Faith and Fatherland

[BohsPartisan]

Article from Indymedia.

Fighting for Faith and Fatherland in Fermanagh
Arch-Catholic, novelist, ally of Justin Barrett, former I.R.A. volunteer, and failed gun runner Gerry McGeough is standing in the Northern Ireland Assembly elections on a traditional republican platform in the Fermanagh/South Tyrone constituency.

This article (taken from the newswire) analyses the politics and ideology of Gerry McGeough, his Hibernian magazine and other conservative and right wing nationalists that identify themselves as republicans. It outlines the background of Gerry McGeough, his past involvement in the Provisional Irish Republican Army, his current activity as editor of the extreme right-wing The Hibernian and explores their ideas and interpretations of nationalism, republicanism, religion, mysticism, sex, immigration, Masonic conspiracy theories and secularism vs. theocracy. The article also provides some historical background on the right wing aspects that have featured in Irish republicanism.


The rest (http://www.indymedia.ie/article/81242)

What a nutter.

[pete]

Some great quotes in there.


“When a woman dresses even slightly provocatively, she becomes a tool of the devil, pulling many men with her towards Hell. Such a woman becomes the ‘bait’ of demons. For many men, to look at her may very well be an occasion of sin. They will be tempted away from their roles of self-control and self-discipline, enticed by this woman toward sensuality and carnality. This woman may think that she is beautiful, by the glances of approval she receives from men. She is thus drawn towards vanity and pride, and may become addicted to literally being the ‘object’ of attention. What she doesn’t see, however, is the disgust of the many guardian angels she unknowingly meets on her way, horrified by her ugliness in the sight of heaven.”

Too right. Those evil women. :D

That fella takes a swipe at almost every section of irish society even paramilitary priests wouldn't vote for him. :eek:

[eamo1]

of what he says.hes a born again christian who has left his violent past behind and who left sinn fein because even though they claim to be representing catholics they are pro abortion.im of the same opinion that this country is poorer for practically losing our irish language,our faith and our sense of civility.murders,suicides,drug use all up as Mass attendance and faith goes down-coincidence????????
its just your opinion that hes a nutter-my opinion is different however and so are many others.

[osarusan]

murders,suicides,drug use all up as Mass attendance and faith goes down-coincidence????????


Yes, coincidence.

You could compare it to rising disposable income in recent years, and the growing gap between rich and poor, or the growing exposure to foreign influences through the media, or any other number of factors.

[BohsPartisan]

murders,suicides,drug use all up as Mass attendance and faith goes down-coincidence????????



murders,suicides,drug use all up as the popularity of televised snooker decreases-coincidence?????????

[osarusan]

murders,suicides,drug use all up as the popularity of televised snooker decreases-coincidence?????????

The link between a lack of televised snooker and an increase in crime of all kinds has been well documented. BohsPartisan, you're making a fool of yourself.

[John83]

The link between a lack of televised snooker and an increase in crime of all kinds has been well documented. BohsPartisan, you're making a fool of yourself.
Studies in other countries have shown that this effect may be offset by alternative televisual opportunities to see grown men handling long polls... indeed, Venice's low crime rate has been long associated with its thriving pirate gay porn tv industry.

[Poor Student]

I've leafed through Hibernian at work and it's very weird stuff.

[pete]

im of the same opinion that this country is poorer for practically losing our irish language,our faith and our sense of civility.murders,suicides,drug use all up as Mass attendance and faith goes down-coincidence????????

If anything I would say more people speak irish than 30 years ago. Church attendance has been reduced due to increased education & sex abuse scandals. Drugs use might be up because its cheaper than alcohol. The again thats just some theories...

(btw can you punctuate your posts, its not Ulysses your writing)

[BohsPartisan]

Church attendance has been reduced due to increased education & sex abuse scandals.

Don't forget the role of the freemasons! :D

[Lionel Ritchie]

of what he says.hes a born again christian who has left his violent past behind and who left sinn fein because even though they claim to be representing catholics they are pro abortion.im of the same opinion that this country is poorer for practically losing our irish language,our faith and our sense of civility.murders,suicides,drug use all up as Mass attendance and faith goes down-coincidence????????
its just your opinion that hes a nutter-my opinion is different however and so are many others.

It's strange weather when I'm jumping to Sinn Feins defence.

I'd say they represent people who happen to be catholic rather than they "represent catholics" in the sense that Christian Solidarity and whatever Nora Bennis is trading as this week most certainly do "represent catholics" and a (extremeist) catholic viewpoint. They represent Republicans -or a particularly warped slant on Republicanism at any rate -that many of those Republicans happen to be RC is, in this context, beside the point.

