League Champions 2006?

[OneRedArmy]

It would appear that, subject to appeal, Shels financial situation has meant their invitation to the new super-duper Delaney-ship has been rescinded.

However, it seems that Shels predicament is based on financial issues that existed (& were widely known) prior to the 2007 season Licensing application & crucially, prior to the end of last season.

Therefore whatever made them non-compliant now, also made them non-compliant last season. The only difference being that they admitted to the scale of the problem publically.

So unless I am missing something, it is clear Shels should also also be stripped of the League title.

[Maynard]

Yeah. Put the players in the stocks outside the Brandywell while you're at it too.:rolleyes:

[The Man Himself]

derry should be handed the trophy and glen crow and the rest of the players should hand back the madels

[charliesboots]

It would appear that, subject to appeal, Shels financial situation has meant their invitation to the new super-duper Delaney-ship has been rescinded.

However, it seems that Shels predicament is based on financial issues that existed (& were widely known) prior to the 2007 season Licensing application & crucially, prior to the end of last season.

Therefore whatever made them non-compliant now, also made them non-compliant last season. The only difference being that they admitted to the scale of the problem publically.

So unless I am missing something, it is clear Shels should also also be stripped of the League title.

I'm going to reply to this here but I think it should be merged with the massive Shels thread.

Not necessarily. I have it from a reliable source that Shels had their license withdrawn due to irregularities with their application for a license last October.

The irregularity related to an assurance given to the First Instance Committee that monies owed to players would be repaid in accordance with an agreement made with the said players. These agreement has been defaulted on and as a result the First Instance Committee decided that Shels defaulted on an assurance given to the Committee on a crucial issue in the licensing process. It was this that led to the withdrawl of their Premier Division license and they were very close to having no license at all awarded.

[Réiteoir]

I'll leave this on it's own for the next 24 hours - as it's a seperate issue.

I'll merge it with the big thread tomorrow night

[higgins]

Yeah and we should have a 675 point deduction too and tht carries over from season to season until we work it off!

Can you not just be happy we we're ****ed out ????

You don't even know the reason yet for taking away the Premier License so hold your horses there.

[OneRedArmy]

Yeah. Put the players in the stocks outside the Brandywell while you're at it too.:rolleyes:Nice idea but its probably going a bit far, I`ll settle for Shels getting stripped of the League.

Intelligent response though, you covered all the points raised....

[Réiteoir]

My take on this issue anyway:

Nothing can be done with the actual title until the full findings are made known.

I have no problems in the interim with the FAI bumping up the European Qualification clubs for gaining of the UEFA Licences and such (eg Derry into the CL spot, Pats, etc.)

I think that the FAI could follow the Italian example iirc and not actually award ANYONE the title for 2006 if it pans out.

[OneRedArmy]

I'm going to reply to this here but I think it should be merged with the massive Shels thread.

Not necessarily. I have it from a reliable source that Shels had their license withdrawn due to irregularities with their application for a license last October.

The irregularity related to an assurance given to the First Instance Committee that monies owed to players would be repaid in accordance with an agreement made with the said players. These agreement has been defaulted on and as a result the First Instance Committee decided that Shels defaulted on an assurance given to the Committee on a crucial issue in the licensing process. It was this that led to the withdrawl of their Premier Division license and they were very close to having no license at all awarded.I understand wages & bonuses were outstanding going back over 2 seasons in some cases. It is a requirement that no wages are outstanding for a License, therefore Shels should not have had a 2006 License.

[Dr.Nightdub]

The irregularity related to an assurance given to the First Instance Committee that monies owed to players would be repaid in accordance with an agreement made with the said players. These agreement has been defaulted on and as a result the First Instance Committee decided that Shels defaulted on an assurance given to the Committee on a crucial issue in the licensing process. It was this that led to the withdrawl of their Premier Division license and they were very close to having no license at all awarded.

If that's true, it's just like the Rovers situation two years ago - your financial accounts may be straight out of Jackanory and they'll turn a blind eye, but trying to pull a fast one on the Holy and Most Sacred Committee is what actually gets you in trouble. :rolleyes:

[dcfcsteve]

Would feel extremely hollow for City to be awarded the league - despite Shelbourne's obvious ****y antics form last season.

No point being made Champions if you can't celebrate it. I'm not botredbout Shelbourne losing their title - I'm just 90% convinced I'd rather Derry not be awarded it instead.

