Shamrock Rovers Tallaght

[WeAreRovers]

hope all goes well for rovers today but is anyone prepared to give a brief synopisis of why thomas davis are insisting on sharing the ground with rovers.

please refrain from terms such as bigots, vile organisation...etc in answer. non-partisan reply if possible!

my take is:
offical line: that because it is financed by the county council that they feel it should be a municipal stadium, which incopropates gaelic games.
reality: GAA are freightened that youngsters in the area will choose soccer over gaelic football


How many times does it have to be said - it is down to pure bigotry and fear. I've read TD's submission so I think I can answer better than those who haven't.

The legal part of TD's case is that the SDCC had no right to change their mind about the use of the stadium but the submission goes on and on about the GAA's place in the community being hindered by this and how subsequently the youth of Tallaght are being denied their natural rights. (Despite the fact that SDCC are more than willing to allow under-age GAA games in Tallaght.)

KOH

[BohDiddley]

huh???

explain
We keep being told that we mustn't mention the B-word. That doesn't make sense, when there is plenty of evidence, historically and in the present, that actions like this are likely to be motivated by bigotry.

[CharlesThompson]

We keep being told that we mustn't mention the B-word. That doesn't make sense, when there is plenty of evidence, historically and in the present, that actions like this are likely to be motivated by bigotry.

Do I win a prize? :D

[gspain]

The gist of their argument is that public money should not be given to a football club's ground without the ground being available for GAA too. In reality they just want to delay and kill the project and hope Rovers go to the wall.

As we all know the GAA who have trousered hundreds of millions of public money make all their grounds freely available to other sports. Then again they are also not inhabited by vile sectarian bigots.

Good luck Rovers.

[BohDiddley]

Do I win a prize? :D
Yes, you do, as such.

[paudie]

The legal part of TD's case is that the SDCC had no right to change their mind about the use of the stadium but the submission goes on and on about the GAA's place in the community being hindered by this and how subsequently the youth of Tallaght are being denied their natural rights.
KOH

When the SDCC change their mind?

Surely they just took over the ownership of a half built soccer stadium and decided to finish it:confused:

[WeAreRovers]

From our MB as posted by birthday boy EFFC, might help explain -

http://www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=32965#post32965

the eamon fagan fanclub - "The council for TD put forward that they felt they had "reasonable" grounds for a judicial review on the following basis:

that SDCC had voted to change the use of the stadium to include the playing of GAA . Then the SDCC was informed by the office of the Minister that on the basis that such a change would involve not only the changing of the diameters of the playing pitch but also the destruction of the existing stand to cater for a larger pitch, the Minister was of the view that would not make sense and thus he was informing the SDCC that if they intended to proceed on the basis of extending the pitch etc then he would not sanction the funds. Thus the SDCC held another vote based on the letter from the Minister and voted to revert back to the original proposal ie a municipal stadium with Rovers as the anchor tenant.

It was when asked by the judge agreed by our and the SDCC council that the above was the substantial issue in question and it is on the above that the judge... not on the TD guff etc about culture etc....

I know I'm not objective but IMO the judge would be going down a very illogical road were he to decide that TD are entitled to a JD.... all the SDCC did was hold a vote, then receive a clear reason from the Minister that funds for very good reasons wouldnbe withheld and thus based on that fact the SDCC held another vote as is their entitlement and decided to revert back to their original position... ie they dealt with this in a democratic and fair manner

so I'm very optomistic."

KOH

[galwayhoop]

is there an expected outcome today

[hoopy]

Court adjourned until Tuesday

[BohsPartisan]

As we all know the GAA who have trousered hundreds of millions of public money

Or thonged maybe?

Its like the GAA is a poledancer and the taxpayer is a punter thats been hustled into a dodgy strip joint in Amsterdam. There's a big bouncer making us put Euro's into the dancer's smalls but the dance isn't very alluring at all.

[khoop]

Saying that the GAA are "bigots" and referring to them as a "vile organization" is as pathetic as saying everybody who calls the GAA "bigots" is a "bigot"

Listen - I don't need a lecture on the language and terminology I should or shouldn't use. As long as the GAA continue to try to grab the Tallaght Stadium - without so much as having a clear idea as to what they would actually use it for - then the only conclusion is that the BIGOTS want to keep soccer down as much as possible in Tallaght.

Once the courts tell them where to go - they become a complete irrelevance, so you won't have to worry about my GAA terminology in future.

Bizarre how some people - who's club's very existence is far from being threatened by such wanton bigotry - want to divert the debate to something so trivial as the terminolgy used on forums.