By what logic do you think "our language, faith (yours btw -sure as sh1t not mine) and sense of civility" are inextricably intertwined?

What else has gone up as mass attendance has gone down?
Let's see ...criminal convictions of members of MANY orders for sexually assaulting children, criminal convictions of more for wicked physical and psychological abuse of children in their care. Much of which happened in this golden age you hark after when we all had a greater sense of civility ...or is that a greater sense of communal ability to turn a blind eye and brush dirt under the carpet.

[Jamjar]

of what he says.hes a born again christian who has left his violent past behind and who left sinn fein because even though they claim to be representing catholics they are pro abortion.im of the same opinion that this country is poorer for practically losing our irish language,our faith and our sense of civility.murders,suicides,drug use all up as Mass attendance and faith goes down-coincidence????????
its just your opinion that hes a nutter-my opinion is different however and so are many others.

I would have thought that Gerry McGeough, as a so called Republican would subscribe to the ideals of 1916 and the proclamation of Poblacht na hEireann....The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to ALL its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which has divided a minority from the majority in the past....

But this is the problem. A lot of people who claim to be Republican just want to replace British rule with their own form of totalitarianism. Treating people equally is not on their agenda.

[cheifo]

Anybody hear Adams address delegates as "Brothers and Sisters" at the
weekend.He's weird.

[BohsPartisan]

Anybody hear Adams address delegates as "Brothers and Sisters"

Did he go on to say "Pump up the volume"? :)

[cheifo]

Did he go on to say "Pump up the volume"? :)
:D
No, but he did go on to say "We dont need this facist groove thing".

[Paddy Ramone]

of what he says.hes a born again christian who has left his violent past behind and who left sinn fein because even though they claim to be representing catholics they are pro abortion.im of the same opinion that this country is poorer for practically losing our irish language,our faith and our sense of civility.murders,suicides,drug use all up as Mass attendance and faith goes down-coincidence????????
its just your opinion that hes a nutter-my opinion is different however and so are many others.

I totally agree with everything you've said. It's great to hear to hear the alternative view. There's no debate anymore since the left won the 'liberal crusade' and the right won the economic argument.

This country needs a new political party that is left wing on economic issues but conservative on moral issues like abortion, in fact the complete opposite to everything the Progressive Democrats and Independent Newspapers stand for.

[BohsPartisan]

This country needs a new political party that is left wing on economic issues but conservative on moral issues like abortion, in fact the complete opposite to everything the Progressive Democrats and Independent Newspapers stand for.
Who are you? Otto Strasser?

[Billsthoughts]

I totally agree with everything you've said. It's great to hear to hear the alternative view. There's no debate anymore since the left won the 'liberal crusade' and the right won the economic argument.

This country needs a new political party that is left wing on economic issues but conservative on moral issues like abortion, in fact the complete opposite to everything the Progressive Democrats and Independent Newspapers stand for.

Am not being flippant but I never understood why the abortion issue was such a major pillar of catholic thinking in this country? surely it is a relatively minor part of being a catholic? and is the party you describe above not just Fianna Fail?

[WeAreRovers]

I totally agree with everything you've said. It's great to hear to hear the alternative view. There's no debate anymore since the left won the 'liberal crusade' and the right won the economic argument.

This country needs a new political party that is left wing on economic issues but conservative on moral issues like abortion, in fact the complete opposite to everything the Progressive Democrats and Independent Newspapers stand for.

Like a sort of National Socialist party perchance? :rolleyes:

The 'liberal crusade' is far from being won when every year we have over 8,000 Irish women forced to go abroad for terminations. That's just one example.

KOH

[holidaysong]

I seen this guy was arrested yesterday in the car park of the count centre in Omagh in connection with the murder of a UDR member in 1981. Not only did he only get 814 first preference votes but then he gets arrested as he leaves the count... There is justice in the world.

[Lionel Ritchie]

I seen this guy was arrested yesterday in the car park of the count centre in Omagh in connection with the murder of a UDR member in 1981. Not only did he only get 814 first preference votes but then he gets arrested as he leaves the count... There is justice in the world.

I'm sure he'll come up with bail when he gets his deposit back.:p ...no wait!:D

[Lionel Ritchie]

....and is the party you describe above not just Fianna Fail?


Or the DUP?