[LeixlipRed]

And I thought Derry wanted to win it on the pitch? Strip it from us. You can't strip the memories of us winning it on the last day. We didn't celebrate when we knicked pats title and you wont celebrate knicking ours

[GavinZac]

And I thought Derry wanted to win it on the pitch? Strip it from us. You can't strip the memories of us winning it on the last day. We didn't celebrate when we knicked pats title and you wont celebrate knicking ours

thing is, pats were stripped of it for a clerical error. you'll be stripped of it for cheating and lying and spitting on the decency of the league in general.

[OneRedArmy]

And I thought Derry wanted to win it on the pitch? Strip it from us. You can't strip the memories of us winning it on the last day. We didn't celebrate when we knicked pats title and you wont celebrate knicking oursWouldn't be celebrating anything.

As stated above, in Italian-stylee, the League should be taken off Shels and not be awarded for last season.

You cheated your way to it (whilst amusingly accusing Derry of trying to win it off the pitch at the same time) and therefore don't deserve to be Champions.

Keep your memories, thats about all you'll have.

[Student Mullet]

To take the league off Shels, the FAI would have to admit a mistake.
It won't happen.

[TheBoss]

Shelbourne won the league for 2006, they were demoted on financial grounds and not footballing grounds, and also their license for the Premier Division was for the 2007 season, has nothing to do with the 2006 season.

[Student Mullet]

So who's the top team in Dublin?

[mypost]

Shels remain PD League Champions, while presumably Derry will take their CL spot, and Waterford will take their spot in the division this season.

[Réiteoir]

So who's the top team in Dublin?

Based on the finishing positions last season - St Pats.

Based on potential this season - St. Pats or Bohs

Based on the next 5 years - Bohs, Pats or Rovers

[Student Mullet]

Originally Posted by Student Mullet
So who's the top team in Dublin?Based on the finishing positions last season - St Pats.Let me just check that:


Team Pts
Shelbourne 62 *
Derry City 62
Drogheda United 58
Cork City 56
Sligo Rovers 40
UCD 38
St Patrick's Athletic 37
Longford Town 34
Bohemians 29
Bray Wanderers 17
Waterford United 12
*Expunged

[Dodge]

And I thought Derry wanted to win it on the pitch? Strip it from us. You can't strip the memories of us winning it on the last day. We didn't celebrate when we knicked pats title and you wont celebrate knicking ours

Maybe you didn't but the majority of Shels fans did. So **** you all....

[Hibs4Ever]

IMO Shels must be stripped of title, they cheated. Plain & simple.

Any club can go out and by loads of players they simply can't or never could afford.

Shels done it, thats cheating in my eyes

[David]

Would feel extremely hollow for City to be awarded the league - despite Shelbourne's obvious ****y antics form last season.

No point being made Champions if you can't celebrate it. I'm not botredbout Shelbourne losing their title - I'm just 90% convinced I'd rather Derry not be awarded it instead.

I can see where you are coming from on that one Steve, being awarded the title in such circumstances would be virtually meaningless in my opinion. I kn ow I would feel that way if it was my own club who won the title in this manner.

[daniel]

Just take it off them and dont have winners, as some one said we wanted to win it on the pitch!

Oh and about the top team in Dublin, going by last seasons league its UCD:D

[GavinZac]

Oh and about the top team in Dublin, going by last seasons league its UCD:D
what about drogheda :S

[Raheny Red]

Maybe you didn't but the majority of Shels fans did. So **** you all....

Where did you see this? On the last day of the season in Dalymount (think it was the Easter Sunday) I can honestly say there were **** all celebrating!

[derrymac]

I don't want us to be awarded the league if Shels ares tripped of it. We walked out of the Brandywell after beating Cork gutted that we hadn't won it on the pitch.
I don't care if Shels stay as champions or not. That is in the past. The new season starts next monday for some of us and here's to the future

[Celdrog]

what about drogheda :S
Was waiting for that :D
Sure we're from Meath now apparently.

Are we now the top team in the republic:rolleyes:

[Dodge]

Are we now the top team in the republic:rolleyes:

He hee he. If I was a Drogheda fan I'd put that on a banner for the next Derry or Shels game (Never know, might get them in the cup)

[geraldo1977]

I think calling for the players medals to be taken off them is a poor call. They were the ones who suffered most from the financial problems, they weren't getting paid on time!

Pat and all the players got on with it and in the end the best team, made up from Pats backroom staff to all the players. Management above that have now paid the price for there errors, including one ending up in hospital!

One major thing is standing out around all this, the licencing system is a farce and I feel for the Likes of Dundalk and Limerick.

[BohsPartisan]

Yeah I agree it would be a hollow victory for Derry and as long as Shels are not representing us in Europe, I don't care who won last years title.

[The Man Himself]

I think calling for the players medals to be taken off them is a poor call. They were the ones who suffered most from the financial problems, they weren't getting paid on time!

