what we do with registrations.
Sure Rogers played with Dublin City whose results have been erased. What sense does that make?
:rolleyes:
Philly
21/03/2007, 5:38 PM
Perhaps the CLUBS should read the rulebook?
The FAI aren't meant to have to explain every rule to them like!!
Perhaps the CLUBS should read the rulebook?
The FAI aren't meant to have to explain every rule to them like!!
The FAI registered some of these players before they even realised the rule themselves...
Philly
21/03/2007, 6:08 PM
All I'm saying is that most people, and I'd imagine this goes for the people who run clubs, are not overly confident in the FAI's ability to do anything. Therefore why rely on them to let you know whether you are acting in the rules or not?
I'm saying this because I know for a fact that KCFC people knew of this rule and acted accordingly. All the blame can't always be hoofed at the FAI all the time.
Magicme
21/03/2007, 7:09 PM
Just got this press release
FAI delegation meets with FIFA regarding player status
An FAI delegation met with the head of FIFA’s Player Status Committee this morning in Zurich in relation to Article 5.3 of FIFA’s Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players.
The meeting was called in order to discuss the eligibility of ten eircom League of Ireland players currently affected by the rule, which states that no footballer can play for more than two clubs between July 1st and June 30th of the following year.
Present at the meeting on behalf of the FAI were Fran Gavin, Director of the eircom League of Ireland, Sarah O’Shea, legal advisor to the FAI, and Eoin Hand, Manager of Football Support Services.
The FAI delegation informed FIFA that the eircom League of Ireland was affected by Article 5.3 due to the playing season, which runs from March to November. FIFA said that they now recognise the issues surrounding Article 5.3. The governing body of world football advised the FAI to put a submission to the Player Status Department, who can bring it to the attention of the Executive Committee with a view towards resolving the issue on a permanent basis.
FIFA congratulated the FAI on their actions to date in relation to the eligibility of the ten players affected by the ruling. The FAI had requested clubs not to field the affected players until the situation is resolved, and FIFA stated that this had been the correct course of action.
With regards to the ten players currently affected by the rule, FIFA informed the FAI that no decision could be made before the middle of next week. However, following further submissions from the FAI delegation and given the urgent nature of the situation, they resolved to attempt to have some cases ruled on Friday, March 23rd.
Fran Gavin said: “We were very pleased with the meeting and hopefully FIFA will deal with some of the cases before Friday, with the others being ruled on by the middle of next week. Given the fact that it took twenty days for a ruling to be made on Javier Mascherano before his recent transfer to Liverpool F.C., we are grateful to FIFA for attempting to clear ten cases from our league in such a short period of time. The cases are now in the hands of a FIFA judge, Mr. Slim Aloulou from Tunisia. We are also satisfied that FIFA now understand the difficulties Article 5.3 throws-up for leagues operating over the summer months.”
Sniffer
21/03/2007, 7:15 PM
Bah, beat me to it:mad:
So the FAI have thrown a spanner into this rule. Bout time they did something wothwhile
Magicme
21/03/2007, 7:18 PM
Bah, beat me to it:mad:
:D :D
YankExile
21/03/2007, 9:20 PM
We are also satisfied that FIFA now understand the difficulties Article 5.3 throws-up for leagues operating over the summer months.”
I don't think Fifa really understand the issues involved, they will more likely treat these ten players as special cases like the Liverpool case. When they amend the rule to account for seasons that don't fit entirely from July to June so hearings and appeals like this aren't needed, then I will believe they understand.
Pablo Escobar
22/03/2007, 8:32 AM
Perhaps the CLUBS should read the rulebook?
The FAI aren't meant to have to explain every rule to them like!!
It's probably worth mentioning that these 'rules' are totally illegal!
Tir Oilean
22/03/2007, 8:42 AM
I agree with comments about ignoring the rule. Does anyone think FIFA actually care what we do in the eL? Even Uefa don't care what we do with registrations.
:rolleyes:
The only problem of ignoring the rule would be potential legal action yet again regarding ineligible players etc etc.... the last thing we want is more court battles!!
charliesboots
22/03/2007, 9:36 AM
The only problem of ignoring the rule would be potential legal action yet again regarding ineligible players etc etc.... the last thing we want is more court battles!!
The players right to earn a living would trump any sporting organisations rule in these circumstances.
Only a matter of time before somebody challenges the rule in the courts.
Schumi
22/03/2007, 10:52 AM
The only problem of ignoring the rule would be potential legal action yet again regarding ineligible players etc etc.... the last thing we want is more court battles!!Shels are in the first division now so the premier division teams will be able to avoid court cases.
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