[eamo1]

just to clear a few things up.i think what i actually meant to say was that the decrease in morals(not specifically Mass attendance of course) in this country is a massive contributing factor to the increase in murders,rapes etc.but wouldnt you all agree that 20/30 years ago when religious practice was alot more frequent by the majority of people that there were less muders,rapes.a murder barely makes the headline news anymore whereas 20 years ago it would have been talked about for days on end.people worship new Gods now sadly-money,alcohol,drugs,sex.
to the person who said abortion isnt central to the catholic faith,your right it isnt-but it is murder of an innocent human being(from a christian point of view).so thats why catholics defend it so much.the church doesnt spend alot of time on it its just thats all you hear about in the media.the media wont report on the 20,000 a day or so who attend the 9 day Novena in Galway each year(mostly young people by the way) but they will report on something like abortion because it involves conflict.
ill post more in responce to others when i have time.its a good debate though.

[Billsthoughts]

its a bit rich proporting to support the rights of an unborn child when the catholic church has done more than any organisation to abuse the rights of children actually born. I dont see catholics out protesting against their own church not paying their way in terms of reperations to children they systematically abused or the fact that to this day they still cover up any incidence of child abuse. now that might seem a cheap shot but its just fact.
your right about lack of morals in society but its questionalble whether a hypocritical church are the ones to guide us on these matters. they had their chance and they blew it. the quicker they fade into insignificance the better for us all.

[WeAreRovers]

eamo1 - Without getting into your genuinely held beliefs I think it's safe to say that Ireland is a much better place now than it was 20 or 30 years ago not to mention when our parents grew up. The lessening of the Church's grip is part of that improvement.

KOH

[Lionel Ritchie]

...but wouldnt you all agree that 20/30 years ago when religious practice was alot more frequent by the majority of people that there were less muders,rapes..

There were many instances in the troubles where people were murdered for being Protestant or Catholic by troglodyte scum who never even checked to discover if they were nationalist or unionist -as if that mattered a fcuk either.

There was far less reported rape 2 or 3 decades ago -not least because it wasn't even considered rape if it happened within marriage largely due to a church propagated myth that "we all have our crosses to bare".

The Catholic church and it's loo-lah head honcho didn't much help de-stigmatise rape either when it canonised a copycat of a misguided, terrified kid who opted for suicide by proxy rather than submit herself to a sexual assault.
To canonise one such young woman was just disturbing and disgusting ...canonising her copycat was despicable, depraved, unforgivable and I'm starting to think -fettishist.

[eamo1]

your obviously referring to st.Alexandria,a girl who rather then be subjected to another rape by her relatives she jumped from her bedroom window and suffered severe spinal injuries.she was bed ridden and went through such awful suffering but began praying alot and recieving Holy Communion,she then survived on just Holy Communion alone to prove its power(this she did for 3 years and all scienfic tests at the time proved this).get your facts right-get a book on the saints-and please please go to confession and save yourself.
so just to also point out that a thread was closed here a couple of years ago because of ppl "disscussing" the muslim faith,but it turned into a war of words and views from different ppl and was closed to stop the insults to the muslim faith.its sad,but not suprising,that this thread hasnt been closed despite the sheer depth of insulting remarks about my faith(which are just ppls views but which could be worded nicer).but then us catholics are use to getting a bashing from all types of media-join the club foot.ie.
to answer another comment,its not ALL priests who are child molestors either.a report found that out of 1500 child sex offenders 35 were priests,thats 3%.but this is the % that the media foucused on.so the 30% of teachers were ok and the 20% of doctors were fine too but 3% of priests meant that you were to never trust a priest again-bull.i know its 3% too many.dont paint everyone with the same brush.ill defend my religion to the death.this thread has gone grossly off topic too.i started defending this guy and it suddenly became an attack on the whole of the catholic faith.close this thread or get back on topic.

[osarusan]

to answer another comment,its not ALL priests who are child molestors either.a report found that out of 1500 child sex offenders 35 were priests,thats 3%.but this is the % that the media foucused on.so the 30% of teachers were ok and the 20% of doctors were fine too but 3% of priests meant that you were to never trust a priest again-bull.i know its 3% too many.

Can you please provide some sort of link to this report?





so the 30% of teachers were ok and the 20% of doctors were fine too.

Who said it was ok?

I do agree that the media focuses more on molestation by priests, but to be fair.....religious figures such as priests have, by their own definition, a role in leading others to spiritual enlightenment, and are supposed to be shining lights of honesty and compassion........thus any abuse of power by them is seen, justifiably I feel, while no greater a crime, as a greater hypocracy.

Also, truly shameful efforts to cover up these instances have not helped their cause, or your arguement.