[HulaHoop]

It's obviously hard for some people here (Erstwhile Bóz) and those who also play and support GAA as well as football to accept that some members of the GAA are bigots and the anti football mentality still runs throughout the GAA hierarchy. It may be hard to accept but that doesn't make it untrue. Facts are facts, Thomas Davis with the backing of GAA president Nicky Brennan are engaged in a bigoted campaign against Shamrock Rovers getting to Tallaght. That is the one and only explanation as to why the issue was heard in the High court today.

[new blue]

Don't agree with Tallaght takeover bid.
Calling other people bigots shows a comparable level of ignorance as those we are alluding to and an incomprehensible lack of cop-on - no need to ape the antics of your supporters.

[Billy Lord]

David Kennedy, the main man in Thomas Davis, is on record as saying that in a battle between Shamrock Rovers and the GAA 'the GAA will be the last man standing'. The fact that they have the unamimous backing of the Dublin county board says it all. They hate football and have no faith in their own games and demand preferential treatment in order to protect dying sports.
Bigots create bigotry. An inferiority complex merely adds to the mix.
Without prejudice I'd supported the GAA for three decades but, as a Shamrock Rovers fan first of all, I cannot support an organisation that is deliberately trying to kill the club I love. It's goodbye to the Hill (and Parnell Park) for me.
No loss when the Dubs are playing an All-Ireand semi but a different story when the hurlers (there's a great game that they're killing because they don't know what to do with it) are playing in front of a man and a dog. What are the GAA doing to promote handball? Another great game they've destroyed at the expense of the worst gaelic game of all, gaelic football.
My eyes have been opened by this experience. I now despise the GAA and see their bigoted bogeymen as the sporting neo-facists that they clearly are. Culture me arus. There's one game of football worth talking about and it ain't yours.

[Louth4sam]

I'm a Gaelic fan but im 100% behind rovers on this one. What Thomas Davis are doing is wrong and shame on the Dublin board for backing them. But not everyone in the GAA are bigots or anti soccer. I understand where the rovers fans are coming from and would feel the same if someone was trying to destroy my club.

[stickyjoe]

I am 100% behind Rovers on this and certainly don`t know the ins and outs of what has gone on behind closed doors but is anyone surprised that the GAA are trying to get in on the act?

FFS the stadium has been sitting out there in disarray for years and has been an embarrassment to football, Rovers and the FAI, does anyone think the GAA would of taking that long to build a half stadium like that?

Typical of football in this country, just look at the joke that is dalymount and tolka will be gone altogether in the next year or so. Again would the GAA let their grounds run into a state like that....no.

[gspain]

I'm a Gaelic fan but im 100% behind rovers on this one. What Thomas Davis are doing is wrong and shame on the Dublin board for backing them. But not everyone in the GAA are bigots or anti soccer. I understand where the rovers fans are coming from and would feel the same if someone was trying to destroy my club.

Of course not all of the GAA are bigots. However the GAA are the only sporting organisation that have a significant minority of bigots that they allow to spout their nonsense.

However Rovers fans who have no exposure to the GAA other than these lunatics in TD would naturally assume that the whole organisation is full of bigots.

[khoop]

Of course not all of the GAA are bigots. However the GAA are the only sporting organisation that have a significant minority of bigots that they allow to spout their nonsense

This goes all the way to the top of the GAA. They support the move on Tallaght - and laughably claim that "opening up" Croke park for a couple of years should give them the right to play in Tallaght forever - having first torn down what's there and then re-building a GAA stadium.

What planet do these BIGOTS live on?????

They really think that the GAA is above the law. Fact.

[stojkovic]

The Govt. should just take Croke Pk off them and fcuk them all out of Dublin in classic 70's South American manner. Give the cnuts something to whinge about. They live in the 70s anyway, the fcuking 1870's.

Great stadium but a shower of cnuts.

[new blue]

You're a credit to your sport. Is your middle name 'ultra' by any chance?

[galwayhoop]

The Govt. should just take Croke Pk off them and fcuk them all out of Dublin in classic 70's South American manner. Give the cnuts something to whinge about. They live in the 70s anyway, the fcuking 1870's.