Pat and all the players got on with it and in the end the best team, made up from Pats backroom staff to all the players. Management above that have now paid the price for there errors, including one ending up in hospital!

One major thing is standing out around all this, the licencing system is a farce and I feel for the Likes of Dundalk and Limerick.

dont go blaiming the licencing system, its ollie byrnes fault on where you are today.
count your lucky stars that uefa wernt involved in handing down the punishment on this as they would have kicked you out of football altogether.

look on the bright side" at least you will get a few trips to kilkenny, limerick, monagahan, finn harps, cobh ramblers, wexford, dundalk, kildare,:D :D

[Schumi]

I think that the FAI could follow the Italian example iirc and not actually award ANYONE the title for 2006 if it pans out.Inter were awarded the 2005/6 Serie A title after Juventus and Milan were relegated and deducted points.

[Bluebeard]

I don't want us to be awarded the league if Shels ares tripped of it. We walked out of the Brandywell after beating Cork gutted that we hadn't won it on the pitch.

Seeing as no-one else seems to want it, can I have it. I'll clear a bit of space on my desk at work. I cannot wait until people ask me what it is, and I can tell them that I am the Eircom League Champion for 2006.

[pete]

If Shels cannot get a Premier licence they cannot get a Uefa licence.

The FAI may need to strip Shels of the title to allow them nominate Derry City for the CL place.

[Mr_Parker]

I don't know the eircom League rules but if similar was to happen in the Irish League no retrospective action can be taken after a certain date. i.e. Our league finishes about the last week of April, with the official end of a season being 31st May. Once the 31st May passes and say an irregularity was found after it would be to late to challenge. Is there anything similar in the eircom or FAI rules?

[Schumi]

Is there anything similar in the eircom or FAI rules?Honestly, I doubt anyone knows. The rules seem to be made as we go along (or as Ollie requires).

[Mr_Parker]

Honestly, I doubt anyone knows. The rules seem to be made as we go along

Don't feel you are unique on that score! I could give you plenty of examples of that up here too.

[Krstic]

I think if the Cheats don't get to keep their title then give it to Bluebeard for his desk.

I don't know any Derry fan who would want Ollies Soiled title.

[derm]

If Shels were stripped of their title would that not also necessitate them paying back the prize money?
Large can of worms that I can't see the FAI wanting to open ...

[lofty9]

If Shels were stripped of their title would that not also necessitate them paying back the prize money?
Large can of worms that I can't see the FAI wanting to open ...

A few words come to mind:

Knickers, bare, and arse.

[Tenderloins]

Who can actually strip them of the title?
The Old League that they won in effect Doesn't exist anymore.

[monkey magic]

uefa.com are reporting that derry city will "most likely" take their place in the cl... makes no mention of shels being allowed to partake in it... seems to indicate derry will at least get the biggest benefit of winning the league... i.e a crack at the cl

[TheBoss]

Inter were awarded the 2005/6 Serie A title after Juventus and Milan were relegated and deducted points.

Juve and Milan were deducted points from last season aswell, Juve were deducted all of their points last season, therefore, putting them in a relegation position, Milan were docked points also, leaving Inter at the top of the table.

[DannyInvincible]

Shelbourne won the league for 2006, they were demoted on financial grounds and not footballing grounds, and also their license for the Premier Division was for the 2007 season, has nothing to do with the 2006 season.

So does this mean that they remain to be punished or is it that their off-the-field abuses were entirely permissable under the 2006 rules?

[DannyInvincible]

Is anyone aware of the relevent rules? I'd find it shocking if the antics of Ollie Byrne were legitimate under the 2006 season's rules.

[Schumi]

Juve and Milan were deducted points from last season as wellSorry I didn't word that too well, I meant Juve relegated and Milan deducted points last year.

[TheBoss]

Yes, how else could have Inter won the title, and why did 3rd bottom end up staying in Serie A.

[stevieontour]

Shelbourne won the title with a License last yr.

They were champions, end of story.

Should we go back in history and look at the books of ever league Championship teams as far as possible and start redistributing medals?

They do not have a Premier License this year, so they play 1st Division football.

If their current license does not meet UEFA standards then someone would replace them. The Champions League representative is put forward by the league. They have full powers to put another team into that competition.

[kdjaC]

Shelbourne won the title with a License last yr.



They also had a licence up until last night for this seasons league, does that not make you wonder what went on in the last 5 seasons?

People forget unless derry won the league by 4 points last season we would probably be still in court now and some players would not have been paid even longer as the court case would ahve cost a few.


kdjac