[eamo1]

ill get the link to this report for you.ill email the Alive newspaper and ask them for it.thats where i seen it.
its the media that dont seem to warn parents about leaving kids with teachers,swim coaches,doctors etc but i remember reading articles about why you shouldnt leave them with priests and it never mentions other sections of society.
yes the church made mistakes with cover ups etc and i condem these.
to get back to the topic of this thread.i agree with this guys views on many subjects.ive already talked about the catholic faith.i strongly agree with his views on promoting irish and getting that back as our main language.its a beautifull language and deserves to be used alot more.the independent group led media however jam british and american crap down our throats so much that ireland is now turning ireland into mini versions of these countries and losing its own identity.

[Lionel Ritchie]

your obviously referring to st.Alexandria,a girl who rather then be subjected to another rape by her relatives she jumped from her bedroom window and suffered severe spinal injuries.
I'm obviously referring to no-one of that name but we can now add rendering yourself quadraplegic to the list that already includes suicide that the Catholic church holds up as healthier options for females in danger of enduring a sexual assault such is it's obsession with girls not doing durty tings.

I'm referring to Maria Goretti, who begged her would be rapist to kill her rather than take her virginity. He stabbed her.

I'm also referring to Teresa Bracco who begged a german soldier to shoot her rather than rape her. There's not a shred of evidence either way but it's as likely as not she was raped anyway.


get your facts right-get a book on the saints-and please please go to confession and save yourself..
Seen the guest-list. Not interested.
Besides the only soul I have is the best of Barry White.

[Lim till i die]

please please go to confession and save yourself.


Oh My God (Or is he your God?? :rolleyes: )

This is possibly the most horrific piece of condescencion I have ever read :eek:

Get a grip :eek:

[Lionel Ritchie]

Article from Indymedia.


The rest (http://www.indymedia.ie/article/81242)

What a nutter.

Wow. Just took the time to give that article a more thorough perusal. The man is an utter, utter tosser. Mercifully part of this countries fading past -though that doesn't mean I'd let my guard down for a second.
His manifesto is basically a facist hand-book ...."give 'em someone to blame -and someone to kiss it better"

[Paddy Ramone]

Am not being flippant but I never understood why the abortion issue was such a major pillar of catholic thinking in this country? surely it is a relatively minor part of being a catholic? and is the party you describe above not just Fianna Fail?

Yes the Fianna Fail party of 1927 but not the current Fianna Fail party. I think someone should reform my Old IRA maternal granduncle's party Clann na Poblachta.:)

[Paddy Ramone]

I'm obviously referring to no-one of that name but we can now add rendering yourself quadraplegic to the list that already includes suicide that the Catholic church holds up as healthier options for females in danger of enduring a sexual assault such is it's obsession with girls not doing durty tings.

I'm referring to Maria Goretti, who begged her would be rapist to kill her rather than take her virginity. He stabbed her.

I'm also referring to Teresa Bracco who begged a german soldier to shoot her rather than rape her. There's not a shred of evidence either way but it's as likely as not she was raped anyway.


Seen the guest-list. Not interested.
Besides the only soul I have is the best of Barry White.

So its ok to rape devout Catholics. If Maria Goretti and Teresa Bracco had been Lesbians they would have made heros by the radical feminist left.

[Lionel Ritchie]

So its ok to rape devout Catholics.
If that's a question ...use a question mark.



If Maria Goretti and Teresa Bracco had been Lesbians they would have made heros by the radical feminist left.

Perhaps. But you're engaged in whataboutery. I'd sooner see the catholic church, the radical feminist left and whatever-you're-having-yourself make saints, blesseds and heroes out of someone who resolved to survive a sexual assault, point a finger at the lily-livered rapist fcuk across a courtroom and see him sent down, taken out of circulation and named before the world.

It just strikes me as a better example to be holding up for kids -than girls who were so scared sh1tless of their own religion, it's ministers and dogmas that they choose death -not over the "sin" -which after all was not theirs -but over having to live with the stigma attached to it by their community.
Those girls were victims of their church as well as their rapist/murderers and the church has their blood on it's hands.

[osarusan]

It just strikes me as a better example to be holding up for kids -than girls who were so scared sh1tless of their own religion, it's ministers and dogmas that they choose death -not over the "sin" -which after all was not theirs -but over having to live with the stigma attached to it by their community.
Those girls were victims of their church as well as their rapist/murderers and the church has their blood on it's hands.

Absolutely right. The idea that a person would choose death over the "sin" of being raped points to an incomprehensible fear of the followed religion, or perhaps more accurately, those who dispense that religion in this world. To celebrate creation of such fear is disturbing indeed.