Great stadium but a shower of cnuts.

whatever about the TD & SRFC situation and peoples views on it (and i support rovers) your above post shows your IQ to be less than your age and i would think you would have to be in your early teens with a post like that!

the GAA have an amature sport but it is run by professionals. there are quality grounds in every one of the 32 counties in this island with the jewel in the crown being croke park.

the FAI is a TOTALLY amature organisation running a professional sport. there is no stadium throughout the country owned by any soccer club or organisation with a capacity greater than san marino or even half the population of san marino. that is despite soccer being the highest participation sport in the country. soccer have had to go cap in hand to use the rugby ground for 30 years and now has to go on bended knee to the GAA.

before you critise other sporting organisations in this country just look at the morons who run soccer in this country. and that includes local, national and international soccer!

fair enough the GAA have received government funding for these stadiums but if you think that the majority of monies spent came from the govt. then you are deluded. the GAA is without equal on this island when it comes to raising funds and providing facilities to players and supporters alike.

rant over..... best of luck rovers on tuesday

[Buller]

Thanks for the support lads! The rest of the court case will be herd on tuesday and hopefully the judge will make the right decision...
This is essentially football verses bigotry orientated nonsense, lets hope football wins... :o

[wws]

the GAA is without equal on this island when it comes to raising funds and providing facilities to players and supporters alike.


that is totally untrue
and the GPA are doing their bit to drag the the GAA'S stance on the welfare of its players into the modern era

[stojkovic]

.. fair enough the GAA have received government funding for these stadiums but if you think that the majority of monies spent came from the govt. then you are deluded.

110 million PUNTS is no delusion my friend.

I also happen to have first hand experience of the workings of the GAA and local council with my own schoolboy 'soccer' club regarding the construction of facilities. Unfortunately I cannot divulge names or details at the moment as the legalities are at a crucial stage but I will gladly do so in the future (hopefully 3/4 weeks). The corruption and coercion between the GAA club, local residents, local businessmen through local council level will shock you. Luckily An Bord Pleanalla and the lotto treated us right.

I used to be open minded but I have become cynical by our plight. We have been awarded lotto funds and planning permission over three years ago but we have still not laid a brick. We were forced to turn a bit 'Goodfellas' if you know what I mean and play them at their own game.

Believe me when I say that you will be reading about this in the papers in the months to come, especially with the forthcoming election.

[Philly]

Sports Minister spoke out against the GAAs actions in Tallaght yesterday. Fair play.

[BohDiddley]

110 million PUNTS is no delusion my friend.

I also happen to have first hand experience of the workings of the GAA and local council with my own schoolboy 'soccer' club regarding the construction of facilities. Unfortunately I cannot divulge names or details at the moment as the legalities are at a crucial stage but I will gladly do so in the future (hopefully 3/4 weeks). The corruption and coercion between the GAA club, local residents, local businessmen through local council level will shock you. Luckily An Bord Pleanalla and the lotto treated us right.

I used to be open minded but I have become cynical by our plight. We have been awarded lotto funds and planning permission over three years ago but we have still not laid a brick. We were forced to turn a bit 'Goodfellas' if you know what I mean and play them at their own game.

Believe me when I say that you will be reading about this in the papers in the months to come, especially with the forthcoming election.
According to the Minister, the figure is €114m (http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1795875&issue_id=15386). The GAA have been trying to deflect attention from this by splitting hairs over the fact that most of it came from lottery funds, rather than from the exchequer. But they do not seem to be disputing the fact that €114m of public money has been lavished on them. Have to say, John O'Donoghue has gone up in my estimation in this affair. It takes a brave Kerryman to confront the GAA.
NB Edit:
John O'Donoghue has gone up in my estimation in this affair.
But not enough to make up for trying to shaft Bohs on Dalymount!

[Erstwhile Bóz]

It's obviously hard for some people here (Erstwhile Bóz) and those who also play and support GAA as well as football to accept that some members of the GAA are bigots and the anti football mentality still runs throughout the GAA hierarchy. It may be hard to accept but that doesn't make it untrue.
If that's the justification for the terminology then sure look at the football side: the majority of football fans love other sports but there's a minority amongst us that despise anything got to do with the GAA, to heroic levels of hysterical paranoia, and there is an anti-GAA mentality in the official FAI hierarchy. It certainly goes both ways. Does that mean, though, that "bigotry" is a useful or proper word to describe the petty "North Stand/Hill 16" crap on the tickets or the "stick your GAA up your arse" song on the plane years ago? Would incidents like that, going by the above standards, not entitle GAA people to refer to the FAI/football people as "BIGOTS"?

The friction and bitterness from both sides is undeniable, but the term "bigot" is itself extremely divisive with heavy historical connotations; it's very unedifying to see that it has become fashionable shorthand for GAA people amongst football fans, with those connotations deliberately invoked.

Rovers are in the right (and it's unfortunate that you're now at the mercy of judges and lawyers) but when you're throwing the virulent anti-GAA stuff about, mouths foaming, it makes you look as bad as you're screaming that they all are.

[Da Real Rover]

Support shams all the way and hope that we get the first game with them, like the last game at Milltown.

[Magicme]

I cant say how you can say that there is bigotry towards the GAA from the FAI hierarchy when just 2 weeks ago Packie Bonner, John Delayney & a slew of other top FAI told Monaghan County Council meeting that it is very important for kids in particular to play both codes and that they should be working together to give the kids the best chance at sports. Packie says he wouldnt have been half the footballer he was if he hadnt played GAA too.

If anything the FAI are too sympathetic to the GAA, some of whom are trying to block Monaghan getting a Development Officer.


C'mon the Rovers.

[osarusan]

If that's the justification for the terminology then sure look at the football side: the majority of football fans love other sports but there's a minority amongst us that despise anything got to do with the GAA, to heroic levels of hysterical paranoia, and there is an anti-GAA mentality in the official FAI hierarchy. It certainly goes both ways. Does that mean, though, that "bigotry" is a useful or proper word to describe the petty "North Stand/Hill 16" crap on the tickets or the "stick your GAA up your arse" song on the plane years ago? Would incidents like that, going by the above standards, not entitle GAA people to refer to the FAI/football people as "BIGOTS"?


Very good question...........I'll add the use of the word "Bogball" to the mix.

Doesnt the use of these terms constitute the same kind of behaviour, which is termed bigotry here, as we accuse of the GAA?

[hoops1]

If anything the FAI are too sympathetic to the GAA, some of whom are trying to block Monaghan getting a Development Officer.

Tell me more!

[Magicme]

ok maybe "block" is a strong word, but lets say some arent as receptive to the idea as others coz the GAA wont be getting the same support from the council. Did the GAA approach the council for a development officer..........eh no....so what the feck is the whingin about!

[khoop]

but when you're throwing the virulent anti-GAA stuff about, mouths foaming, it makes you look as bad as you're screaming that they all are

BIGOTED is an entirely correct description of what Thomas Davis are trying on in Tallaght.

It's a word... it's in the dictionary... and it's 100 per cent spot on.

You might prefer a more harmless description such as "not very nice" or whatever - but that wouldn't be accurate.

Are there any other standard words you would like to outlaw while you're at it?

[Buller]

BIGOTED is an entirely correct description of what Thomas Davis are trying on in Tallaght.

It's a word... it's in the dictionary... and it's 100 per cent spot on.

You might prefer a more harmless description such as "not very nice" or whatever - but that wouldn't be accurate.

Are there any other standard words you would like to outlaw while you're at it?

Okay here's the deal; Would all gaa sympathisers please use your browsers "find and replace" word tool to replace every harsh "BIGOTED" word with either "a bit mean" or "not very nice"

That should sensor yourself against everything so....

[new blue]

We demean ourselves by demeaning others - it's as simple as that - and the funny thing is it's totally unnecessary - no need for an inferiority complex

[Scram]

Okay here's the deal; Would all gaa sympathisers please use your browsers "find and replace" word tool to replace every harsh "BIGOTED" word with either "a bit mean" or "not very nice"

That should sensor yourself against everything so.... "Censor"

I'm a GAA supporter. There is a certain amount of hypocrisy in soccer supporters not seeing merit in the argument that the Tallaght Stadium is being financed with public money and so should be open to the GAA etc. when the same argument was presented by soccer fans in arguments as to why Croke Park should be opened up to soccer.

However, Thomas Davis need to back off in this case, they have a perfectly good ground in Kiltipper and are only causing bad blood and divisions. There is enough money in the big GAA clubs in Tallaght and in the GAA to fund a GAA stadium in Tallaght if needs be, but it is probably not needed.

I see no problem with Rovers agreeing to let "big" senior games being played in the stadium when vacant, assuming Davis etc. pay the rental for the stadium, if they are big enough to need a stadium, they should get enough money on the gates to cover the rental.

Rovers need Tallaght Stadium and Tallaght need Rovers, this stadium will be great for Tallaght, Rovers and for Eircom League. Get on with it.

[Schumi]

I see no problem with Rovers agreeing to let "big" senior games being played in the stadium when vacant, assuming Davis etc. pay the rental for the stadium, if they are big enough to need a stadium, they should get enough money on the gates to cover the rental.You've completely missed the point of this. To extend the pitch to GAA size, the current stand would have to be demolished and the final capacity slashed.

[khoop]

There is a certain amount of hypocrisy in soccer supporters not seeing merit in the argument that the Tallaght Stadium is being financed with public money and so should be open to the GAA etc.

Public money is spent on many projects - without a guarantee that everybody who wants to be included, can actually be included. Swings and roundabouts.

So Thomas Davis want the stadium open to everyone.

Okay then - let's have an athletics track.

Oh, sorry - not possible. A GAA pitch doesn't fit inside an athletics track.

Alright then - let's have a hockey pitch.

Oh dear, not possible. Way too small compared to the size of a GAA pitch. Would look farcical.

But surely a cricket pitch must be possible. With the World Cup and all that.

Damn. Not possible either. Wrong shape.

Hmmm.....

Maybe it isn't about "everyone" after all.

Maybe it's just about the GAA.

What a surprise.

[Erstwhile Bóz]

I cant say how you can say that there is bigotry towards the GAA from the FAI hierarchy when just 2 weeks ago Packie Bonner, John Delayney & a slew of other top FAI told Monaghan County Council meeting that it is very important for kids in particular to play both codes and that they should be working together to give the kids the best chance at sports. Packie says he wouldnt have been half the footballer he was if he hadnt played GAA too.

If anything the FAI are too sympathetic to the GAA, some of whom are trying to block Monaghan getting a Development Officer.

Packie does great work for the kids and loves his GAA. He used be always in and out of the Department of the Gaeltacht meeting the Minister to discuss the Summer Camp Scheme as the FAI's representative — along with … drumroll … the GAA :eek: .

My point, in answer to HulaHoops who said that the existence of a minority of extremely anti-FAI people in the GAA was a part of the reason he felt entitled to call the organization "bigoted" despite recognizing the majority to be bang-on and all-sporty, was that there is a corresponding section within the FAI who despise and bitterly resent the GAA. I didn't really think that that was seriously up for debate.

It might sound like whataboutery, but I'm not excusing either and think both sets of haters, fans and officials alike, are pathetic. I wouldn't stand for any "GAA sympathizer" (love it :D) referring to the FAI as a "pack of bigots" either.

[HulaHoop]

Erstwhile Bóz of course there is an element within the FAI that despise the GAA but IMO this is due to the fact that in the not so distant past many of them were treated like second class citizens by GAA people because they chose soccer over GAA.

The FAI have never taken a judicial review case to the High Court to prevent public money being spent on a GAA ground, neither have the IRFU or the national athletics body or any other sporting organisation. So why the GAA?

What do you believe Thomas Davis' motivation is in taking this case? It wouldn't be because their head man David Kennedy is bigoted against soccer would it?

[Buller]

I'm a GAA supporter. There is a certain amount of hypocrisy in soccer supporters not seeing merit in the argument that the Tallaght Stadium is being financed with public money and so should be open to the GAA etc. when the same argument was presented by soccer fans in arguments as to why Croke Park should be opened up to soccer.

Croke Park didn't need a stand demolished and its capacity more than halfed to accomodate "soccer" now did it?!

I'm not being hypocritical, I've been following this scandel for many years now.
Their motives are to delay the stadium as much as possible, in the hope that shamrock rovers will go bust, because they are clearly scared of quote: "tallaght being restricted to a diet of association football"

[Erstwhile Bóz]

The FAI have never taken a judicial review case to the High Court to prevent public money being spent on a GAA ground, neither have the IRFU or the national atlethics body or any other sporting organisation. So why the GAA?

What do you believe Thomas Davis' motivation is in taking this case? It wouldn't be because their head man David Kennedy is bigoted towards soccer would it?
I don't think that the committee that recommended the expansion of the municipal stadium to accommodate GAA were acting out of "bigotry" towards soccer and I don't think that the council's vote to accept the recommendation was a "bigoted" one. I don't think the Minister's decision to stick by his guns was "bigotry" the other way either.

I think there's probably a lot of people in Thomas Davis and the other clubs out West who honestly think they were wronged over that. I think that the Minister's decision to stick by his original funding terms despite the new plans stung them, and importantly it all came at a really awkward time regarding the issue of access to other codes' grounds.

I think it just got out of hand, it has been turned into this stupid fecking Clash of Civilizations (by both sides), and the GAA are being saps about backing down because a) they still have an outside shot of getting in on this free municipal stadium in a brilliant location and b) they think there's similarities with the Croke Park deal.

As regards the FAI never having taken similar action, that's probably true. But I don't think a similar situation has ever applied to the FAI.

I hope they sort it soon, anyway, because that fecking stand depresses the life out of me.

[Buller]

the GAA are being saps about backing down because a) they still have an outside shot of getting in on this free municipal stadium in a brilliant location and b) they think there's similarities with the Croke Park deal.


How many times must I say this...
They know at this stage there is zero chance of them getting "this free municipal stadium in a brilliant location" because even if they succeed in obtaining a judicial review and overturn the county councel's decision, which would take years and years, funding would be withdrawn for the stadium as it would be too costly to demolish the existing stand to create a stadium half the intended capacity. *deep breath*
They are in it to delay and prevent the stadium from being built - Fact.

[Billy Lord]

How about David Kennedy's statement that in a 'battle between the GAA and Shamrock Rovers' (his words), the GAA will be 'the last man standing' (again, his words)?
The GAA have a rule that bans the playing of what they insultingly call 'foreign' sports on their playing fields. I can't think of any other sporting body on the planet that operates in such an openly apartheid fashion.
Of course the GAA is not a bigoted organisation.:rolleyes:

[hoopy]

I can't think of any other sporting body on the planet that operates in such an openly apartheid fashion.


And who gets massive amounts of government funded money to do so

[Buller]

And who gets massive amounts of government funded money to do so

And who denies ever getting this money from the government....

[Erstwhile Bóz]

How about David Kennedy's statement that in a 'battle between the GAA and Shamrock Rovers' (his words), the GAA will be 'the last man standing' (again, his words)?

He sounds like a dick, never mind whatever context he was speaking in or whoever he was trying to rile or fire up. Those are certainly the words of a dick. He must be one of those anti-FAI people that everybody knows exist in the GAA.

[galwayhoop]

According to the Minister, the figure is €114m (http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1795875&issue_id=15386). The GAA have been trying to deflect attention from this by splitting hairs over the fact that most of it came from lottery funds, rather than from the exchequer. But they do not seem to be disputing the fact that €114m of public money has been lavished on them. Have to say, John O'Donoghue has gone up in my estimation in this affair. It takes a brave Kerryman to confront the GAA.
NB Edit:
But not enough to make up for trying to shaft Bohs on Dalymount!

was to €114m for croke parke alone?
how much was the overall cost of building the ground? more than €114m i would think
did the GAA put forward other funds they earned themselves? yes
are the gov. making any funds available for landsdowne? yes
what percentage?
is it right that the gov./national lottery provides funds in relation to sporting developments? yes
should these sporting bodies put up some of the costs themselves to match what they get in grants/aid? yes
have people involved in soccer up till now proved themselves totally incompetitent in providing stadiums for the sport in this country? yes
are a lot of the people on this forum who liberally use the term bigot showing themselves to have this trait themselves? yes
who's fault is it that the tallaght stadium had to be bailed out by the local council in the first place????

have the people involved in soccer on this island shown themselves unable to raise funds to build staduims or even more importantly unable to lobby government officals to support their problems? yes
are the politicans also bigoted for supporting the GAA projects throughout the country?
is everyone in the country a bigot apart from those who support eL teams?

[wws]

check out tom humphries article on it today - irish times

complete one sided nonsense
they scream self righteous indignation when labeled bigots yet when their propagandists and allies in the press come out with the like of his bile and blatant twisting of the tale to suit their own agenda they reveal themselves as the out dated sporting nazis they are.


for a further classic of this genre read the Ulster County board members "my two cents" piece in the Sunday Tribune a few weeks back before the ireland england rugby game -talk about stuck in the 1880's.

I really hope the judge throws their 'case' out but I fear that the old guard of this bannana republic will stick together on this one

[Erstwhile Bóz]

check out tom humphries article on it today - irish times

complete one sided nonsense

Aye. I had to put on Mise Éire in the background when I was reading it. :D

He makes a weird little comment towards the end, though, about Lansdowne:


The whispers are, though, that when the planning people get back this week the news will be that the stadium's proposed capacity will be whittled and the IRFU, a little surprised perhaps at the sweetheart of a deal the FAI were handed in the redevelopment master plan, will opt to cash in their chips in D4 and build elsewhere on their own steam (with, one hopes, appropriate Lotto funding to help). The Irish Glass Bottle Company in Ringsend would be the perfect site.

And so Irish professional soccer, a commercial enterprise which retails a genuinely beautiful game, but is domestically incapable of running its own business, will be homeless again.

:confused: Anybody heard anything about that?